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WITH original Weaver K 2.5 (clear!) and swivels (original) real nice, too. CCH on handle all there, very minor dings in stock. I'm pleased!
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Love the Stith and scope, nice grab! It's a 99EG though.
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How do you know it is not a G?
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Love the Stith and scope, nice grab! It's a 99EG though. according to "the" 99 book and by SERNO, it's a 1956 H? oh, 300
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There was no model H during the 1950's, only EG, R (RS?), and F. Going by the slender fore arm it would be an EG. H's didn't survive re-introduction after WWII.
John, if it were a G there would be a takedown iron in front of the receiver. They weren't made as late as the 50's either.
Darn nice rifle regardless. I think the EG's were the best of the lot in that era.
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According to Murray they made 2 H's, one from 1905 to 1919 and the other from 1923 to 1940. So, if it's a 1956, it's not an H, and if it's an H, it's not a 1956. Very pretty rifle.
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OK, now I'm really confused. Serial # is 880xxx, according to the Savage book on page 135, it says made between 1956 7731xx and 1957 927469 and next to those numbers it says Letter "H" but I guess that's just a code on the handle? So I'll let you guys tell me what it is?
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The H is for the 'lever boss date code' H = 1956. That is not the model type.
You do have a fairly rare gun in the 800K SN range however.
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The 800,000 serial range are pretty rare rifles! they only made a few over 500 in that serial number range before starting the 900,000 serial numbers. nice find !!! Don
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Lever boss code "H", puts it at 1956. I think your confusion is the difference between a model alpha and the LBC alpha which indicates year of manufacture starting in 1949.
Have I got that right guys?
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I'm thinking you got the serial number wrong as well.
Got a pic of it?
All the 800's I've got jotted down start with 83X.
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The 800,000 serial range are pretty rare rifles! they only made a few over 500 in that serial number range before starting the 900,000 serial numbers. nice find !!! Don Wow, just goes to show you, even a blind pig.... So what model is it, EG? I'll try and take more pics....
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I'm thinking you got the serial number wrong as well.
Got a pic of it?
All the 800's I've got jotted down start with 83X. correction, 840687, so not so rare? still minty though
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Here is a re-post of the message from JTC I received on the 800K SN range:
Mike and anyone interested. Here is a summary of the 800,000 S/N block. It seems apparent that the company set this block aside for some unknown reason as the dates are much earlier than lower serial numbers shipped a couple of years later. Second there are way less than 100K guns in this block. The first posted s/n is 834,000 and is followed by blank records up to 834,777. A blank record is where the numbers are posted and have no entry against them and of course no product either. The first entry is at S/N 834,778 and is dated 11/6/53. The following entries are mixed up to s/n 834899 and are dated 10 & 11 of 1953 with a sprinkle of some 1955 and 56 dates. 834900 to 834909 are blank. 834910 to 834994 have entries dated 10-1953 with some in 1954. 834995 to 835025 are blank. 835026 to 835262 are mixed entries with 10 & 11 1953 dates. 835263 to 835412 are blank. 835413 to 835451 Show entries for 8/9/10/11 of 1953. 835452 to 835520 are blank. 835521 to 835539 show entries for 10/1954 and 7/1954. 835540 to 836051 are blank. If I did my subtraction right this makes for 502 Model 99’s in this S/N block. The next entry is at 900000, which of course is where the new longer and open receivers to accommodate the .243, .308 and .358 Winchester rounds started. I hope this sheds some light, but not necessarily some answers, on this controversial series of numbers. Jack
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Is that first number a poorly struck 6 that looks like an 8?
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So my head just "sploded" where does my SN fit at 840687? and did I pay too much, (800 bucks)....
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Is that first number a poorly struck 6 that looks like an 8? definitively an 8
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Can you read the stamp on the lever boss?
If so what does it say? Not doubting, trying to figure out....
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Can you read the stamp on the lever boss?
If so what does it say? Not doubting, trying to figure out.... Where exactly on the lever?
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Actually be on the "boss" in front of the actual trigger under the receiver...
should be a circle with a number and a letter in it.
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So my head just "sploded" where does my SN fit at 840687? and did I pay too much, (800 bucks).... That Stith set up will bring 300 everyday all day and could bring as much as 400 to a guy that can't live without it. And then you have the gun. You got a good deal no matter how the serial number falls IMO...
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Shadow of doubt... I looked at the serial number with a good light and some "cheater" glasses and I must be tired. Looks like a sloppy 8 like you said, but the bill of sale says "8' (hence my "definite" comment). I cannot find any letters where I think I'm looking, so maybe tomorrow with better light I'll report back.
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Does the eight look like this "6" ?
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Does the eight look like this "6" ? Could be, there is another six and another 8 on the serial number, since this is the first in line, it's right at the rounded part of the receiver. Either way I'm ok with it. Nicest one I've handled....
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Does the eight look like this "6" ? Could be, there is another six and another 8 on the serial number, since this is the first in line, it's right at the rounded part of the receiver. Either way I'm ok with it. Nicest one I've handled.... It's a very nice rifle. Nice case colors tell me it's prolly original even from the one pic. Even if it's a "6" you should still be smiling. Is the rifle drilled and tapped for scope? Curious to see a Stith set up on a rifle this late in production. (early-mid 50's). Mostly see this scope set up on on pre war or immediately post war rifles...
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So my head just "sploded" where does my SN fit at 840687? and did I pay too much, (800 bucks).... No, the Stith and Weaver are worth $300 +
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The 800,000s were produced out of order. My personal thought is that it’s a bad struck 6, I’ve been confused by them before more than once. But whether it’s 84x,xxx or 64x,xxx - it should date to 1952 or 1953. Aren’t 99’s fun? And I think you did okay on the buy, the Stith/scope are expensive.
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The 800,000s were produced out of order. My personal thought is that it’s a bad struck 6, I’ve been confused by them before more than once. But whether it’s 84x,xxx or 64x,xxx - it should date to 1952 or 1953. Aren’t 99’s fun? And I think you did okay on the buy, the Stith/scope are expensive. I believe you are probably correct. Hope ATF doesn't get pissed . PS: Someone post a picture of where the Letters on the trigger boss are supposed to be, please?
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Here’s a 17I - I making it 1957
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WITH original Weaver K 2.5 (clear!) and swivels (original) real nice, too. CCH on handle all there, very minor dings in stock. I'm pleased! Beauty!
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Well lads, the plot thickens. All I could see on the boss was something like this ( ) but could not make anything else out. I also took a bigger magnifying glass and honestly, I can't make the call on a 6 or 8, but given the rarity, I'm going with a 6...This weekend a friend is bringing over a super-duper glass in the hopes of getting to see something on the boss...
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So my head just "sploded" where does my SN fit at 840687? and did I pay too much, (800 bucks).... That Stith set up will bring 300 everyday all day and could bring as much as 400 to a guy that can't live without it. And then you have the gun. You got a good deal no matter how the serial number falls IMO... I bought a Stith setup complete with a Weaver k2.5 for like 150$ on GB about two weeks ago. I've been beat out on them, with their final price being sub 200$ The only one's I've seen in the price range you suggest, all had Lyman Alaskan scopes.
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Well lads, the plot thickens. All I could see on the boss was something like this ( ) but could not make anything else out. I also took a bigger magnifying glass and honestly, I can't make the call on a 6 or 8, but given the rarity, I'm going with a 6...This weekend a friend is bringing over a super-duper glass in the hopes of getting to see something on the boss... IF you want to risk buggering some screws, you can remove the buttstock and the same inspector/date stamp should be above the lever on the left side. Haven't seen a 50's gun without it there, I don't think. Being that it's a flat surface, it's usually struck much better. Not unusual to see lever boss stamps that aren't legible.
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Here's a picture of what the stamp looks like under the buttstock. This is from a 1952 99EG.
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Jorge, if you have the function on your photo program switch a photo of the LBC to negative . sometimes that works for me. maybe will work with the serial number too. still a sweet setup no matter what or when its made.
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I need to take some more pictures for you guys, it's really a CLEAN gun. I am very happy with it. Never in a million years I would have thought I'd be completely enthralled with Savage 99s... Maybe my buddy Hatari will chime in, but he's a BIG 99 hunter, even a few trips to Africa.. This rifle just "feels" great!/
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And this is how the madness starts... Gotta go, got a call to pick up my new one.
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I need to take some more pictures for you guys, it's really a CLEAN gun. I am very happy with it. Never in a million years I would have thought I'd be completely enthralled with Savage 99s... Maybe my buddy Hatari will chime in, but he's a BIG 99 hunter, even a few trips to Africa.. This rifle just "feels" great!/ you been bit! only cure is another one, another one, another one...................
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It's really a CLEAN gun. I am very happy with it. Never in a million years I would have thought I'd be completely enthralled with Savage 99s... This rifle just "feels" great!/ That is the "thrall" - the mystery of the 99. It's a rifle that you point and shoot instinctively like a fine fitting shotgun. Enjoy!
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I need to take some more pictures for you guys, it's really a CLEAN gun. I am very happy with it. Never in a million years I would have thought I'd be completely enthralled with Savage 99s... Maybe my buddy Hatari will chime in, but he's a BIG 99 hunter, even a few trips to Africa.. This rifle just "feels" great!/ Wait till you shoot it! I have a 1959 EG in .308, that is an absolute tackdriver. Beautiful rifle!
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Very nice! Only mod to it is the sling studs, but otherwise looks brand new. Love ones like that.
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Very nice! Only mod to it is the sling studs, but otherwise looks brand new. Love ones like that. What mod?
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Very nice! Only mod to it is the sling studs, but otherwise looks brand new. Love ones like that. What mod? That's it. The sling swivels.
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Oh, I take it they are after market? For a minute there I thought Savage had come to their senses and started putting them on their rifles like the rest of the know universe.
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No, the only models that came standard with sling studs pre-1960 were the 99R and 99RS and Spiegel EG and... I think that's it. Guys, are those Savage studs? I know Savage sold them separate and you could add them on.
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I have an R but no studs
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Well, technically the 1950's 99R's came with sling eyes, not studs. Should have 'em, tho never say never.
“ The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
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Does anyone know who the manufacturer was of the sling swivels? I have several 99's with the exact same swivel on them and I've seen plenty of others with the same swivel.
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I think the ones pictured are pachmeyer?
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As you described, gorgeous. Look forward to seeing it next weekend.
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Range day tomorrow. Scope looks to be fairly in line with bore after a collimator check. Hoping to "match the bullet" to the sight so I can avoid messing with that old scope. I have quite a selection of factory 180 and 150 grain ammo, plus some handloads. We'll see!
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Just returned from the range with the new (old) savage. Shot factory Federal 180s and my hand load 180s (Gunner 500's load 4ogr RL-15) plus factory Winchester Power Points. Rifle has an old Weaver 2.5X so a bit difficult to shoot precisely. I was also reticent to fiddle with the adjustments as the scope is over sixty years old and I need to research what the adjustment calibration clicks are. I was not disappointed . This is what she produced "as is":
Last edited by jorgeI; 02/09/19.
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Did the 8 turn out to be a 6? Good shooting.
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Did the 8 turn out to be a 6? Good shooting. I believe it is... IT is REALLY hard to discern w 100% certitude. I'm betting 6.
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Shhh, if the secret gets out about how well these guns shoot I won't be able to afford anymore 99s
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Here is a re-post of the message from JTC I received on the 800K SN range:
Mike and anyone interested. Here is a summary of the 800,000 S/N block. It seems apparent that the company set this block aside for some unknown reason as the dates are much earlier than lower serial numbers shipped a couple of years later. Second there are way less than 100K guns in this block. The first posted s/n is 834,000 and is followed by blank records up to 834,777. A blank record is where the numbers are posted and have no entry against them and of course no product either. The first entry is at S/N 834,778 and is dated 11/6/53. The following entries are mixed up to s/n 834899 and are dated 10 & 11 of 1953 with a sprinkle of some 1955 and 56 dates. 834900 to 834909 are blank. 834910 to 834994 have entries dated 10-1953 with some in 1954. 834995 to 835025 are blank. 835026 to 835262 are mixed entries with 10 & 11 1953 dates. 835263 to 835412 are blank. 835413 to 835451 Show entries for 8/9/10/11 of 1953. 835452 to 835520 are blank. 835521 to 835539 show entries for 10/1954 and 7/1954. 835540 to 836051 are blank. If I did my subtraction right this makes for 502 Model 99’s in this S/N block. The next entry is at 900000, which of course is where the new longer and open receivers to accommodate the .243, .308 and .358 Winchester rounds started. I hope this sheds some light, but not necessarily some answers, on this controversial series of numbers. Jack At some point in the past, I put this info from JTC's message into an Excel spreadsheet and also came up with 502. Based on the words JTC used, I grouped the 502 as follow below ... so the bulk of the 800K SN are in 1953, with a few in 54, 55, 56. 1953 .....................................276 1954........................................19 Mostly 53, some 54....................85 Mostly 53, some 55/56..............122
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You guys can discuss till the cows come home - I am just enjoying the pics of that beautiful rifle. Wish that I aged as well as it has.
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This weekend I'm taking the rifle to Hatari's house and Pugs will be there as well. We'll try and take pics of the serial number and repost. I'm still convinced it's "just" a 6....
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Now wait, you guys are supposed to go there for quail hunting. How many can you drop out of a covey rise with a lever action .300?
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You haven't seen me shoot! :}
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Load up some .300 cartridges with #8's.
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I thought Pugs was buying the beer Sunday?
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I thought Pugs was buying the beer Sunday? Of course, just not THIS Sunday (or next)
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This weekend I'm taking the rifle to Hatari's house and Pugs will be there as well. We'll try and take pics of the serial number and repost. I'm still convinced it's "just" a 6.... We all looked at it this weekend and agree it really looks like a 6 to us.
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