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David, if you can shoot a pine tree down with #71/2 shot then surely at close range even a mensa member should be able to deduct that its power is indisputably destructive. However I have to give you the benefit of the doubt in this discussion as reading comprehension seems to be a bit outside of your wheelhouse.

It's a 20" AR, the same length and lighter than the M16s we successfully used countless times clearing buildings in Kuwait in 1991. If you can't defend a dwelling with a 20" barreled AR, you're doing something wrong.

Did you really just string the words "5.56" and "recoil sensitive" together?

I can add a little to what Digital Dan and MontanaMan said, lab coat guy showed me some pics and let me read a report, it was of a well deserved that caught a full load of 12 bore buckshot in the spine just above the belt line, he of course died on the spot, the puzzling part to me was that 'both' of hips were knocked out of socket, call it what you may, or what it is, i don't know, I can only come up with massive force, momentum.

Up close, a 12 gauge shotgun is a hell of a payload for a humanoid to inherit.

Not to get in your argument... but trees are not elastic tissue. # 7 1/2 birdshot penetrates about 4 inches inside of a room in tissue.

And a heart is about half that distance behind the skin

People only stand directly facing you, and they are always emancipated?

I really shouldn't but that's never stopped me before...

Knew of 3 shotgun deaths in my life, from the yard to the porch, homeowner died but not sure of shot size. 20 gauge across a kitchen table, 8 shot let daylight through a man's chest. 00 buck into a man at 30 yards, autopsy showed one pellet penetrated a lung causing the death.

As I said before I got pistols stashed about the house and a good M1 Benelli in the safe along with 00 and #4 buck but I'm grabbing my Colt 6720 if I can.

Hawk, must be the pic, it looks like a 24" gun to me.

No problem. It's fairly compact, recoils fairly little, holds 21 rounds, and makes massive debilitating wound channels.

This one after penetrating through more than 2-feet of an animal:


I wont be thinking of noise and over-penetration if someone, in my home, is trying harm my family. Big holes through the intruder(s) likely leaves flattened lead slugs that won't inadvertently strike neighbors that aren't that nearby.

Irrelevant alert: Aside from self defense, it is more accurate than all but a few of my bolt rifles. I can get under 1/2" groups from it. Same with the NRA:

"This GII Hunter I tested blew me away with its accuracy. I was primarily testing that rifle for our sister publication American Hunter and didn't even plan to include it in this article, but the performance is too impressive to ignore. American Hunter uses three, three-shots groups with three different loads as a test protocol. With the Black Hills 168-gr. load, the first group measured 0.30". That was the best, but the average of three groups was 0.47". The average for all nine groups was 0.80". From an out-of-the-box AR-L shooting factory ammunition, that is very impressive accuracy." https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/1/5/downsizing-dpms-gii-ars/

Part of the 1-gun philosophy I accept. Like many ARs I am intimately familiar with, this one feels like an extension of my body. I wouldn't want to be an intruder in my home if I had it in my hands even if it is 4-inches longer than an M4.

Plenty of people have successfully defended their homes with much longer hunting rifles. This one is fairly compact and ferociously deadly.

Damn fine rifle.

In the end my benelli is in the safe, but the 6920 is in my room, the point I was making is a shotgun will blow a large hole thru you at point blank range, I know a guy whose brother shot his leg off at the knee rabbit hunting walking behind him and had an AD with a 12 gauge. This is not fudd crap its just a fact that at point black range to I think about 10-12 feet a center chest wound with bird shot would not be survivable, the heart would be destroyed.

Just what this thread needs is a Civil War angle.

But of course! They are so enlightened when they first see me.

I think you meant "constipated".

Anyway, I never suggested the use of 7-1/2 shot. Only Oddball uses that stuff .

oddball. I take offense at that. LOL. Not that I'd be the one with some birdshot in the gun at times... doesn't bother me in our small house, but then again its often holding #4 buck. But the AR is right there.

Off to the penetration AR thing, I could care less really, but FWIW, 69 BTHP SMKs, go all the way through a side by side refrigerator at about 300 steps or so... I was trying to foul a barrel before NTIT practice at home once... so I dumped a 10 round mag into an OLD fridge, IE probably about as old as S/S come... so still fairly well built... I was amazed later to go to the creek and find 10 exit holes...And th 69s do expand because I'm not afraid to shoot game with them if thats what I have in the mag....

One could almost say, a gun, its a good thing to have...

Relying on 4" of penetration, because you plan on only needing 2" of penetration, to stop someone who has invaded your home, is insane.

And you don't even have to be emaciated to have your vitals buried deeper than that. Good grief.

Who's doin' that?

DUMBdreaux,

Your ability to miss the obvious,is simply mind numbing in it's STUPIDITY...you "lucky" kchunt. Congratulations?!?

Bless your heart for Crying.

Hint.

LAUGHING!...............

This might be handier and if you’re David the shepherd boy, pretty effective. It did deter a big pit bull in my yard one day when one of these ~ 35 cal ball bearings caught him in the butt at about 25 yards.

The knife on the left? Poor last chance.

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