If you knew jackshit about what was going on you would understand that Trump was calling on Ukraine to RESUME investigations into corruption involving Burisma and Biden's cokehead offspring. Those investigations began years ago, but Joe Biden himself pressured Ukraine into suspending those investigations and told them they had some hours to do so or else foreign aid money slated for Ukraine would be withheld (which interestingly enough is the tactic they falsely accuse Trump of using). There is videotape of Biden himself bragging about doing this.
Biden's status as a politician does not confer immunity from criminal investigation whether or not he's a presidential candidate.
Get your head out of your ass.
Long read and a lot more information regarding Ukraine than you have seen.
...............It does not matter from ANY LEGAL standpoint or from ANY Constitutional standpoint, what ANY timeline was or is, or anything else regarding ANY timeline. Totally IRRELEVANT.........
Based on the reaction to Trump's impeachment it is clear that you guys are just gonna hate when he's indicted by the New York District Attorney. Trump's attorneys are begging the Supreme Court not to let it happen but the Court may rule tomorrow not to accept his petition for review.
Gosh, I just hope Trump doesn't do anything to harm himself like Epstein did once he gets indicted. He's not very strong, you know.
...Well Rolling Turds........Your predictions like Paddler's predictions have yet to come true.........You both are zero for hundreds........GREAT JOB IDIOT!
The GOP is also zero for hundreds on Hillary Clinton, but we know she was dirty as anyone else, maybe more so. So what's your point?
Those subpoena's issued by the house were not legal subpoena's , they were purposely mislabeled to appear as subpoena's..... another key phrase.. executive privilege... educate yourself, if you people can't see this is political and not legal you are fuggin morons not worth the powder to blow you to hell and are a threat to a constitutional republic and all free men..... FOAD
Can you cite a source for those subpoena's not being legal? I searched but can not find anything except it seems a lot of folks are taking them seriously. I did see that the latest decision on Don McGahn's subpoena . . . Trump's latest effort to block it failed. Notably, that is not even a subpoena under the impeachment role, which holds even more weight. Maybe you need to tell that judge to educate himself on executive privilege? Or just maybe, he understands the concept of checks and balances.
I hope there were conditions to the aid.....I’d be worried if there wasn’t.
There were conditions. To get our tax money they had to hire Hunter and protect and pay Hunter exhorbitantly so Daddy Joe could get part of our money as a kickback. Sheesh.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
Based on the reaction to Trump's impeachment it is clear that you guys are just gonna hate when he's indicted by the New York District Attorney. Trump's attorneys are begging the Supreme Court not to let it happen but the Court may rule tomorrow not to accept his petition for review.
Gosh, I just hope Trump doesn't do anything to harm himself like Epstein did once he gets indicted. He's not very strong, you know.
...Well Rolling Turds........Your predictions like Paddler's predictions have yet to come true.........You both are zero for hundreds........GREAT JOB IDIOT!
The GOP is also zero for hundreds on Hillary Clinton, but we know she was dirty as anyone else, maybe more so. So what's your point?
.............My point? NONE of any of the Trump hater's predictions on this forum have come true. That is my point
Hillary? Her corruption is well known and her time for accountability may not be over.
If you knew jackshit about what was going on you would understand that Trump was calling on Ukraine to RESUME investigations into corruption involving Burisma and Biden's cokehead offspring. Those investigations began years ago, but Joe Biden himself pressured Ukraine into suspending those investigations and told them they had some hours to do so or else foreign aid money slated for Ukraine would be withheld (which interestingly enough is the tactic they falsely accuse Trump of using). There is videotape of Biden himself bragging about doing this.
Biden's status as a politician does not confer immunity from criminal investigation whether or not he's a presidential candidate.
Get your head out of your ass.
Long read and a lot more information regarding Ukraine than you have seen.
...............It does not matter from ANY LEGAL standpoint or from ANY Constitutional standpoint, what ANY timeline was or is, or anything else regarding ANY timeline. Totally IRRELEVANT.........
That one interpretation, other interpretations say that it does matter.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
If you knew jackshit about what was going on you would understand that Trump was calling on Ukraine to RESUME investigations into corruption involving Burisma and Biden's cokehead offspring. Those investigations began years ago, but Joe Biden himself pressured Ukraine into suspending those investigations and told them they had some hours to do so or else foreign aid money slated for Ukraine would be withheld (which interestingly enough is the tactic they falsely accuse Trump of using). There is videotape of Biden himself bragging about doing this.
Biden's status as a politician does not confer immunity from criminal investigation whether or not he's a presidential candidate.
Get your head out of your ass.
Long read and a lot more information regarding Ukraine than you have seen.
...............It does not matter from ANY LEGAL standpoint or from ANY Constitutional standpoint, what ANY timeline was or is, or anything else regarding ANY timeline. Totally IRRELEVANT.........
Except it discredits misinformation. Nothing to see here, folks!
If you knew jackshit about what was going on you would understand that Trump was calling on Ukraine to RESUME investigations into corruption involving Burisma and Biden's cokehead offspring. Those investigations began years ago, but Joe Biden himself pressured Ukraine into suspending those investigations and told them they had some hours to do so or else foreign aid money slated for Ukraine would be withheld (which interestingly enough is the tactic they falsely accuse Trump of using). There is videotape of Biden himself bragging about doing this.
Biden's status as a politician does not confer immunity from criminal investigation whether or not he's a presidential candidate.
Get your head out of your ass.
Long read and a lot more information regarding Ukraine than you have seen.
...............It does not matter from ANY LEGAL standpoint or from ANY Constitutional standpoint, what ANY timeline was or is, or anything else regarding ANY timeline. Totally IRRELEVANT.........
That one interpretation, other interpretations say that it does matter.
...................Look Squidge. There is only one way to interpret the Constitution as written. There are Constitutional scholars who will always disagree and who are biased. Like those three so-called Constitutional experts who testified the other day who ALL are biased against Trump and donated to the DNC?
So on your next posts. site the parts of the Constitution that justifies impeachment and stop your relying upon so called experts.
Where in the call transcripts are there impeachable violations by Trump ?
Refuse to answer the question as usual.
Not surprising you would source an anti American Marxist anti gun web site. I liked their article calling for the prosecution of American soldiers. What a clown
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Does this count as "evidence"? If no, then why?
If you knew jackshit about what was going on you would understand that Trump was calling on Ukraine to RESUME investigations into corruption involving Burisma and Biden's cokehead offspring. Those investigations began years ago, but Joe Biden himself pressured Ukraine into suspending those investigations and told them they had some hours to do so or else foreign aid money slated for Ukraine would be withheld (which interestingly enough is the tactic they falsely accuse Trump of using). There is videotape of Biden himself bragging about doing this.
Biden's status as a politician does not confer immunity from criminal investigation whether or not he's a presidential candidate.
Get your head out of your ass.
Long read and a lot more information regarding Ukraine than you have seen.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
Here are the facts: Just like Richard Nixon, Trump made a stupid error. Nixon didn't need to allow people to break into a hotel suite to get info on the Dem campaign; he was going to win anyway. Donald Trump doesn't need to smear the Bidens; he probably wouldn't be running against Joe anyway. The Dems will probably decide to run a woman (preferably a colored lesbian) anyway and Trump will win. It has been demonstrated that the real Trumpeteers cannot be swayed. The Democrats will insist on running some one who is unsupportable (again) and Trump can only beat himself. If Trump can get past this (and there is a real good chance. They've got nothin'), all he has to do is avoid being stupid (a much greater challenge) and he'll be staying in the Whitehouse. GD
You stupid fughk.
Let's just see how many people are pissed about Trumps so called screwup come Nov next year.
Nixon had no one break into Dim offices. He covered it up after finding out.
They broke in to find the dim pay for play book of folks they were providing prostitutes for favors.
Same hotel Slick was meeting Jennifer Flowers in iirc.
Horowitz, appointed by Zero, laid out the case of DNC paying for the Steel dossier and Comey illegaly signing FISA docs.
Horowitz also agreed the deep state illegaly surveilled Trump and his campaign, shades of Nixons groups illegality.
It will soon be found out Hillary had open server to the Chinese for money, as did Fienstein for 22 years. Like shades of Chinagate and Charley Trie where Slick sold our missile guidance tech to China under Ron Brown then had his plane blow up.
Like I said, you're a dumbfughk.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
If you knew jackshit about what was going on you would understand that Trump was calling on Ukraine to RESUME investigations into corruption involving Burisma and Biden's cokehead offspring. Those investigations began years ago, but Joe Biden himself pressured Ukraine into suspending those investigations and told them they had some hours to do so or else foreign aid money slated for Ukraine would be withheld (which interestingly enough is the tactic they falsely accuse Trump of using). There is videotape of Biden himself bragging about doing this.
Biden's status as a politician does not confer immunity from criminal investigation whether or not he's a presidential candidate.
Get your head out of your ass.
Long read and a lot more information regarding Ukraine than you have seen.
Found yourself a leftist; shitsource, did ya? Don't expect me to read the propaganda. The cat's outa the bag and the demoncraps are going down. Gonna be fun to watch the meltdown!
Don't be the darkness.
America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.
Those subpoena's issued by the house were not legal subpoena's , they were purposely mislabeled to appear as subpoena's..... another key phrase.. executive privilege... educate yourself, if you people can't see this is political and not legal you are fuggin morons not worth the powder to blow you to hell and are a threat to a constitutional republic and all free men..... FOAD
Can you cite a source for those subpoena's not being legal? I searched but can not find anything except it seems a lot of folks are taking them seriously. I did see that the latest decision on Don McGahn's subpoena . . . Trump's latest effort to block it failed. Notably, that is not even a subpoena under the impeachment role, which holds even more weight. Maybe you need to tell that judge to educate himself on executive privilege? Or just maybe, he understands the concept of checks and balances.
Either way Squidge, Rolling Turds, akmtnrunner, Paddler, plus the rest of you Trump haters......
Trump gets impeached by the house....Well maybe not, as it appears that there might be a number of demCRAPS who are now very hesitant to vote for impeachment...LOL>>>LOL>>>LOL......
Either way, impeached by the house OR NOT, Trump remains in office and wins re-election by a landslide next year............
So! You keep on posting your feelings,,,nothing more than feelings......
Polls are not going good for ya. Especially in the swing states...... .
1- Talk bout the crimes Biden and his kid actually committed; or
2 - Talk about the guy that pointed out the crimes Biden and his kid actually committed.
No surprise which route they've taken.
Actually, both should be done, especially the one currently under oath to defend the Constitution. What were the crimes that the Biden's committed, by the way? Because if those were crimes . . .
Those subpoena's issued by the house were not legal subpoena's , they were purposely mislabeled to appear as subpoena's..... another key phrase.. executive privilege... educate yourself, if you people can't see this is political and not legal you are fuggin morons not worth the powder to blow you to hell and are a threat to a constitutional republic and all free men..... FOAD
Can you cite a source for those subpoena's not being legal? I searched but can not find anything except it seems a lot of folks are taking them seriously. I did see that the latest decision on Don McGahn's subpoena . . . Trump's latest effort to block it failed. Notably, that is not even a subpoena under the impeachment role, which holds even more weight. Maybe you need to tell that judge to educate himself on executive privilege? Or just maybe, he understands the concept of checks and balances.
Akmtnbummer, I expect you couldnt find your ass in the dark with both hands and a flashlight.
If you could you still couldnt tell us Trumps words coercing investigation of Biden.
By the way, dumbfughk, Biden is not Trumps political opponent as your Commie News Network lies. The DNC has not yet selected Biden to represent them as their candidate for the race for the POTUS.
We hope they do.
As a viewer of the Commie NN, you probably are not aware that Bill Clitman signed an agreement with Ukraine that we would both investigate any sign of corruption for them to get our money. Oh, did CNN forget to tell you that?
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
I am not sure what to say first, so I'll start with that I am not a troll, nor did my account get hacked. I guess I was too presumptive, assuming people here pay attention to various sources, that I wouldn't need to start from scratch. And I apologize for not posting more, I had some work to get done today and I really didn't think this thread would blow up like it did.
I try to not be political on the internet as, well, this thread exemplifies, it's hardly ever productive. I started this thread out of frustration of what I see going on in D.C.. The tribal, "win at all cost", truth be damned, tone. No matter where we may sit on the impeachment topic, you've got to be disheartened as an American by the behavior there. I may see good reason to impeach, but that in no way means that I endorse the democratic party's strategies or rhetoric. Say it with me: Both sides are guilty. Casting lies back upon other liars just doesn't work. At some point, hopefully, electees, have to say enough, take a good look in the mirror and hold themselves accountable work for the success of the country instead of their re-election.
I'll try to address some of the other points raised in my direction. Regarding Biden, I am all for investigating him. Crucify him, disqualify him from running again, but whatever he did, it still doesn't excuse what Trump's done. What has Trump done? The two items I listed on page 3. Soliciting help from a foreign entity for personal gain (even disregarding Ukraine for the moment, he's asked Russia and China to investigate his political rivals). More concerning, however, he also obstructed the House's constitutional role of oversight. I do understand Executive Privilege, it is important but it does not supersede the fundamental design of a checked government. No other body has the responsibility to hold the President accountable via impeachment than the House of Representatives. If the Executive can deny the House from investigating him, then we do not have a checked Executive branch and our Constitution is violated.
Criminal charges are not required to impeach. A quid pro quo is not required to impeach. I don't know what constitution some people are following here.
Presidents asking foreign governments for personal favors most certainly did not happen since the beginning of time. Giving aid with strings attached for the benefit of the United States, definitely. But for personal gain, that's completely different and can not be confused with. If they did, please share and let's take care of them too.
The House is operating under the processes set when the GOP had the majority there.
Alluding to facts and asking for an honest discussion . . . is that so inflammatory? If that gets your panties in a twist, I feel sorry for you.
Lastly, I find it telling when the major defense for Trump by the GOP is that we 'just don't know'; in the same manner as the tobacco industry denied the connection to lung cancer. Far too often, our own intelligence community, FBI investigations, non-political government officials (including Trump appointees) reach similar conclusions, for Trump, GOP allies, and biased commentators to just say, oh, that person didn't vote for Trump so their professional work is questionable or unbelievable; "No one really knows", or just flat out lies to keep their party voters hearing what they want to hear. There comes a point when you have to realize that the WWE is fake. I get that it may be all fun to believe, to fantasize about throwing people out of helicopters, but come on people. What level of behavior are we willing to pass on to the next President, which eventually won't be Trump.
............................Read my last post....................The Constitution is the final authority for determining impeachment....NOT YOUR OPINIONS and NOT what YOU consider as facts....
I totally agree. I can't impeach anyone. But I can read and listen to Trumps own words and decisions. Under impeachment investigation (protected process to the House by the Constitution) he stopped people from giving subpoenaed testimony, did he not???? That's not a matter of opinion.
Did you bother with reading what I said about executive privilege and how disputes are resolved?
Did you answer the question as to whether or not Trump's public statement can be viewed as "evidence"?
...............Yep! I did....4 posts back. Video evidence as to justifying impeachment?
Asking for investigations within countries that are corrupt, is not an impeachable offense under the Constitution of the US.
In the broad sense of general corruption very true, but under a narrow view of asking for investigations about specifically the Biden's only, what he said could be impeachable. His statement said little about corruption in general and was clearly focused on Biden, a front runner and potential oponent of his in 2020.
What statute do you think he violated when he asked for the Bidens to be investigated? If you'll quote that here, we'll use it as the basis for discussion. If you can't quote it you really need to shut the ffugk up, because you are just talking out your ass.
1- Talk bout the crimes Biden and his kid actually committed; or
2 - Talk about the guy that pointed out the crimes Biden and his kid actually committed.
No surprise which route they've taken.
Actually, both should be done, especially the one currently under oath to defend the Constitution. What were the crimes that the Biden's committed, by the way? Because if those were crimes . . .
The Bidens funneled millions of dollars to Hunter through Burisma Holdings, a corrupt Ukraine NG supplier.... when the Ukrainian investigator was closing in on Hunter & Burisma, Ol Joe threatened to with hold 1 billion in aid... Ol Joe did this on tape.... have you missed that?
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
