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The "Christians" posting in this thread are lying to themselves, and fooling no one but themselves - because they need to... And what is your need in being here and dont say the truth. It isnt in you, as He guessed it would be.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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" That pretty much defines "innate". No man has any excuse not to accept that there is God.
not to create dissonance amongst the rank & file, but we are inmates. we work & pay taxes or not. we worship whatever. or no worship. freedom? Yes, freedom to live as we wish and then curse Him for Murphys Law.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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The "Christians" posting in this thread are lying to themselves, and fooling no one but themselves - because they need to... If you can't troll any better than that piss off.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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Note the astounding arrogance of the religious infected. We, the filthy unbelievers, can NOT lead a moral life, we can't possibly love our fellow man, we can NOT adhere to the golden rule, we can't possibly be compassionate citizens of this earthly orb. They proselytize at our very doorstep, peddling their arrogance of superior knowledge. The believers must truly be superior beings. They tell us this, shouted from the rooftops, ad nauseum. Oh but you can live and be perfect and never look on a woman with lust and never lie or anything.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Jeezus ain't real. Hint............... Stick to what you know.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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Anyone that starts a religion thread on an internet forum such as this one, is trolling for arguments.
I'm just giving them what they wanted in the first place. Believe me, no one here wanted another individual like you mucking up the threads.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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Not sure if folks think I am deflake with a different account or he is me with a different account, but I only have one account and would not bother wasting my time juggling two accounts just to intellectually accost you bozos. Or at least attempt to. Competition brings out the best in people - poor competition, like you, are just boring - like playing chess with a retard...
Like Sam Houston, I will vote for what is best for ME in 2020. Texans read their Bibles to find what they want it to say, and are blind to what it actually says...
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Man has a transcendent nature, he can imagine that which is not physical. Logically everything that is must have been caused by some being. And that being, having existence, must have been caused by another being. And so on. Until you get to the first being which was not caused by another. An uncaused being. And that being must be unrestricted because there is no superior being to restrict it. And that being we may call god. Or a panoply of gods and dime-gods. But interestingly the uncaused, unrestricted being must be the top dog, like Zeus.
I'm sure Aquinas wasn't the first to come up with this, it sounds very Greek for one thing, though he says it so much better.
So yes there is an innate sense of a god in the sense that innate logical thought leads us as above.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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For jaguartx - Ten Bible verses, just for you!
1. Matthew 15:8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
2. Isaiah 29:13 And so the Lord says, “These people say they are mine. They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. And their worship of me is nothing but man-made rules learned by rote.
3. James 1:26 If a person thinks that he is religious but can’t control his tongue, he is fooling himself. That person’s religion is worthless.
4 1 John 2:9 Those who say that they are in the light but hate other believers are still in the dark.
5. Titus 1:16 They claim to know God, but they deny him by what they do. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit to do anything good.
6. Matthew 7:3-5 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
7. Matthew 6:1-2 Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
8. Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
9. Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
10. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Like Sam Houston, I will vote for what is best for ME in 2020. Texans read their Bibles to find what they want it to say, and are blind to what it actually says...
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Learning about god is like learning about Santa. Santa knows when you've been bad or good, brings us gifts, is seemingly immortal, performs miracles, and is taught to children as real. Sounds a whole lot like god, eh? Santa is a construct, a manufactured entity in whom some people believe deeply because their parents told them to believe in him. So is god.
Your Bible is a well-written book, for sure. But it is nothing more than a collection of oral stories and myths - and not a complete one at that because large parts of it were voted out by church rulers. None of it was written down at all until about the year 600, six centuries after this Jesus guy was alleged to have been around and many more centuries after the earliest tales it contains. You know how oral stories change and get embellished when they are retold over and over? That's true of biblical stories, too. Then it was imperfectly translated into language after language, revised, edited, and issued in several versions. Every word literally true? Ha! Use the Bible to prove the truth of god and then use "it's the word of god" to prove the truth of the Bible? That's the worst kind of circular logic.
tikkanut, my friend, I'd be delighted to share a beer and our Utah scenery with you any time. However, we can't say it's there because of a god. It's there - and that's all we can say. Wrong. This is when they were written: James: AD 44-49 Galatians: AD 49-50 Mark: AD 50-60 Matthew: AD 50-60 1 Thessalonians: AD 51 2 Thessalonians: AD 51-52 1 Corinthians: AD 55 2 Corinthians: AD 55-56 Romans: AD 56 Luke: AD 60-61b Ephesians: AD 60-62 Philippians: AD 60-62 Philemon: AD 60-62 Colossians: AD 60-62 Acts: AD 62 1 Timothy: AD 62-64 Titus: AD 62-64 1 Peter: AD 64-65 2 Timothy: AD 66-67 2 Peter: AD 67-68 Hebrews: AD 67-69 Jude: AD 68-70 John: AD 80-90 1 John: AD 90-95 2 John: AD 90-95 3 John: AD 90-95 Revelation: AD 94-96 Job: Considered earliest, but date unknown Genesis: 1445-1405 BC Exodus: 1445-1405 BC Leviticus: 1445-1405 BC Numbers: 1445-1405 BC Deuteronomy: 1445-1405 BC Psalms: 1410-1450 BC Joshua: 1405-1385 BC Judges: 1043 BC Ruth: 1030-1010 BC Song of Songs: 971-965 BC Proverbs: 971-686 BC Ecclesiastes: 940-931 BC 1 Samuel: 931-722 BC 2 Samuel: 931-722 BC Obadiah: 850-840 BC Joel: 835-796 BC Jonah: 775 BC Amos: 750 BC Hosea: 750-710 BC Micah: 735-710 BC Isaiah: 700-681 BC Nahum: 650 BC Zephaniah: 635-625 BC Habakkuk: 615-605 BC Ezekiel: 590-570 BC Lamentations: 586 BC Jeremiah: 586-570 BC 1 Kings: 561-538 BC 2 Kings: 561-538 BC Judith*: Uncertain (538 BC-AD 70) Daniel: 536-530 BC Haggai: 520 BC Baruch*: 500-100 BC Zechariah: 480-470 BC Ezra: 457-444 BC 1 Chronicles: 450-430 BC 2 Chronicles: 450-430 BC Esther: 450-331 BC Malachi: 433-424 BC Nehemiah: 424-400 BC Susanna*: 400 BC-AD 70 Psalm 151*: 400 BC-AD 100 Letter of Jeremiah*: 307-317 BC Tobit*: 225-175 BC Ben Sira (Sirach)*: 200-175 BC Bel and the Dragon*: 200-100 BC Greek Esther*: 200-1 BC Prayer of Azariah*: 200-1 BC 1 Maccabees*: 150-100 BC 2 Maccabees*: 150-100 BC 1 Esdras*: 100 BC-AD 100 Prayer of Manasseh*: 100-1 BC 3 Maccabees*: 100-1 BC 4 Maccabees*: 100-1 BC Wisdom*: 50-20 BC 2 Esdras**: AD 100-200
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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I've been away overnight and missed a lot of the conversation. Rather than go back over it all, I'll just summarize and drop out of the thread.
Religion is based on primitive superstitions, and all aspects of religion spring from man's own imagination. We invented all of it. Like a web of lies, religions get more and more complicated and improbable over time as they try to explain away contradictions in their own creeds. There is no one right religion because there are no right religions at all; they are all fantasy.
No one can prove there is a god. "It all had to be created by a being" is supposition, not fact. How do you know that unless you yourself are all-knowing?
I'm not all-knowing, but I can think. And I think god is an artifact of man's need to explain what he doesn't understand. And nothing more.
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Learning about god is like learning about Santa. Santa knows when you've been bad or good, brings us gifts, is seemingly immortal, performs miracles, and is taught to children as real. Sounds a whole lot like god, eh? Santa is a construct, a manufactured entity in whom some people believe deeply because their parents told them to believe in him. So is god.
Your Bible is a well-written book, for sure. But it is nothing more than a collection of oral stories and myths - and not a complete one at that because large parts of it were voted out by church rulers. None of it was written down at all until about the year 600, six centuries after this Jesus guy was alleged to have been around and many more centuries after the earliest tales it contains. You know how oral stories change and get embellished when they are retold over and over? That's true of biblical stories, too. Then it was imperfectly translated into language after language, revised, edited, and issued in several versions. Every word literally true? Ha! Use the Bible to prove the truth of god and then use "it's the word of god" to prove the truth of the Bible? That's the worst kind of circular logic.
tikkanut, my friend, I'd be delighted to share a beer and our Utah scenery with you any time. However, we can't say it's there because of a god. It's there - and that's all we can say. Wrong. This is when they were written: James: AD 44-49 Galatians: AD 49-50 Mark: AD 50-60 Matthew: AD 50-60 1 Thessalonians: AD 51 2 Thessalonians: AD 51-52 1 Corinthians: AD 55 2 Corinthians: AD 55-56 Romans: AD 56 Luke: AD 60-61b Ephesians: AD 60-62 Philippians: AD 60-62 Philemon: AD 60-62 Colossians: AD 60-62 Acts: AD 62 1 Timothy: AD 62-64 Titus: AD 62-64 1 Peter: AD 64-65 2 Timothy: AD 66-67 2 Peter: AD 67-68 Hebrews: AD 67-69 Jude: AD 68-70 John: AD 80-90 1 John: AD 90-95 2 John: AD 90-95 3 John: AD 90-95 Revelation: AD 94-96 Job: Considered earliest, but date unknown Genesis: 1445-1405 BC Exodus: 1445-1405 BC Leviticus: 1445-1405 BC Numbers: 1445-1405 BC Deuteronomy: 1445-1405 BC Psalms: 1410-1450 BC Joshua: 1405-1385 BC Judges: 1043 BC Ruth: 1030-1010 BC Song of Songs: 971-965 BC Proverbs: 971-686 BC Ecclesiastes: 940-931 BC 1 Samuel: 931-722 BC 2 Samuel: 931-722 BC Obadiah: 850-840 BC Joel: 835-796 BC Jonah: 775 BC Amos: 750 BC Hosea: 750-710 BC Micah: 735-710 BC Isaiah: 700-681 BC Nahum: 650 BC Zephaniah: 635-625 BC Habakkuk: 615-605 BC Ezekiel: 590-570 BC Lamentations: 586 BC Jeremiah: 586-570 BC 1 Kings: 561-538 BC 2 Kings: 561-538 BC Judith*: Uncertain (538 BC-AD 70) Daniel: 536-530 BC Haggai: 520 BC Baruch*: 500-100 BC Zechariah: 480-470 BC Ezra: 457-444 BC 1 Chronicles: 450-430 BC 2 Chronicles: 450-430 BC Esther: 450-331 BC Malachi: 433-424 BC Nehemiah: 424-400 BC Susanna*: 400 BC-AD 70 Psalm 151*: 400 BC-AD 100 Letter of Jeremiah*: 307-317 BC Tobit*: 225-175 BC Ben Sira (Sirach)*: 200-175 BC Bel and the Dragon*: 200-100 BC Greek Esther*: 200-1 BC Prayer of Azariah*: 200-1 BC 1 Maccabees*: 150-100 BC 2 Maccabees*: 150-100 BC 1 Esdras*: 100 BC-AD 100 Prayer of Manasseh*: 100-1 BC 3 Maccabees*: 100-1 BC 4 Maccabees*: 100-1 BC Wisdom*: 50-20 BC 2 Esdras**: AD 100-200 PROOVE it.
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I've been away overnight and missed a lot of the conversation. Rather than go back over it all, I'll just summarize and drop out of the thread.
Religion is based on primitive superstitions, and all aspects of religion spring from man's own imagination. We invented all of it. Like a web of lies, religions get more and more complicated and improbable over time as they try to explain away contradictions in their own creeds. There is no one right religion because there are no right religions at all; they are all fantasy.
No one can prove there is a god. "It all had to be created by a being" is supposition, not fact. How do you know that unless you yourself are all-knowing?
I'm not all-knowing, but I can think. And I think god is an artifact of man's need to explain what he doesn't understand. And nothing more. Good points - but, just like debating liberals, it is a lost cause...
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“That which can be asserted without proof can be denied without proof” Thus the dire warnings to the non-believers of everlasting hell-fire.
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“Imagine that the sun shone at night, and the moon during the day. And then imagine that everything you knew about Jesus Christ was not true, and that the true God was a living man, with a single eye, a cloak, a wide-brimmed hat. And that this man, Odin, the all-father, knew the secret of every heart, and the destiny of all men. And that he, too, was hanged from a tree, and died and was reborn. Only, it happened a long time before christ. Before our Lord.”
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Man has a transcendent nature, he can imagine that which is not physical. Logically everything that is must have been caused by some being. And that being, having existence, must have been caused by another being. And so on. Until you get to the first being which was not caused by another. An uncaused being. And that being must be unrestricted because there is no superior being to restrict it. And that being we may call god. Or a panoply of gods and dime-gods. But interestingly the uncaused, unrestricted being must be the top dog, like Zeus.
I'm sure Aquinas wasn't the first to come up with this, it sounds very Greek for one thing, though he says it so much better.
So yes there is an innate sense of a god in the sense that innate logical thought leads us as above. i can kinda see where you're coming from with this. the unnameable is.
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Man has a transcendent nature, he can imagine that which is not physical. Logically everything that is must have been caused by some being. And that being, having existence, must have been caused by another being. And so on. Until you get to the first being which was not caused by another. An uncaused being. And that being must be unrestricted because there is no superior being to restrict it. And that being we may call god. Or a panoply of gods and dime-gods. But interestingly the uncaused, unrestricted being must be the top dog, like Zeus.
I'm sure Aquinas wasn't the first to come up with this, it sounds very Greek for one thing, though he says it so much better.
So yes there is an innate sense of a god in the sense that innate logical thought leads us as above. i can kinda see where you're coming from with this. the unnameable is. Aquinas studied the Philosopher, so, it should be no surprise that his Summa sounds Aristotelian (Greek). He said that what we can comprehend as a first cause - given man's limited mind - is "what we call God." Being a Dominican Friar, Catholic Priest, and Doctor of The Church, it should be no surprise that he believed in a God - although it could be argued that he became the aforementioned because he believed in a God. Nevertheless, no one on this planet, and no one in this thread, knows, or can know, if there is, or isn't a God. All anyone can do is believe it, or not. Only the least of minds could endeavor to condemn another that does not comply with what they cannot know. Near the end of his life, after experiencing an epiphany, when he was asked by his assistant to get back to work finishing his Summa Theologica, he said: "I cannot, because all that I have written seems like straw to me," and it was left unfinished. Make of it what you will - you can believe what you want!
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Well, yes. Ultimately faith is a requirement if you believe in free will. A leap of faith. But things like Aquinas' Five Proofs narrows the gap.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
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sure is a lot of talk around here about something that does not exist
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