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Ask them why they signed up, to serve their country or their government. All the military guys i've worked with and still work with didn't join to protect the government, we've had that conversation several times.


"Why" they signed up has nothing to do with it.

What matters is what lies those in control will tell them to get their bidding done.

Don't say it's not been done before... The Intelligence community told us all that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

How many loyal, red blooded boys died over that lie?

What kind of argument is that? Take those same boys and tell them to go help confiscate firearms from their fellow citizens and see what happens.



You are not hearing what I'm saying...

They will be lied to.

They will be told that they are fighting "domestic terrorists" that will mean the end of our country if not stopped.

That has already happened.

We just passed another anniversary of Ruby Ridge...

I would really hope that all LEO's and military have at least the discernment to know they are being lied to when the goal is to confiscate all the guns in America owned by private citizens. They know what 2A is and means.


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Wait until the somewhat anti-gun public is educated on the killing power and long range capabilities of a scoped bolt action deer rifle. I can hear it now "these weapons aren't necessary for hunting, they can easily shred a human heart at 500 yards".


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I'd say the vast majority will not but some will. Defending the Constitution is the first thing we are sworn to protect in our military oath.


Yes. But I wonder how many veterans there are anymore.


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I'd say the vast majority will not but some will. Defending the Constitution is the first thing we are sworn to protect in our military oath.


Yes. But I wonder how many veterans there are anymore.
There are many and we gain more and more every day.


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. . . Did we hear even one story of any of those police chiefs quitting, or multiple officers walking out and defying those orders?


I didn't think so...


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I heard the same thing about San Francisco and some other big cities. Actually what I read said it was bad enough that some major Police Departments are lowering their hiring standards and actually recruiting among minorities and mid eastern immigrants. That kinda information doesn't do much for the confidence of a white conservative Christian military vet with a houseful of guns! eek
Every body knows that guys like that are on the watch list, not the hood rats and jihadists!
What the democrats and the leftist seem to be forgetting in their rush to disarm people, is that there were two separate revolutions began on this continent when government overreach attempted to disarm the people. Once in 1775, and again in Texas 60 years later.
They may think that they can get away with it without major bloodshed. I think an awful lot of gun owners are getting fed up with government corruption and state interference in personal lives that aren't going to turn in something that was totally legal and fun just a couple weeks ago.
True, it's happened in a few other countries, but many Americans realize we have the right, and many more of us grew up in the firearms culture.
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Originally Posted by RickyD

I would really hope that all LEO's and military have at least the discernment to know they are being lied to when the goal is to confiscate all the guns in America owned by private citizens. They know what 2A is and means.


You'd think they would know who and what Antifa was too, when instructed not to interfere with them.

Or the race riots... BLM.

At what point do you NOT arrest the thugs burning police cars and throwing Molotov cocktails?


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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Ask them why they signed up, to serve their country or their government. All the military guys i've worked with and still work with didn't join to protect the government, we've had that conversation several times.


"Why" they signed up has nothing to do with it.

What matters is what lies those in control will tell them to get their bidding done.

Don't say it's not been done before... The Intelligence community told us all that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

How many loyal, red blooded boys died over that lie?

What kind of argument is that? Take those same boys and tell them to go help confiscate firearms from their fellow citizens and see what happens.



You are not hearing what I'm saying...

They will be lied to.

They will be told that they are fighting "domestic terrorists" that will mean the end of our country if not stopped.

That has already happened.

We just passed another anniversary of Ruby Ridge...


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Originally Posted by hardin284
If they won’t maybe the blue hats will

And thats who they will use. The blue hats families don't live here. If it gets really nasty they will be concerned against reprisals again LEO houses.
It will be a terrible time in our history. I dont see it happening that way. They will just make it so hard to own most will give it up. They will just keep
Whittling away and demonizing gun owners. Brain washing the kids. A generation or two and they win by attrition not a shot fired.


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Watch how China controls their population and you’ll see how the U.S. will eventually do it. China has their new “social credit” system that’s designed to blacklist people that don’t conform with state dictates but haven’t really done anything be locked up for. In the U.S. we have similar ways of screwing with people. Just label someone a child molester or drug dealer and they’re persona non grata no matter the details of the situation. Never mind that the child molester might be an 18 year old that was having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. I know a guy who’s 19 year old son got a dishonorable discharge from the Air Force because a 16 year old emailed him a tittie picture, he spent a year in jail and is now a felon/sex offender and unemployable. Try getting a decent job with a DUI on your record, it’s almost impossible.

They don’t need to knock down your door and take your guns, just isolate you and screw with you so you can’t live your life.

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There are many veterans who believe in the constitution, but there are many others in law enforcement and military who have never been taught about such things as God given rights and personal responsibility. Much of our public school system has given up religion and teaching in order to indoctrinate children into accepting socialism and government supervision.
We who believe in our rights and our oath to a constitutional republic are getting older and fewer every day.
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The fact that this thread has already gone 7 pages in 3 hours makes me a little sick at my stomach. smirk


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Wait until the somewhat anti-gun public is educated on the killing power and long range capabilities of a scoped bolt action deer rifle. I can hear it now "these weapons aren't necessary for hunting, they can easily shred a human heart at 500 yards".

Easily. 800 yards takes a little more concentration.


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Seven???
Did you learn to count in a public school?? grin
Actually, I find it kind of tin foil worthy myself, but it's pretty hard to deny that the public in general, and conservatives in particular, are being played.
I always thought the leftist and commies would wait a little while for us conservatives to die off before they launched the final assault. But current events and the democratic presidential candidates tell me they're getting impatient. Better to paint us as racist and bitter villains and force us to disarm so we can be silenced more easily.
As the saying goes, "just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean nobody's out to get you"!
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I would bet a lot of money that there are very few LEOs, Federal, State, and Local, and military members today, who have ever read the Constitution of the United States of America.

I'd also bet a lot of politicians today have never read it other than to perhaps skim a few lines.

So when the politicians tell them to "enforce" their gun confiscation laws, they'll mainly say, "Okay. Saddle up boys & girls. We're going after some incredibly dangerous and well armed criminals. Don't take any chances."

Just my opinion, based on my knowledge of Human Nature, history, and power mad politicians.

Anyone who thinks this could not happen should just go back a few pages and watch the video of what the cops and military did to honest gun owners in New Orleans after Katrina.

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I haven’t read all the replies but in my opinion the military would be far less likely to go around confiscating legally owned firearms while I believe most cops would be happy to do the “dirty work”. They relish playing dress up and using their APC’s. Getting the chance to pop off a few hundred rounds at us “bad guys” only increases their willingness.

The FBI wants so badly to shoot citizens that they’ll create situations that virtually guarantee them the opportunity to shoot it out. Lavoy Finicum, Ruby Ridge, Waco, and countless less reported cases are all the proof we need.


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The "some will, some won't" opinion makes me wonder - will one side take arms against the other? Will a LEO take a stand for the 2A, but only as far as frowning when his coworkers pillage the neighborhood?


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Originally Posted by JOG
The "some will, some won't" opinion makes me wonder - will one side take arms against the other? Will a LEO take a stand for the 2A, but only as far as frowning when his coworkers pillage the neighborhood?


I don’t see most cops doing anything more than frowning if they don’t take an active role in confiscation. They’ll still need to collect the King’s ransom so those that don’t want to be assigned the special detail will simply continue writing busted taillight and speeding tickets. Eventually they’ll feel left out because they won’t get the cool trucks and toys or the fame that the confiscation squad gets and they’ll volunteer so as to get those perks and privileges and not feel left out of the action.


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Originally Posted by JOG
The "some will, some won't" opinion makes me wonder - will one side take arms against the other? Will a LEO take a stand for the 2A, but only as far as frowning when his coworkers pillage the neighborhood?



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Originally Posted by AkMtnHntr
What kind of argument is that? Take those same boys and tell them to go help confiscate firearms from their fellow citizens and see what happens.

They won't be identified as "fellow citizens." They will be told these are the very worst of the worst, white supremacist, domestic terrorists that they're going up against.

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Originally Posted by Esox357
Bull [bleep], i know plenty military and leos. An unlawful order is still unlawful. I know many who would not enforce it.



And I know many who would, and that's all it takes.


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