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I am pretty sure the twist is 1:14. I had thought about that limiting bullet selection. I have shot 52 grain with pretty good results. I can probably shoot 55's but 60 grainers may be a stretch. That is one thing that does make me pause a bit. Scenarshooter, thanks for the pics. Also am happy to see that 55 grain bullets seem to be up for the job!
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![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/jqkbvJS6/IMG-E4443.jpg) I know....the barrel is pointed right at me, and the bolt is closed. Poor on my part. Caribou are easy to kill. For their size, they're not very tenacious. If I recall, this shot was about 250 yards through the lungs.
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![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/bvrqTHjh/IMG-E4819.jpg) 55gr Hornady.
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I am pretty sure the twist is 1:14. I had thought about that limiting bullet selection. I have shot 52 grain with pretty good results. I can probably shoot 55's but 60 grainers may be a stretch. That is one thing that does make me pause a bit. Scenarshooter, thanks for the pics. Also am happy to see that 55 grain bullets seem to be up for the job! Notice they're 55 gr. Hornady bullets.
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I see that barnes makes a 45 grain tsx. If you read the reviews at Midway, they seem to do well on deer. Same story on the 50 grain tsx. I am not sure if I should go lighterfor more speed or shoot the 50 grain bullets. Seems like even the 45 grain TSX penetrate well enough to get an exit.
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I did notice the part about them being Hornady. I don't see how that makes them better than say Barnes.
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I wasn't necessarily referring to Barnes. It means they've been shown to work while other 55 grain bullets, Sierra, Speer etc may not.
And a 55 grain Barnes probably won't work in a 14" twist.
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I'm a firm believer of SPEED in small calibers. I've only shot two so far with my 22-250, both with handloads. The first was a big body old doe at 75 yards with a Winchester 64 gr sp. She was hit high shoulder and just dropped. The second was with a Sierra 55 gr Game King on doe, 50 yard base of neck shot. It was the most impressive I've seen as it literally flipped her in the air onto her back. The exit hole was quarter size. Minutes later I dropped a red fox at 175 yards. Hit just behind the shoulder and the same quarter size exit hole. These Sierra's shoot into 3/4" for 3 shots at 100 yards.
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I'm a firm believer of SPEED in small calibers. I've only shot two so far with my 22-250, both with handloads. The first was a big body old doe at 75 yards with a Winchester 64 gr sp. She was hit high shoulder and just dropped. The second was with a Sierra 55 gr Game King on doe, 50 yard base of neck shot. It was the most impressive I've seen as it literally flipped her in the air onto her back. The exit hole was quarter size. Minutes later I dropped a red fox at 175 yards. Hit just behind the shoulder and the same quarter size exit hole. These Sierra's shoot into 3/4" for 3 shots at 100 yards. "It" didn't.
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mathman, You think the 55 Barnes may not stabilize due to them being too long?
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![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/kXtvRxb2/IMG-E4136.jpg) I've used a .220 swift a little for big game... 55gr Hornady spire points work pretty good. You've been holding out on me!  First time I've seen that one - cool deer.
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I have used them. They work, but I just don’t see the need when I can grab a 243. That’s just me. That question can be asked all the way up the power scale. Why grab a 243 when you can grab a 260? Why grab a 260 when you can grab a 7mm-08? Why grab a 7mm-08 when you can grab a 30-06? A 223 will kill a deer as dead as anything else. There's only one level of dead. My experience is that the 22 caliber Partitions shuts them down as quickly as a 30-06. Actually, more quickly in my experience. When I peel dead deer, I am not seeing any greater damage with larger bore bullets. The heart and or lungs just go to jelly. Obviously if we are dealing with extended ranges, the 22 caliber offerings may prove marginal before a larger caliber with heavier bullets. I don't have anywhere to hunt at those kind of ranges though. Recoil Recoil Recoil. That is usually the main reasoning for these debates. In my experience, a 30-06 works better. In my father’s experience, a 260 works better. Only one way to find out if its the right choice, make your own experience.
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Overwhelmed was an understatement...Told you so OP 😎
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mathman, You think the 55 Barnes may not stabilize due to them being too long? Barnes' website suggests more twist, likely for the length reason.
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you can get 50 rnds of .223 hornady 55 g spirepoints for around 25 bucks these days ... almost (almost) lessens the desire to reload.
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Except that I would be using a 225 Winchester which if you look for ammo, makes it a must to reload!
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Overwhelmed was an understatement...Told you so OP 😎 I don't mind! It is like I expected, most who are against using such "pea shooters" have little to back it up other than opinions.
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I have used them. They work, but I just don’t see the need when I can grab a 243. That’s just me. I agree. There is no degree of dead.......a deer killed with a 223 is just as dead as one killed with a bigger cartridge. BUT...all things being considered, I think there are better choices than a 22 caliber for deer, and that's the route I choose to take.
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Many years ago my 8 year old son killed his first two deer with a shortened stock 1 in 12 Featherweight in 223 REM. The bullet, a 60gr Partition which stabilized just fine, passed through both deer (double lung) leaving an exit the size of a quarter, and neither went more than 40 yards. With this bullet put in the proper spot you will harvest medium game.
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The 60 Partition is a short bullet.
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