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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: beretzs] #14340114 12/05/19
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Originally Posted by beretzs
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I ordered some of those Bitterroot Bonded Cores from a friend on the fire, they were lost in the mail and we never recovered them... Made me sad as I really wanted to use them..


I got lucky, cause a couple folks like Bob and RinB were able to stock me up pretty well and I did decent searching a few online places. Got a decent stash of ones I know I’ll use. If you have have a certain cartridge in mind, let me know and I’ll send you some. I don’t mind sharing a few. I don’t shoot groups with them, I just work up my load with a Partition, match speed with the BBC and fire a group at 300 with the Partitions and a BBC. So far it’s been pretty easy.


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I ordered some of those Bitterroot Bonded Cores from a friend on the fire, they were lost in the mail and we never recovered them... Made me sad as I really wanted to use them..

Where are you guys getting ole Billy's bullets? Were they actually any good?


Those bullets probably haven't been made in about 15-20 years. As far as how good they are, depends on who you ask I guess. I treat them like I was taught by Bob, shoot them fast, through fast twist guns that run them hard and they are WICKED game bullets. They will not lose more than a few grains weight no matter what you shoot them in. The bonding, copper and lead used to build them was first class. Bob said you cannot drive them too fast and I believe them. I have fired 132 grain bullets out of my 7mm Mashburn at 3600 and they came out about as perfect as they come, holding onto nearly a 3/4" frontal area while only shedding 10-15 grains of weight loss.

I have been using the 175's out of an 8 twist Mashburn recently and the wound channels are unreal. Like a Berger or AMax but you would usually find a balled up bullet in the far side. That big frontal area will usually limit it in exits on heavy hided animals like elk, but to be honest, I don't care. I have had more one shot DRT's on chest his with BBC's than with anything else.

They aren't boattail match bullets though, so most folks wouldn't shoot them today if they could. For me, I like them, they work at the 0-500 ranges I hunt in. They shoot like a Partition so I usually load 10 BBC's and 20 Partitions when I go hunting and come home with 9 BBC's most times and all the Partitions. Sorry for the long rant, but if you find them, buy them, I will always take them. A 100 BBC's will last me a long time. I could probably use 20 of them to figure out my load and have 15 left to kill with. But again, I am not shooting steel with them or stuff like that, they just get planted into fur.

Are you talking about my Mentor, Bob Faucett?


Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: beretzs] #14340133 12/05/19
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The BBC bullets were excellent, Bob Hagel's favorite. The Kodiak bullet is the closest I have found to the original BBC with the Woodleigh a close second.

I had several long phone conversations with Bill Steigers about buying his company and working with him before he retired. He basically talked me out of it saying that I would work all the time for minimum wages and that he would want a whole lot of money for the name and the rights. I still wonder if he did me a favor or not?

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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14340977 12/05/19
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I agree Tejano, those, along with the Northforks were close to a BBC.

I thought the same when I spoke with Bill. I almost feel like the old codger didn’t think anyone could make them as well as him. Matter of fact, the only person he taught that I’m aware of is Grizzly Bullets. They are identical to BBCs and I’m lucky to have a few 100 of the .358 250 grain Bullets waiting for the new Newton to get built.

7.62, no I’m speaking about Bobby Farese.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: beretzs] #14341553 12/05/19
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Originally Posted by beretzs
Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
I ordered some of those Bitterroot Bonded Cores from a friend on the fire, they were lost in the mail and we never recovered them... Made me sad as I really wanted to use them..


I got lucky, cause a couple folks like Bob and RinB were able to stock me up pretty well and I did decent searching a few online places. Got a decent stash of ones I know I’ll use. If you have have a certain cartridge in mind, let me know and I’ll send you some. I don’t mind sharing a few. I don’t shoot groups with them, I just work up my load with a Partition, match speed with the BBC and fire a group at 300 with the Partitions and a BBC. So far it’s been pretty easy.

I wonder what happened to Bob's substantial stash of BBC's after he passed? I Sure miss having Bob around.

Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: BWalker] #14342095 12/06/19
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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
I ordered some of those Bitterroot Bonded Cores from a friend on the fire, they were lost in the mail and we never recovered them... Made me sad as I really wanted to use them..


I got lucky, cause a couple folks like Bob and RinB were able to stock me up pretty well and I did decent searching a few online places. Got a decent stash of ones I know I’ll use. If you have have a certain cartridge in mind, let me know and I’ll send you some. I don’t mind sharing a few. I don’t shoot groups with them, I just work up my load with a Partition, match speed with the BBC and fire a group at 300 with the Partitions and a BBC. So far it’s been pretty easy.

I wonder what happened to Bob's substantial stash of BBC's after he passed? I Sure miss having Bob around.


He actually didn't have a ton of them left over when he passed. I have a decent stash of 250 BBC's for my 375 that came from him. He had a decent stash of 130's for the 270 and 160's for his Mashburn. He'd kinda paired down most of his stuff to what he used the most.

And AMEN to missing him around here and in real life. This time of the year was the best to call and jaw jack with him. Or heck, really anytime of the year. Except for Spring and Summer... Good luck catching him much then, he was usually fishing like a maniac!

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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14342179 12/06/19
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BFaucett passed? when???


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They are talking about BobinNH.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: beretzs] #14342377 12/06/19
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Originally Posted by beretzs


7.62, no I’m speaking about Bobby Farese.



^^^^^ On This Same Page.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14342397 12/06/19
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Got it, thank you.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14342443 12/06/19
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I find the 338 much more pleasant to shoot then any 300 win or wby mag. It's not even close.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: shinbone] #14343274 12/06/19
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Originally Posted by shinbone



Bottom line: you can easily go down to a 150gn bullet in your 300WM. Fast, flat, and deadly!

JMHO


While I agree that you should go with a bullet weight in a mono that gives high terminal velocity, that 150 gr 308 bullet leaves a lot to be desired at long range for wind drift due to piss poor BC.

As to the 300 vs 338, I've had both & as many as 5 338's at one time.

In equal weight rifles with comparable bullet weights for caliber, recoil is similar as is trajectory, regardless of what some may think. There are some very high BC 250 gr bullets available for the 338.

I will take the 338 all day, every day, & as others have pointed out, it works fine in a 22" barrel.

I've had it in very light Brown Precision stocks which is fine for hunting & brutal from a bench, wood stocks, & McM stocks. I prefer a heavier synthetic stock like a McM, & then recoil is not an issue IMO.

The stock that I like best is the Sako Classic with regular fill.

And if you decide to step up to hunting bear after the elk & moose, I most certainly prefer the 338.

Most that I've had are easy to load for & accurate.

IMO, To get the most out of a 300, you need a long action with a long magazine & the rifle throated to seat bullets out further than standard throats & magazines usually allow.

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Really the same is true of a .338.. I have shot sheep to 500 yards with my .300 shot in 3"high, it drops less than two feet at 500.. I rarely shoot that far but this was a do or die situation.. I have killed several elk at 400 with the same combo.. .338's are fine, but for my hunting they just don't cut it.. I have several 300's all excellent shooters.. My .338's have gone down the road, do have one .340.. I like it better than the .338.. But don't rely on it very much..


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For 15-20 years or so, I had both: several different versions of .300 magnums, as well as a couple of different .338 mags. During that period, one or both usually went with me to elk camp each year. Without checking my hunting journal, I would guess that I shot about half a dozen bull elk with each caliber during that time period.

I have never shot an elk much beyond 300 yards, and most have been between 100 and 200. If there was discernible difference in terminal performance between the two calibers, I never noticed it. The first bull that I shot with a .338 Win Mag (at about 20 yards) ran just about as far as any of those that I have killed with three different iterations of .300 mags.

When I reached my mid- 60s, I got tired of the recoil from the .338s, and I traded them off. When I turned 75, I gave my last .300 Win Mag to my stepson.

These days, I hunt elk with either a .30-06 or an improved version of the .338-06, and I am already thinking about just using a 6.5 PRC for all my big game hunting.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14343505 12/06/19
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Different strokes for different folks. I am not a trained sniper nor do I need to shoot beyond 300 yards, so the 338 is the better tool for my hunting. Better terminal performance with less powder and still very flat trajectory. Besides, if the 30-06 and 375 H&H could make a love child, it would be the 338 WM. For the biggest animals in NA, it's perfect.

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As per always,bullets matter wayyyyyyyy the fhuqk more than headstamps. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The 250gr .338" will grant a .685 BC,which very much pales to .30cal 225gr .777 BC or 230gr .823 BC...or the 250gr .878 BC. Hint.

No need to stretch a throat,though it's a common misconception. (3) different projectiles,to a like Smooch,in the same rifle...though yielding grossly different COAL. Hint.

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Pass the 7mm's and hold the Fluff. Hint.

Bless your hearts for trying though.

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Originally Posted by Big Stick
As per always,bullets matter wayyyyyyyy the fhuqk more than headstamps. Hint. Congratulations?!?

The 250gr .338" will grant a .685 BC,which very much pales to .30cal 225gr .777 BC or 230gr .823 BC...or the 250gr .878 BC. Hint.

No need to stretch a throat,though it's a common misconception. (3) different projectiles,to a like Smooch,in the same rifle...though yielding grossly different COAL. Hint.

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Pass the 7mm's and hold the Fluff. Hint.

Bless your hearts for trying though.

Hint.

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Would you mind sharing some pics of elk you’ve killed with 7mm “hold the fluff”? Obliged

PS, surely you have copious amounts of pics, since you are such a “camera” guy... laffin


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Here, for example, I’ll get us started... sub .2 bc...
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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14349580 12/07/19
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Originally Posted by pharmvet
I’ve been browsing the net looking for a Ruger all weather Skeketon stock in .300 Win Mag for Elk and possibly Moose. Haven’t seen one in .300 Win Mag but there are a few .338 Win Mag for sale. This has me thinking......

How do you compare these two? Would you choose one over the other? Ammo availability / price? Recoil comparison?’any and all info is we scones. I have no experience with either caliber. Thanks!


Compare? As far as absolute killing ability most bottleneck cartridges from 6.5 swede to 375H&H are good for everything in North America. Major differences in performance are probably due to marksmanship more than ballistics. You don't need a 300 or 338 for moose and elk, a 3006 is plenty. Now if you want it that is another story...

I have not noticed a difference in "killing ability" until I use my 45 70 or my 416 Rigby. When I shoot a bear with the Rigby they just drop.

Where I live and hunt the ammo is equally available, I handload so that is a moot point for me.

Recoil, to me, about the same. If I had to describe it I would say the 300 is more of a punch and the 338 is more of a shove.

As I said they are both effective. I prefer the 338 for the heavier bullet which I have found flies longer, hit's harder, and is effected less by wind than a 300. Drop is moot because one memorizes the drop of your load and bullet and have that holdover, whether it is 7 or 14 inches is not material.

Variety is good, but I would be very attentive to how a stock fit me in those two cartridges.

Good luck with your quest.

Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: okie john] #14349769 12/07/19
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Originally Posted by okie john
Both are excellent cartridges that will do a great job for you. Both also kick pretty hard, so you’ll need a well-designed stock with a good recoil pad. A Ruger boat-paddle stock is not where I’d start.


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