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curdog4570,

BEFORE "sneering" at ANY member of this forum, I suggest that you go CAREFULLY read what was actually said/asked & answered.
IF you do that, you will LOOK smarter & less SILLY, ignorant and/or moronic. = READING COMPREHENSION is a GOOD thing.
(The member who asked me about "grass" was specifically asking about WT deer eating "coastal Bermuda" grass. Neither of us were talking about "wild rye", "wild oats", trees/bushes, commercial livestock feed or ANY other sort of possible deer rations, EXCEPT "coastal Bermuda grass"..)

Therefore, your post # 13502186 has been carefully considered & DISCOUNTED to its actual value to persons of "reasonably normal IQ" & at least a minimum of actual education. = ZERO, NADA, ZILCH & of NO VALUE whatever.
(Before calling ANYBODY an "idiot", go look in any convenient mirror.)

just my opinion, tex

It's much better than it was when the entire first herd they put at Black gap got eaten.

I saw that TPWD estimates 1200 or so. Not too sure about that number though.

Are you SURE you're not Lee24?

ingwe,

I have no idea who "Lee24" is/was/might be. - Who is that & why should I care??

Are you "Paddler", using another of his many "identities" & "personalities"?? = You seem to repeatedly ask the same sort of SILLY & needless questions, that "Paddler, the leftist troll" does & which accomplish nothing whatever.

Btw, about Midnight last night, my time, I talked by phone to Darla (who is CA right now & taking care of her kid sister, who is in the hospital & "not doing very well"). == As is usual for her, she's been reading this forum (while Valarie was sleeping) & said to me, "Honey, why on earth are you arguing with a handful of idiots, about things that they cannot and do not understand?"
Then she said, "Remember when you argue with a fool, other people cannot tell which person is the fool."
As is usual for her, Darla is 100% correct.= My beloved is WISE & often quite correct, when I'm not.

yours, tex

Warner photographed that jaguar in 1995 in the Peloncillo Mountains, just south of the Geronimo Trail where it crosses Cottonwood Pass--in New Mexico.

Almost exactly 10 years later, he was hunting in the San Luis Mountains down on the Diamond A Ranch (also in New Mexico). He left the guest hunter with his daughter Kelly and two of the Diamond A cowboys, and went looking for a couple of his dogs that had gone off on their own. After a bit, he heard them barking treed and rode up to find that they had bayed up another large male jaguar, just a mile or so north of the Mexican border.

The cat was backed up under a gnarled old juniper in a rocky crevice and was slapping and snarling at the dogs which were emboldened by Warner's arrival. He just had time to snap a few good pictures before he realized that the cat was getting ready to leave--and through the dogs was its only way out. He got his dogs gathered up and gave the jaguar some room, and it high-tailed it for Mexico.

His pictures from that episode are even better than the ones in "Eyes of Fire," but I don't believe that they have ever been published.

mudhen,

Pardon me for asking. = So you ADMIT that there are at least some UNPUBLISHED photos of jaguars in the USA & that therefore demanding where other jaguar photos are "archived" makes your demand of me to tell you where the photos from the Texas-Mexico border are archived LOOK silly & perhaps even hypocritical?

Can you produce the photos that you speak of, so that everyone here can enjoy them? - I would like to see the photos.

yours, tex

The difference the person Ben is citing is has published pictures in recent history that are documented. So he is a creditable source as is Ben. Not being a ass but you're citing second hand information. If a bank camera " i think thats what you said" had caught the images you say they did it would be on the web, and sure my family that lives there would of heard about it.

You are a piece of work!

As far as I know, Warner has made his photos readily available for viewing to anyone who has asked politely. He never tried to hide that fact that he had taken the photos. In fact, he first announced the incident with the second jaguar at a public meeting of the Jaguar Conservation Team and showed a slide or two.

He and his daughter have a guiding business, and Kelly and Warner represented both Pentax and Ruger for years, doing public relations and publicity shots before they both gave it up. Kelly has also sold some of her other hunting photos for covers and illustrations in outdoor magazines, All of their photos are copyrighted, and I assume that if anyone wanted to publish them, they could negotiate with Warner and/or Kelly for the privilege. I have seen the photos in person and have a copies of a couple that were given to me by Warner's late wife Wendy, before she passed away.

The difference here is that I know where the photos are, I know the people that took them and a lot of other people know, as well. If you come out here, I can probably arrange for you to meet Warner and Kelly, look at some of their jaguar photos and talk to them about their experiences.

You apparently don't know where the photos to which you referred are, or who has them, nor have you seen them, yet you cite them to buttress your claims of recent jaguar sightings in the Lower Rio Grande Valley.

I need to take Darla's advice and quit arguing with idiots.

mudhen,

You just convinced me that my Darla was 100% CORRECT (as she usually is), too.

ADIOS.

yours, tex

Deer carcass and a game cam should do it for y’all.

stxhunter,

Did it cross your mind that the bank may have NOT released their video to keep from possibly scaring any "easily frightened" customers??
(That would be my GUESS & a GUESS is all that it is.)

When a VERY LARGE Tiger-shark (that weighed well over 1,000#) was caught in Galveston County, some years ago in "a well-known & popular public swimming area" & in about waist-deep water, the local Chamber of Commerce pressured THE GALVESTON DAILY NEWS to NOT even mention the event, lest it hurt the tourist business. = IF an event is not "reported" by the "mainstream press" & wasn't on TV, it didn't happen, in the mind of most everybody.
(Same thing, I would guess.)

In the event that I can obtain a copy of the video (YES, I've asked if a copy can be purchased.), some folks here will be (I would guess) more than a little embarrassed.

yours, tex

Now that's funny....

IIRC....he mentioned that encounter in the book (or maybe the footnotes) but yea....no pictures.

Eyes of Fire is fascinating in it's own right though and like I said......one of my prize possessions since he not only signed it but wrote me a short note on the inside cover page.

And if you can't, YOU should be the one who is 'more than a little embarrassed'. (I would guess).....

They are way past the point of embarrassing themselves.

This just keeps getting better...

Wow, that was a lot of reading to catch up on.

FG, cool about the note inside the book. Very cool. Hope you have someone in your family to leave it to that enjoys these things.

Ingwe sir, perhaps not Lee 24 but instead William (?) of Cermalube fame?

tex/darla/ whoever, Some readers here, myself included, are quite put off by arcane acronyms and abbreviations. I understood LA to mean Louisiana as I was pretty sure there haven't been any jaguar sightings in Los Angeles (LA). And many of us also abhor statements and references to "facts" that are not corroborated in the post and when questioned we are directed to look it up ourselves. I've enjoyed some of your posts in the past, the ones in this thread not so much.

AND QUIT TYPING SO MUCH IN ALL CAPS!!!!!!!

Geno

The old lesson about finding yourself in a hole, you might quit digging.... is lost.

I hear that browser stuff all the time. Someone should tell the deer who keep the winter wheat grazed down to the dirt.