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[quote=antelope_sniper RJM thinks the .22LR is a better man stopper than a 9mm with modern hollow points.

Of course his calling you out for you "inexperience" doesn't exactly add to his credibility. [/quote]

I don't ever recall advocating for a .22 over a 9mm except when that is all the person can handle...

He made the statement that flies in the face of reality.... Every person shot is different, every shooting is different, different bullets at different velocities act differently....

Also LE isn't in the business of "killing people" they are in the business of "immediate behavior modification" when it come to people/animals that are trying to kill them and/or others and as one of my instructors one said, "the gun is the ultimate behavior modification tool". Unfortunately death is often the result of behavior modification.

I spent 30 years in LE, 15 in Dallas where there were 80+- LE shootings just by DPD Officers a year, plus many more in the D-FW Metroplex plus felons shooting people. If you ask questions you find out what works on the street vs. what looks cool in the lab....

...and your credentials sir.....

Bob

I didn't know anyone trained to shoot em in the leg...

https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4337-Service-Caliber-Handgun-Duty-and-Self-Defense-Ammo
https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/basic-wound-ballistic-terminal-performance-facts

We can argue all day or we can look at the studies done and make our own decisions based on facts.

I don't ever recall advocating for a .22 over a 9mm except when that is all the person can handle...

He made the statement that flies in the face of reality.... Every person shot is different, every shooting is different, different bullets at different velocities act differently....

Also LE isn't in the business of "killing people" they are in the business of "immediate behavior modification" when it come to people/animals that are trying to kill them and/or others and as one of my instructors one said, "the gun is the ultimate behavior modification tool". Unfortunately death is often the result of behavior modification.

I spent 30 years in LE, 15 in Dallas where there were 80+- LE shootings just by DPD Officers a year, plus many more in the D-FW Metroplex plus felons shooting people. If you ask questions you find out what works on the street vs. what looks cool in the lab....

...and your credentials sir.....

Bob
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I don't recall making any knowledge claims based upon personal experience in this thread. I do seem to recall you touting the benefits of a .22lr over larger calibers in a former thread, along with your general know it all cop attitude.

Usually 124 grain Golden Sabres.

"I don't recall making any knowledge claims based upon personal experience in this thread. I do seem to recall you touting the benefits of a .22lr over larger calibers in a former thread, along with your general know it all cop attitude."

Any time you can find that statement please post it.... I never carry a .22 except occasionally walking around my neighborhood where a larger caliber might ricochet into a house off the pavement and only advocate carrying a .22 when one can handle nothing bigger....

...and my "attitude" is based on experience and observation, not InterNet BS....

What does “traditional” bullet designs mean to you?

That looks dangerously close to the 22's RJM was talking about when the last 2 guys he saw drop from non CNS hits, might be a good bullet...

we seem to be having fun with the .22lr. back a long time ago the only real handgun i had for the house was a ruger mark I.
i always figured a full mag of that in somebody's face probably would make them leave.

I have in my collection a little hi standard, only made for a couple of years in WWII. Had a ring around the barrel where a silencer at one time sat. They were used by O.S.S. and others. No problem sticking it in somebodies ear and pulling the trigger. I think the israeli's have some experience with this too. they can be nasty when they roll around in somebodies chest cavity.

LOL, me either, pelvic region, hip sockets might be another story, thinking a bg would fold up pretty quick, had that in mind when I was talking about Dirtfarmers little 380 awhile ago.

No Leighheighs, Underwoods or other "trick" or "gimmick" designs.

In other words, I have a preference for modern jacketed hollow points in typical for caliber bullets weights designed and tested by credible manufacturers.

Lehigh Defense makes no "trick" or "gimmick" projectiles. They do make bullets for knowledgeable shooters and handloaders. Underwood uses them.

While I prefer HSTs and Gold Dots for carry, their Extreme Penetrators have found a place in my 45-70 Bear Defense rounds to keep my cast heavies...woke.

SJ,

There seems to be some debate regarding Lehighs as a defensive projectile in the 9mm, so until we have more real work data, I'll stick to rounds resembling those you mentioned for carry purposes.

If we are discussing Lehighs for hunting, such as in your 45-70, or in a subsonic .300 Blackout for killing pigs, well, that's a different discussion. Some of their hunting bullets look pretty interesting.

antelope sniper...well armed with kind words.

Thank you SJ.

Underwood doesn't make bullets - they sell ammo loaded with other companies bullets, like Gold Dots for example. They are a good source for high quality ammo that performs as advertised, unlike some of the others that don't meet their velocity claims.

Pretty easy to start getting carried away with emotion on the keyboard trying to get a point across. Go back & read what RJM is telling you, he doesn't brag but he's giving a lot of good advice every time he speaks so take the time to listen. With just about any gun, caliber or bullet he can offer sage advice to all of us, that's a fact. Don't even get me started on what he can do with a six gun at long range.

Dick

I'm packing the new 69 grain depleted uranium frangible hollow point penetrators at 1500 fps from UnderLehigh. I've been hanging out in the sleasiest part of town but I haven't been able to shoot anyone yet so I can't comment on their effectiveness.
Maybe I'll get me some meat to shoot or some of that ballistic jello stuff if I can't find somebody that needs shooting.
I'll be sure and report back.

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