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Haha!


Wonder how long it will take him to change his screen name and ask all the same questions again??

Non-citizens should not be allowed to own any property in the U.S. I couldn't agree more.

You are right, in that property taxes are abhorrent and I'd like to see them abolished too. You never really own it if the government can take it back for failure to pay taxes. My post was simply an idea to work within the framework that already exists to quell a problem. And though it's a view I genuinely hold, I thought maybe it'd poke some eyes.

Good question. Might depend how many get spun up on this one lol.

Denver is like LA now. Full of democrats screwing up the state laws. People crapping on the sidewalks. Drugs and homeless all over. They have magazine restrictions. They want to shut down hunting. They want wolves in the state here too. Just a few problems brought here. The latest is the sex education brought to schools in grades 1-6 about lesbians, gays and transvestites Denver has enough people voting to control the state. And that doesn't count the illegal sanctuary city problems.

You got that right.

Fortunately (for me) the majority of that influx of west coast "conservatives" is in southern ID.

As one who travels to Colorado regularly, it has been very sad to see this devolution. It's like they got done with Portland and Seattle and then decided, "let's do the same to Denver". It is very sad. I have always maintained that if they divided the U.S. in half and forced the conservatives to live in one half and the liberals to live in the other half and allowed them to run things as they chose, two things would happen. First, people in the liberal side would start migrating to the conservative side. Second, those migrants from the liberal side to the conservative side would immediately start trying to change the conservative side to be like the liberal side was. Oh, a third thing would happen, people on the conservative side would stay put.

You missed my sarcastic point. They have to pay taxes where they earn the money, and at "home". He may already be paying double taxes, and you want him to pay even more of his "fair share". That's hypocritical.

Experience talking?

Probably still some folks there PO'd at you buying up that nice place with all that NV money.

Fortunately for us, they probably are happy my wife and I settled here in this part of Cali. Population has been stable to decreasing for years. We brought money from some of the several (5-6?) states we've lived in since we graduated from college years ago.

Sure seems like there's some relatively Anti-American thinking going on here. Man has money to spend, last I checked it's a freedom loving country, an association of entities called States with rules that allow free movement of citizens and commerce between them, no?

I certainly understand whoever it was that mentioned AZ "conservatives" doing all they can to turn their state into what they don't like. They love the money that comes with all that growth they propose and support, but don't like it when the folks with money show up and try to make it to their liking.

To the OP, if you're for real, and not a troll as some suggest, do what you need to do after researching it.

Because I love the desert, love AZ and like to hunt and fish there, if I was richer than I am I'd probably buy 40 acres outside a small community and put a trailer out there so I could escape here when I need to. And if I was really rich I'd buy some land back where the whitetail rats and feral hogs are so I could hunt more often than living out here in the west where tags are sometimes hard to come by.

America, gotta love it....................and all the free thinking that comes with it.

Geno

Calguns.net is littered with Kali ex-pats that moved to the Gem state.

I have no doubt that it is but I don't think you'll argue the fact that areas west coasters (notice I didn't single out Californians) migrate to become more liberal.

Or do you think the residents of CO, ID, MT, WY, TX, etc are just making that chit up?

Sucks for the good guys trying to escape but it's the reality of the situation.

Caliotoeians love it when their chit is smeared into other places.
For the most part they don't really want to escape it, they like to bring it with them

I'd have to admit, you have that correct. Some just cannot shut they're mouths, keep they're politics and ideals to themselves. Then, you have some that simply, seamlessly fit right in. And don't bother anyone. Just want to be left alone.

Right now I am splitting my time between CA and MT. I'd be in MT full time but for my parents, who are in a nursing home in the Bay Area, so I have to be in CA a lot to help them.

Whether or not OP was trolling, the question is one I faced a few years ago. I ended up buying the land and having a hunting cabin built. For the first year, I flew to Montana about once a month for hunting and just enjoying freedom. The problem was that the more time I spent in Montana, the less I wanted to be in California and we ended up buying a house in Bozeman (I know, but we got a great deal on a beautiful old house that my wife fell in love with), then a vehicle for when we're in Montana, then all the furniture for the house, etc.

The point being, the odds of saving money by having hunting land in Montana while still living in CA are very low. Between travel costs and all the other expenses of maintaining two residences in different states, you ain't gonna come out ahead financially.

Also, while I hate CA for many things, there's still acceptable hunting opportunities in the state. My cousins live up near Lake Shasta and they do pretty well with deer hunting and fishing, all on public land. The state still makes life difficult for sportsmen, but all in all, they have good lives (thanks, in large part, to local government refusing to abide by the more draconian nonsense that the state pushes, such as CCW issuances). If I were planning to continue living and working in CA (which I'm not), I'd save the money that the OP intends to use to buy land in MT/WY and use it for out of state tag fees and maybe even guided hunts.

There is an element of that argument which is undeniable.

Its very easy though for born and bred locals to blame transplants for their problems when its actually a cultural liberalism which over long periods of time that have infected all parts of our institutions yes even in steadfast conservative strongholds.

No argument what so ever about the slow liberal drip drip drip in our institutions.

It does seem that the influx tends to speed things up though.

It's complex........too hard for me to sort out so I mostly stay home and drink and eat cheese these days.

If you don't mind, please expound on what Anti-American thinking is going on thus far pre-dating your post.

BGG,
Hope all is well up there. Not trying to offend anyone, just certain attitudes hit me as incongruent with American ideals, as I understand them.

Telling a person not to spend his "California" money on an item he wants (land) in another member State of the Union seems to me to be a bit Anti- American. Of course, speaking one's mind is as American as can be too.

Should he not have the right to spend his money where he wants?

I see the point some are making about foreigners investing in American land, but not a fellow American.

Free movement between the states, for business and pleasure, seems to be one of those things I learned about in history classes. No need for "papers" etc. I think the line of thinking I'm describing helped settle this country, no? Folks buying or homesteading land in another State or Territory and bringing their upbringing and customs with them perhaps should be tolerated at least?

Geno

Well said, FatCity.

All is exceedingly well Geno, hope your high desert bit o' real estate is treating you well today. FWIW no offense taken here at all. I enjoy fleshing out arguments among friends.

Any of us (American citizens that is) can and should be able to spend out hard or easy earned dollars any way we see fit. I did not say otherwise. My contention (and I tried to make a point not to single Cali out as I know how sensitive you gals are ) is simply that if a guy/gal wants there little slice of rural heaven, then cool. Live there. Oh, you mean the winters are cold? Or the summers are hot? Or maybe it's fit for a weekend here or there but certainly not to live full time as there aren't enough or the right kind of stores there? Then bugger off. If it's that magical, that amazing then simply live there. If you are unwilling, then I guess it ain't so magical eh?

Otherwise what happens is absentee owners come in with out of state money, drive the price up on real estate (because although it's a pittance compared to where they live and work it's higher than local wages can afford), and voila you have a shidty situation. I'm not local to this area, or even this state. My kids are though, and I have trouble seeing a way for them to be able to afford to live here, if they so choose.

I'm sure there's several hundred holes in my position, and I'm willing to hear the other point of view.

This ^^^
They dont only screw up the politics.