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As a PA resident landowner and a member of a camp I see a lot of sides to this.
More opportunities for those that are not retired, dont have vacation or the college kids who cant get the Monday after Thanksgiving off from class. (My daughter said most of her professors are antihunting so she wouldnt be able to make up any missed labs or work).
Saturday opener would be better with Sunday hunting permitted. Either way as a manufacturing supervisor with 50 guys to work with Saturday opener would be a blessing!!!
Dropping the semi auto discussion was a huge loss for 2nd amendment rights. The old arguement "you cant use them for deer hunting would be gone".
I agree change is hard not always easy but we have to evolve and adapt. You dont want your camp tradition messed with. Dont friggin hunt Saturday. Stay at camp and do what you want. Dont want to hunt on Sunday THEN DONT...But for the sake of freedom dont tell me what I cant do on my own land on Sunday.
Dont like semi autos. Dont hunt with one..
I'm not really in favor of the early bear muzzleloader but the world doesnt end where "my archery season" begins. I will still hunt and kill deer regardless.
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As a PA resident landowner and a member of a camp I see a lot of sides to this.
More opportunities for those that are not retired, dont have vacation or the college kids who cant get the Monday after Thanksgiving off from class. (My daughter said most of her professors are antihunting so she wouldnt be able to make up any missed labs or work).
Saturday opener would be better with Sunday hunting permitted. Either way as a manufacturing supervisor with 50 guys to work with Saturday opener would be a blessing!!!
Dropping the semi auto discussion was a huge loss for 2nd amendment rights. The old arguement "you cant use them for deer hunting would be gone".
I agree change is hard not always easy but we have to evolve and adapt. You dont want your camp tradition messed with. Dont friggin hunt Saturday. Stay at camp and do what you want. Dont want to hunt on Sunday THEN DONT...But for the sake of freedom dont tell me what I cant do on my own land on Sunday.
Dont like semi autos. Dont hunt with one..
I'm not really in favor of the early bear muzzleloader but the world doesnt end where "my archery season" begins. I will still hunt and kill deer regardless.
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After 56 PA deer seasons my better days are behind me. Recall in the 60’s and 70’s when one deer of either sex was it for the season. One could count 200 shots by 9am on opening day and strings of 15-20 doe (hopefully followed by a buck) were the order of the day. Still get out almost every day hoping to cross paths with a slammer, but my priorities have changed. These days go because it’s what I’ve always done, get the exercise and enjoy the woods. Killing a deer is near the bottom of the list (actually feel sorry for the deer). Visit one of the PA forums regularly and it’s humorous to read about some people complaining that there are no deer in the woods and others bragging about shooting a second or third doe ‘for the freezer’.
For what it’s worth, my votes on the issues:
Change opening day, nay
Semi-autos, yay (not really a major issue to me though)
Hunting on Sundays, yay
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Fugum not enough Game Wardens to go around hunt whenever you want to and use whatever you want to kill them. So few hunters in the woods after noon opening day it does not matter anyway.
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And go ahead and bait statewide too! Seems odd the only place CWD is not spread by baiting is where the PGC charges for a permit to do it.
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So bonding can only come from legislation or lack there of. Interesting stuff this thread has been Camps need time to do things like clean up, eat big meals, play cards, and not feel rushed to hunt. 2 days of camp prep before the hunt, that is the definition of tradition. No tradition time, no tradition, less driving force to come back in November the next year. Not difficult to picture. Seems if tradition is so fugging important, people would make it work. Just because a season opens on Saturday, instead of Monday, doesn't mean you can't do it just like you've been doing it. My God, you people really do need government in your life. As mentioned elsewhere, looks like a bunch of fudds up there. You're absolutely right. Just listen to Kingston and the others whine like babies because they're trying to give us an extra day of rifle season and it's a Saturday no less!
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And Kingston hasn't been sharp enough to realize that nobody needs to be disadvantaged by a Saturday opener because participation will not be mandatory. All the guys who want their first day to be Monday will still be allowed to stay on that schedule. Should be a win-win but here in PA that is never the case.
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‘Tradition’ as it relates to PA deer hunting is almost entirely dependent upon the hunter’s age....
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[quote=moosemike]And Kingston hasn't been sharp enough to realize that nobody needs to be disadvantaged by a Saturday opener because participation will not be mandatory. All the guys who want their first day to be Monday will still be allowed to stay on that schedule. Should be a win-win but here in PA that is never the case. [/quote
Hunters have a legit gripe about deer numbers being down so giving them another day a Saturday none the less to be hunted is going to help bring them back? Maybe the archery season should be cut back to 4 weeks again.
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I still say the Commissioners are on somebody's payroll! FUGUM get rid of them we did not have this issue prior to them becoming political appointees via the g
Govenor. Either have them voted in or combine the bankrupt F&BC with the PGC to one agency, do away with high end funded pension and benefit packages for both agencies put the money into fish & game habitat.
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[quote=moosemike]And Kingston hasn't been sharp enough to realize that nobody needs to be disadvantaged by a Saturday opener because participation will not be mandatory. All the guys who want their first day to be Monday will still be allowed to stay on that schedule. Should be a win-win but here in PA that is never the case. [/quote
Hunters have a legit gripe about deer numbers being down so giving them another day a Saturday none the less to be hunted is going to help bring them back? Maybe the archery season should be cut back to 4 weeks again. Some hunters do. There's plenty of places in this state where there's a surplus of deer. Trouble is guys want to hunt where the habitat was decimated by too many years of too many deer and not all of those places have regenerated into a deer friendly ecosystem. But guys hunt there because they killed a lot of deer there in the 80's and 90's and it's close to Camp. Traditions are often a prison.
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[quote=moosemike]And Kingston hasn't been sharp enough to realize that nobody needs to be disadvantaged by a Saturday opener because participation will not be mandatory. All the guys who want their first day to be Monday will still be allowed to stay on that schedule. Should be a win-win but here in PA that is never the case. [/quote
Hunters have a legit gripe about deer numbers being down so giving them another day a Saturday none the less to be hunted is going to help bring them back? Maybe the archery season should be cut back to 4 weeks again. Some hunters do. There's plenty of places in this state where there's a surplus of deer. Trouble is guys want to hunt where the habitat was decimated by too many years of too many deer and not all of those places have regenerated into a deer friendly ecosystem. But guys hunt there because they killed a lot of deer there in the 80's and 90's and it's close to Camp. Traditions are often a prison. Guys hunt where they have permission to hunt you can not kill Bucks county deer if you can not get a place to hunt in Bucks county.
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[quote=moosemike]And Kingston hasn't been sharp enough to realize that nobody needs to be disadvantaged by a Saturday opener because participation will not be mandatory. All the guys who want their first day to be Monday will still be allowed to stay on that schedule. Should be a win-win but here in PA that is never the case. [/quote
Hunters have a legit gripe about deer numbers being down so giving them another day a Saturday none the less to be hunted is going to help bring them back? Maybe the archery season should be cut back to 4 weeks again. Some hunters do. There's plenty of places in this state where there's a surplus of deer. Trouble is guys want to hunt where the habitat was decimated by too many years of too many deer and not all of those places have regenerated into a deer friendly ecosystem. But guys hunt there because they killed a lot of deer there in the 80's and 90's and it's close to Camp. Traditions are often a prison. Guys hunt where they have permission to hunt you can not kill Bucks county deer if you can not get a place to hunt in Bucks county. I'd not be surprised to learn you are from Bucks/Montgomery County.
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Wish I was got to have big bucks ($$$) to live there. I own a 220 acer farm in Northampton co. and another 300 acers in Potter co.
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Wish I was got to have big bucks ($$$) to live there. I own a 220 acer farm in Northampton co. and another 300 acers in Potter co. 200 acre farm in Northampton county is big bucks. BIG bucks!!
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We hunt all State Forest land in Clearfield County.
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At least I will be able to hunt with my sons again. They always have to work on that Monday. The number of guys that want off for that day and can't get it is ridiculous. Our deer camp will explode if this actually gets passed in April. Doesn't anyone get vacation pay in PA? At a workplace full of guys, there are always several that want the Monday after Thanksgiving off. Valid point. Don’t work with a lot of hunters so I didn’t think of that.
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Wish I was got to have big bucks ($$$) to live there. I own a 220 acer farm in Northampton co. and another 300 acers in Potter co. 200 acre farm in Northampton county is big bucks. BIG bucks!! I got it on the market @ 8.9 million give or take a $100k if you are interested.
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The only reason I'm for no change is I hunt the first two weekends of NY's rifle season, then come home Sunday night to night here . So I'd actually loose a day.
Really to me it makes more sense to allow Sunday hunting rather than fight over which day the season starts.
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I really don't think it's going to happen. Semi Auto inclusion was supposed to be a done deal and that's already been shelved. I don't think they're gonna risk pissing off a majority of hunters by passing this.
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