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Lay Trump aside temporarily. Think R party or D party. Consider that both of them owe their existence to the other. In D.C. you owe your first allegiance to your party and your second allegiance to the “ other “ party.
When I spoke of the game being rigged, I’m talking about governance, not elections. Each side will do their damnest to rig an election, of course, but they likely cancel each other out on that score.
But neither side wants to prevail on the issues that separate the electorate. The game would be over then and it’s the game that’s making them individually wealthy. The governance part you speak of brings to mind that fuggin Paul Ryan. I don’t see how anyone can conclude that Trump is a Republican. He’s anything but that and has caused both sides of the “governance committee “ to show their hand. I don’t see a Cruz or any other Politico in today’s world that could or would do that. We needed clear, distinct political lines drawn for the non believers to plainly see and Trump did just that, I.e., fish or cut bait. His forthrightness caused the cockroaches to come out of the dark. No other that was a candidate in2016 was even capable of eliciting that. None. But, like you, I have concerns for the 2A going forward.
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Well said OT, but by Nov 16 there wasn't really any option but DJT[actually by mid-spring 16].
Keep D.C. turned upside down and keep shaking, there's plenty of cockroaches still there.
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I think you are correct in all you say. But I think the 2A would have been in better hands with a President other than Trump. I shudder at the thought of Hillary, but if a Dem went after guns, the Repubs would unite against it.
Trump can give up our rights and you won’t hear a whimper from either party.
Would the Repubs dare go after a Democrat who wanted to outlaw abortion?
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Anything that brings the death of the party of traitors is good.
Cortez. Obama. Warren. Feinstine Sledge hammers. Razors, flame throwers. AIDS suicide claw hammers rocks Orbital sanders. banana peels Tire Irons. sharp sticks
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I think you are correct in all you say. But I think the 2A would have been in better hands with a President other than Trump. I shudder at the thought of Hillary, but if a Dem went after guns, the Repubs would unite against it.
Trump can give up our rights and you won’t hear a whimper from either party.
Would the Repubs dare go after a Democrat who wanted to outlaw abortion? Curdog I could well be 180 degrees wrong but I feel the chit would hit the fan did the republicans and trump, say, sign the ‘crazies with guns ‘ bill. But , yet to be seen. He’s damn sure walking a thin line with that and bump stocks. But he’s the only game in town for us. This is kinda like the poker player who was asked why he played poker with that gang as they were known cheaters and card sharps. His reply: cause it’s the only game in town. That’s us, btw.
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She’s the next Bernie Sanders. Young idiots will latch onto her and her ideology.
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republicans were the party of the rich and Dem's were for the working man one of the greatest lies ever told; right up there with conservative democrat
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
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I think she's going to be the death of something. I'm not sure exactly what, though. That level of political power, in delusional denial of reality, cause and effect, and consequences is incredibly dangerous to all, friend and foe.
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I learned in my 20’s that being a single issue voter is not very intelligent way to live my life as an American citizen. I’ll choose someone with the foresight to pick good SCOTUS candidates and enforcing our borders and immigration laws over an open borders pretend pro 2nd amendment open borders candidate whose wife works for a globalist bank ( making millions a year) who supports the abolishment of all firearms ownership. Some never learn My father in law is an old union Democrat that believed the republicans were the party of the rich and Dem's were for the working man. After 8 yrs of Obama and Trump getting elected he has finally seen the light and hates Dem's now. He is a stubborn old goat and if he can change sides I believe there is hope many of theses yankee union Dem's can also.... He thinks Trump is great..... so there is hope for people like Curdog 45/70..... I was willing to be convinced after he got the nomination that Trump was who y’all thought he was . He seemed to me to be a more or less typical NYC blowhard with enough Liberal tendencies to be scary to a single issue voter like me. I’ve stated several times on this forum that getting all wrapped up in the political intrigues of BOTH major parties is akin to paying your entry fee for a rigged contest. The only way our individual votes can have any impact is to pick out ONE issue and vote based on that.You should not choose taxes or deficit spending as your issue. In fact, you should not pick any issue that can be quantified since both sides can make numbers dance to their tune. The 2A or Abortion make make excellent single issues since they are fairly clear cut, at least in comparison most other issues. I chose the 2A as my issue decades ago and have never wavered on it. Cruz had the strongest 2A credentials of all the 2016 candidates so I supported him in the primaries. It really is that simple. So, your FIL can find something about Trump to make him start supporting him. Everything I’ve seen and heard from Trump points to my original concerns about him being justified, so I’ll stay with my original assessment. Those of us who were adults in the ‘ sixties and saw the pendulum swinging ever more in the direction of outright confiscation of firearms will have a different mindset than those who only know of it as history taught by right wingers. Thankfully, that movement was reversed at the State levels....no thanks to the Feds. Any nudge of the pendulum back in the wrong direction..like bump stocks and red flag laws.... should result in outrage by the gun community. All I hear is MAGA.
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I learned in my 20’s that being a single issue voter is not very intelligent way to live my life as an American citizen. What issues are your main concerns?
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
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To the OP's original question, "Could Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez be the death of the Democrat party?"
I answer, "One can only hope."
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She is sinking the Democratic party as far as winning a national election. She has them so rattled that every presidential candidate so far has come out touting crazy far left ideas that are sure losers in a Presidential election. You still have to win the independents and middle to win the Presidency. The craziness she is pushing is going to turn those voters off. The longer she has the list of hopefuls clamoring for Medicare for all and the rest of the pie in the sky, the Dems are screwed.
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To the OP's original question, "Could Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez be the death of the Democrat party?"
I answer, "One can only hope." If the Dems are ended they’ll be replaced with flat-out socialists. Right now you have enough division that Pelosi will clap for Trump saying we’ll never be a socialist nation while Bernie & AOC seath with rage. We also have a Dem party genuinely afraid of a centrist like Schultz. Let’s hope they don’t go away as it’d signal a sizable shift left if you can believe that. Cortez & her ilk are just the logical progression of a party headed hard Left. I don’t know what is more scary; her faction or that of the intersectionalists under Harris.
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I hate to say it, but I think the media is right, ' She is the demonratic party of the future.
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She exposed herself for what she is last night. An absolute clown.
Hope she likes her current gig because it's the highest she'll ever go. I hope you're right, I fear you're not !
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She exposed herself for what she is last night. An absolute clown.
Hope she likes her current gig because it's the highest she'll ever go. I hope you're right, I fear you're not ! Yeah, she’s the new face of the democrat party aimed at the millennial group. She’ll be put in charm school and will be very palatable to many in just a few short years.
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There's two main types of people in this country.
1 - Those that want the American Dream and are willing to work for it.
2 - Those that want free stuff with as little effort as possible and are willing to be led around by the nose.
Her and her ilk resonate with the #2 crowd. Unfortunately the values and morals being instilled in a lot of people raised in the past 40 years are more in line with them. I fear we are doomed, sooner or later. Might take a couple/few generations but America will most likely turn into Europe at some point and then degrade into Venezuela. Sounds far fetched but that is what I see. I fear for my kids and grandkids future with the media, education and political parties all aligned against what made this country great in the first place. Well said Sir!
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She exposed herself for what she is last night. An absolute clown.
Hope she likes her current gig because it's the highest she'll ever go. I hope you're right, I fear you're not ! Yeah, she’s the new face of the democrat party aimed at the millennial group. She’ll be put in charm school and will be very palatable to many in just a few short years. She’ll inch the Dem party leftward with her hyperbolic commie left wing rhetoric so in a few years the same rhetoric will seem reasonable . Linguistic imprinting on the idiots that vote . Obama was a master at this. Idiots like Northman jeffo piddler will continue to praise her She’ll end with a multi million dollar msnbc contract in a few years Not bad for a part time lazy uneducated barista whole stole co workers’ tips and became a political star like Obama who is making millions of dollars now due to the ignorance of the American citizens. Is she an idiot? Yes intellectually but a useful puppet for brain dead idiots like Northman. Jeffo piddles etc
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