The facts are there. How about a rational evaluation of them instead of denial and distraction.

What facts?

what facts?

I’m getting my popcorn out. Most of America doesn’t know the facts, because there aren’t any. Why don’t you lay them out for us, and we’ll critique. Deal?

This must be one of the ways communists get their polling data...Facts are Durham will have some people arrested.

This should be good

The haters keep referencing these compelling 'facts', and 'evidence'.

Yet nobody has been able to clearly articulate them. All I hear are a lot of hearsay, and assumptions.



I'd like to see the elements of each crime he is accused of, and the evidence that supports each element of each crime.

Here are the facts: Just like Richard Nixon, Trump made a stupid error. Nixon didn't need to allow people to break into a hotel suite to get info on the Dem campaign; he was going to win anyway. Donald Trump doesn't need to smear the Bidens; he probably wouldn't be running against Joe anyway. The Dems will probably decide to run a woman (preferably a colored lesbian) anyway and Trump will win. It has been demonstrated that the real Trumpeteers cannot be swayed. The Democrats will insist on running some one who is unsupportable (again) and Trump can only beat himself. If Trump can get past this (and there is a real good chance. They've got nothin'), all he has to do is avoid being stupid (a much greater challenge) and he'll be staying in the Whitehouse. GD

.........................Ok! What facts are you referring to?

Now before you answer that question, let me just say that all of the so-called evidence that the demCRAPS have brought forth in both the Schiff hearings and now the Nadler hearings, is all based on heresay. Second, third and fourth hand on down the line heresay, legally under the law, is in-admissible in any US court of law.

Also the dems have put forth two articles of impeachment in the house. Abuse of power and obstruction of justice.

And yet within their articles they do not site any specific crimes proving abuse of power and obstruction of justice......Their articles of impeachment are not based on ACTUAL FACTS....Only suppositions and OPINIONS of committing crimes.

If they really had a legit crime or crimes committed by the POTUS which are ACTUAL justified crimes under the Constitution of the US, then why was all due process denied the POTUS during the Schiff hearings? If ya got the goods and can present OVERWHELMING evidence of crimes, then why were there not open hearings along with all due process, INCLUDING the right to call witnesses and cross examine,,,, accorded the POTUS??

DemCRAPS are trying to establish crimes by manipulating facts into their own narrative based on heresay, opinions and conjecture..

^^^ And feelings....don't forget feelings.

And another turd rises to the top of the scum from the depths of the cesspool.

................Well dammit...I left out feelings...LOL>>>LOL...........FEELINGS,,NOTHING MORE THAN FEELINGS.

Should be the demeeeCRAPS IMPEACHMENT theme song....

There is but one "fact". The Ds hate Trump's MAGA efforts and are worried that he can't be beat in 2020.

and they plan on impeaching him again in 2020. Now OP please explain the Phugging facts to us poor Plebes.

The facts are, lieberal demoncraps, like you and others seek to destroy this country. Many will die trying to both destroy it and keep it from being destroyed.

There are no other facts.

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Facts to exonerate is all there are.

...................As an addition to my last post..........Under article 2 of the US Constitution, any sitting POTUS has the authority and the duty, to authorize or to inquire about an investigation regarding corruption within any foreign country. It does not matter legally WHO the person or persons are subject to such investigations, whether they be any citizen running for US political office or not........Remember too, that the Biden/Ukraine connections were under investigation LONG BEFORE the latest whistle blower fiasco.

Also... Rudy Guliani representing the POTUS as his PRIVATE legal counsel, has every right legally to investigate any Ukraine/Biden corruption. A sitting POTUS can appoint and authorize anyone he chooses for.such investigations....Don't tell the dems that though!!!...LOL>>>LOL>>>LOL....

So to the OP.............Be careful what facts you present..

Trump just appointed yet another conservative to the left wing 9th Circuit court of Appeals. It's being turned around slowly but surely. We'll soon be hearing that that's an impeachable offense.

Honest answer, the evidence is both circumstantial and pretty strong that Trump did something that he shouldn't have. Is it enough to impeach the President? With that said, we need to have Bolton, Mulvaney, and Pompeo to testify under oath to what the know, it's the only way know for certain exactly what the facts are. Can you imagine what would have happened if Obama had ordered the State department not to give any Congressional testimony or documents to Congress regarding Benghazi? Would he have been impeached?

Flame suit on! 😄

Yes, lots of 'saying' he committed a crime.

Saying....and providing evidence.....two very different things.

There wasn't a crime which is why there are not any facts supporting it. Hurting a snowflakes feeling's isn't a crime. It's a political impeachment without a crime.

Did I miss where the OP brought up any facts?

The whole thing boils down to,...did Trump suggest a quid pro quo on aid supplied to Ukraine in exchange for an investigation into the Biden's illegal activities there?

It doesn't sound like he did. But even if he did it would be standard operating procedure that's been going on since the beginning of time.

American foreign aid *always* comes with contingencies,...and it's only proper that it does.

It's an investigation that's intended to impress the stupid element in America,...and I'm sad to say that there's a *lot* of extremely stupid Americans.

Depending on the outcome the crime and crimes may come later. Not by POTUS but by demoncraps. They have gotten use to the commission of crimes with no consequences.

You foolish cowards are despicable! Vile creatures like you won't even defend their original posts. You're roots begin and end in Hell.

How about you and I have a rational discussion. 4 years on the forum with absolutely no political posts or commentary, you start with this? Who hacked yor account?

.................... Squidge...............Honest answer back to ya....Circumstantial evidence whether it be strong, medium or light along with the OPINION that Trump did something that he should not have,,,,,is not grounds for impeachment. You are correct.

Ok then.....Turnabout is fair play......Along with Bolton, Mulvaney and Pompeo to testify under oath as to what they know,,,then how abouts calling to testify under oath as well Adam Schiff, the so called WHISTLE BLOWER, Hunter Biden, the Ukraine officials who stated no pressure and no PRID PRO QUO and actual and true EXPERTS on the Constitution such as ooooh like say Mark Levin, Jay Sekulow, Greg Jarrett, Alan Dershowitz?? NOT THREE TRUMP HATING BIASED LIBERAL PROFESSOR HACKS who all donated to the DNC.

If the demCRAPS had LEGIT evidence under the Constitution of crimes committed by Trump, then why the closed door hearings by Schiff WITH NO DUE PROCESS accorded the POTUS???

If the demCRAPS had a great case beyond all reasonable doubt and justified under the guise of the US Constitution that in fact Trump committed impeachable offenses, then WHY the closed door hearings with NO rights of due process accorded the POTUS?

If the dems had the goods beyond all reasonable doubt, they would have done their best to EXPOSE FULLY the crimes of the POTUS in OPEN HEARINGS!!

Akmtnrnr: What inthefuck are you talking about?
Sheesh.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

+1 LOL

the dems are so stupid that they commit crimes, then instead of staying quiet about it they start pointing at the crime, and saying Trump did it!

There is nothing to discuss.

If there was truly evidence of crime, it would be a simple matter to reveal it to the public.

This dog and pony show is not about exposing any crime. It's about trying to stop re-election of President Trump.

The Dems have no viable candidate to unseat President Trump. So this is what they are doing.

Here's how I see the "facts"

Witness: He did it, everyone was in the loop, we all knew it to be true.
Questioner: Ok, how did you know it to be true?
Witness: Because everyone knew it to be true, after all I heard someone say they were told they heard he said it on a phone call?
Questioner: Were you in the room listening to teh call?
Witness: No
Questioner: Was the person who told you in the room?
Witness: No
Questioner: Did Trump ever tell you?
Witness : No
Questioner: Have you ever met Trump?
Witness: No
Questioner: So if nobody heard him say it, how do you know he said it?
Witness: Because everyone knows he said it, so he must have

Ummmmm, like talking to one of my kids when they were 3.

Suggesting a foreign power look into a possible crime isn't a crime. Joe Biden isn't a protected class because he is running for POTUS. Anyone paying attention realized there was no crime from the start. The only crimes committed were those of Pelosi and Shiff in fabricating testimony for a fabricated crime and lying to congress.

I have yet to hear of any crime that Trump committed. There has to be a crime for there to be evidence thereof. The Dems and Never Trumpers keep talking about non-crimes and then they don't have any hard evidence of the non-crimes they're talking about. "Quid pro quo". "Obstruction of Congress". What a load of happy horse shixt.

greydog, WTF!?

".. Trump made a stupid error" Really? What stupid error?

Are you referring to Trump executing his oath of office by following through with the treaty signed by slick willy (thats pres bill clinton for those in denial) with Ukraine back in the 90's that requires cooperation between our two countries on issues of mutual corruption?

Creepy uncle Joe very clearly stated his success in blackmailing then Ukrainian president Poroschenko in the youtube video for all to see.

Go look up the phone call transcripts, they're easy to find with just a few clicks. No quid pro quo anywhere anyplace in that call.

Go back and listen to ambassador Sondlands' testimony during the hearings. He said very clearly, Trump didn't want anything to do with quid pro quo.

With all the technology available today to Americans we still have people in this country that act like Barney Fife....and no, you don't get your bullet!

Trump's "crime" was suggesting that the Ukrainians investigate Biden and other top Dems who it appears, all had their hands in the same pie. The treasonous scum are now trying to keep their own heads above water by accusing Trump of the things they themselves are guilty of.

We're still waiting for the "facts".........?

I hope the Republicans can take back the House, and put and end to this SSHIT show.

So's he.

Pretty well sums it up...excellent analogy too.

^^^ Yup.

That turd Paul Ryan gave away the House. I held my nose voting for McCain and Ryan, I did it without much conviction.

CO-equal branches of Government........... they are anything but equal!

These guys are bafoons.................

Every time I hear co-equal from the left it makes me want to puke.............

Not a single crime is cited in the Articles of Impeachment.

Not a single first-hand account of any crime or misdeed was presented during the hearings, only suppositions and hearsay.

The Dems have been caught lying on the Floor about what Trump said on the phone call, and editing testimony and video of Trump, to materially alter what was said.

This is bullschiff, from start to finish, and only serves to illustrate what foul, corrupt, bitter, unscrupulous liars the Democrats are, and the lengths they'll go to to gain power. It's also exposing how much contempt Washington insiders, the media, the entertainment industry, professional sports, and academia have for ordinary citizens, whom they regard as unfit to be allowed to determine the makeup of our representative government, that is to say, vote.

No matter how many times the lies of the Dems are repeated, they remain lies, and won't wear us down, because we've had enough of this schiff.

Right or wrong, the House used the same rules and procedures that were set up by Republicans to investigate Benghazi, this time the investigation is focused on the Ukraine aid package.

1. The call transcript was released. Nothing there.

2. No aid was withheld.

It is all a steaming bag of feces.

This is all made much more complicated than it needs to be. Applying federal rules of procedure, civil or criminal, take your pick, there is almost no evidence which would be admissible in a court of law and what would be admissible is so ethereal that it could not sustain proof of the allegations by a preponderance of the evidence much less beyond a reasonable doubt.

The Shiffs and Nadlers of this world claim it doesn't matter, impeachment is a purely political device. That is a lie which should be obvious to anyone that can read. The Constitution mentions things like high crimes and misdemeanors trial, conviction, chief justice sitting as a judge, etc. Sounds like a legal proceeding to me. In fact impeachment is roundly held to be a quasi-legal proceeding.

So what? Being quasi-legal none of that court stuff matters. That's the big lie. Why do we have the Bill of Rights? Why have rules of procedure such as the hearsay rule, why those technicalities that allow criminals to escape prosecution? These laws express the American notion of fundamental fairness, freedom from being enthralled to a kingly government. That is a government that can roll over anybody like a tank for any reason or no reason at all. That was the genisis of the Bill of Rights. King Georgie III was doing all kinds of nasty things to suppress the colonists. Offend Georgie (or one of his minions) and go to jail and die. And the definition of fundamental fairness continues through new laws and Supreme Court cases such as Silverthorne Lumber which prohibits the admission of illegally obtained evidence. (fruit of the poisonous tree)

So while perhaps not directly applicable, nobody really knows, the fundamental rights which we see in court proceedings most certainly are relevant in impeachment proceedings as an expression of fundamental fairness as demanded by the American people.

So when evaluating evidence be mindful of what would be admissable on court. It's only fair.

Example of Quid Pro Quo: Joe Biden having Ukrainian Prosecutor Fired while withholding funds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE7PwqmzSu0

Okay, I'll state two of them.

1) Trump asked foreign entities to interfere in our democratic process, numerous times, and publicly. This can not be denied. This is an impeachable offense.

2) Trump committed congressional obstruction against the Constitutional oversight the House has over the Executive, by blocking subpoenas. This has been very public and can not be denied.

These are facts.

Like others have said, the second point above denied access to more facts and evidence of additional offenses. If you're not satisfied with the amount of evidence, it is because of this. To any impartial person, how could they not see the defense strategies of the Trump and the GOP as those of a guilty party?

Another fact: I identify more as a conservative but I am having a really hard time supporting my party when it fights against accountability.

You guys notice the OP wants to have a discussion and then disappears?

I don't know if someone hacked this account or another sleeper troll has been activated. Up until today, his posts have largely been about left handed rifles and bullets. He never seems to post on the General forum, so what's up?

He's not here for a discussion, or else he'd be discussing with the other members. The post is classic passive-aggressive agitation. He tells us
"The facts are there"
He doesn't want any "denial and distraction".

Troll here has made up his mind and wants a little "in your face time".

Sorry Mr. HIt and Run Troll, be you a hacked account or sleeper troll. We are on to you.

You summed it up nicely Bristoe. But, apparently just bringing up Joe Biden's name was enough for the democrats to screem "impeachment" for quid pro quo. Nancy, Schiff and the rest of the democrats are only doing this to impress their left wing lunatic voters. It's the political elites against the rest of America.

kwg

While I'm here I'll dispute that.

1) look up satire, then hyperbole. Those statements are equivocal, they cannot be made into substantial proof of anything. Other than Trump can be a smartass.

2) How dare Trump avail himself of judicial process! Trump obstructed not only Congress but justice itself (in the definitive abuse of power) by denying the allegations in the first place. (An example of a satirical comment BTW)

Wrong, wrong and you are most certainly a very misinformed individual.

Have you not ever heard of Executive Privilege? Executive privilege is the right of the president of the United States and other members of the executive branch to maintain confidential communications under certain circumstances within the executive branch and to resist some subpoenas and other oversight by the legislative and judicial branches of government in pursuit of particular information or personnel relating to those confidential communications. The right comes into effect when revealing information would impair governmental functions. Neither executive privilege nor the oversight power of Congress is explicitly mentioned in the United States Constitution.[1] However, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight each are a consequence of the doctrine of the separation of powers, derived from the supremacy of each branch in its own area of Constitutional activity

The POTUS has every right and duty to negotiate on the countries behalf when aid is to be granted to other countries. In the case of Ukraine, it is actually a law that he must determine from the President of the Ukraine if corruption exists within that country that could deter aid being used in the capacity it was offered.

The POTUS is also the top cop in the US. When and if he hears of things like the Biden corruption, he has every right and again, a duty by law, to act and have purported crimes investigated and prosecuted if confirmed criminal.

Those the facts. Here's another. You are drinking lieberal koolaide. Get help soon.

1) that's a LIE. Not in the transcript, or elsewhere. The President of Ukraine denies any pressure was applied, and also that the ambassador ever discussed it with him as he alleges.

2) Trump has a constitutional right to Executive Privilege. Where there's a difference of opinion about what that covers, either party can go to court to settle the dispute. Standard procedure, except when whiny-ass Dems refuse to wait for the process to play out as designed.

You're either a complicit liar, or a spoon-fed stooge of the Left. Your schitt doesn't float here.

You want honesty? You people elect some obnoxious, stupid MF's. (Watching the hearing.)

If Trump has done every single thing the commies have accused him of, I still prefer him to any candidate the commies have stuck out front.

In other words,...I don't care.

Until a hard core Nationalist comes along, I'll take Trump.

Neocons and commies aren't an acceptable substitute.

All Democrats involved in this charade need to be 'policed up' and charged with sedition and treason for attempting to overthrow the government!

Not true, I see you are just another leftist lying POS, go [bleep] yourself.

Those are your facts? Really? You liberals are unbelievable, literally. lol

Trump used his personal lawyer (Rudy) and his personal lawyer's cohorts to attempt to get a foreign government to commit an act for his personal benefit, not for the country's benefit. Rudy doesn't work for the government, doesn't have a security clearance and didn't have the formal backing of the Department of State or Department of Defense.

In fact, Rudy and his cohorts have either already been indicted in New York for their actions in this, or in the case of Rudy, will soon be.

Case closed. Trump used the power of the office for his benefit, not the country's. If his actions were for the benefit of the country he would have used official channels. Instead he used his personal attorney and his personal attorney's criminal cohorts.

I don't care.

I wouldn't care if the American government started pitching commies out of helicopters.

lol

You are saying it's not to our country's benefit to find out if we might elect a corrupt Democrat as President...….one who allowed his son to enrich himself at the country's expense...…….I disagree

You noticed he just repeated vague generalities and no specific facts.


Clinton lies under oath when he testified in grand jury and he was disbarred and impeached. There we have a specific charge and date.

Blocking subpoenas??? On what date and what subpoenas and what power do these subpoenas hold? Is one obligated by law to respond to these subpoenas?

Interfere in democratic process??? What does that mean? So Trump refused to give one of the most corrupt countries in the world Ukraine millions of our hard earned US tax dollars unless they addressed their corruption and attempted to end it during a recorded phone two years after the impeachment process was already started against him.

Sounds terrible our POTUS not giving our money to criminals in other countries.






These anti gun clowns on here are brain washed idiots .

Oh, c'mon, you care. You're just angry that your children and grandchildren will be slaves to the blacks, browns, jews and muslims.

They're coming for you, Bristoe. Can you hear the footsteps? They're coming for you. lol.

If that were the case Trump would have done it in the open and through the proper government channels. Instead he used three guys named Rudy, Lev and Igor. And two of them have already been arrested. Google it.

Yep.

Now confirmed.

Swamp gas clings to the turds, and makes them float to the top when the TDS levels get too high...

Biden's candidacy confers NO immunity from prosecution for previous criminal acts. President SHOULD get something for all the millions and billions of dollars we dish out as aid---it's his job to make sure that it's not going to a corrupt regime. In fact, a part of that investigation Trump wanted Ukraine to resume was to uncover what had happened during the 2016 election cycle.

Funny that Trump was accused of withholding money unless he got what he wanted, and that claim has been debunked...but Biden did that very thing as VP, in order to cover shady business dealings on the part of his cokehead son and is even seen on videotape BRAGGING (in true Biden style) about it.


You really need to stop watching CNN because you are obviously not capable of vetting the information and detecting lies.

Which one are you?

Non-governmental agents have been used in diplomatic missions since the beginning of the Union. There's even a common term for it, "backchannel."

If someone anyone, drops a subpoena or document request on me I have every right to seek judicial review. And because the scope of separation of powers and presidential privilege is so vague in the law many say the president would be derelict in his duty to not seek judicial review. Since giving in to all Congressional demands would be precedent setting I would agree.

Hey, Rollingturdball, newsflash: Trump IS OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT CHANNELS. That's why he is called Mr. President (but YOU be sure and be on your knees with eyes looking down should you ever address him or speak of him...you are not worthy).

The Fact is Trump committed no crime, no impeachable offense. The democrats are going to go down in history as the most corrupt indefensible mass of misfits ever elected to office in our country. They have sullied the offices they hold and have defiled the oath they all took. They need to be jailed for what they have attempted to do.

Yes, he is. But Rudy, Lev and Igor are not. That's why they we're indicted. And three or four others so far. There will be more.

Poor Rudy. He wen't from America's Mayor to road kill. Maybe Trump will pardon him.

I'll be the one watching your grandchildren Jose, Miguel, Ahmad, Abdullah, and Shlomo playing in the park.

They're coming for you, Bristoe. They're almost at your door. bwahahahah

45 Million for the Mueller Debacle
3 years of passing no legislation regarding infrastructure,healthcare etc etc

2 months of BS impeachment debacle on made up charges

Trump is going to cream the dems in 2020 MAGA

POTUS can send anyone he pleases as an emissary. Trump is POTUS and will remain so. Get over it.

Does it bother you Turds that voted for Klintoon that she financed the Steele Dossier?

I bet not.

He can send anyone he pleases AND get impeached for it. There, fixed it for you.

Can I be in the helicopter when they start throwing out the commies ?? This I got to see.

kwg

So your a pedophile, like Biden.

lololololololololololololololololol

Trump was duty bound under a treaty to ask for the investigation. That's but a small part of the reason the Democrats abandoned that angle and shifted it to abuse of power instead of bribery or violation of federal election laws.

Trump, as so many before him did, asserted executive privilege. When the legislative branch and the executive branch come to an impasse, the judicial branch provides remedy, not the impeachment process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege

Rollingracist

Upset at the sky rocketing Trump approval from Blacks, hispanics and Jews?

So what are you saying, he's a lefty?

Obviously he's the brown one, turds are always brown unless there's blood mixed in..........

Hey paddler, do you get paid extra if you say the bolded part?

How can you have a rational evaluation when the whole thing is nothing more than an irrational endeavor by irrational, treasonous, a$$holes (such as yourself) who want to overthrow this President? You and everyone like you need to go spend a year in a truly communist country to get a real dose of life.......................or death, but leave my Country alone. I gave an oath almost 50 years ago and am still bound by it and I for one am getting pretty sick of you communist Ba$tards.

Jim

OP here,

I am not sure what to say first, so I'll start with that I am not a troll, nor did my account get hacked. I guess I was too presumptive, assuming people here pay attention to various sources, that I wouldn't need to start from scratch. And I apologize for not posting more, I had some work to get done today and I really didn't think this thread would blow up like it did.

I try to not be political on the internet as, well, this thread exemplifies, it's hardly ever productive. I started this thread out of frustration of what I see going on in D.C.. The tribal, "win at all cost", truth be damned, tone. No matter where we may sit on the impeachment topic, you've got to be disheartened as an American by the behavior there. I may see good reason to impeach, but that in no way means that I endorse the democratic party's strategies or rhetoric. Say it with me: Both sides are guilty. Casting lies back upon other liars just doesn't work. At some point, hopefully, electees, have to say enough, take a good look in the mirror and hold themselves accountable work for the success of the country instead of their re-election.

I'll try to address some of the other points raised in my direction. Regarding Biden, I am all for investigating him. Crucify him, disqualify him from running again, but whatever he did, it still doesn't excuse what Trump's done. What has Trump done? The two items I listed on page 3. Soliciting help from a foreign entity for personal gain (even disregarding Ukraine for the moment, he's asked Russia and China to investigate his political rivals). More concerning, however, he also obstructed the House's constitutional role of oversight. I do understand Executive Privilege, it is important but it does not supersede the fundamental design of a checked government. No other body has the responsibility to hold the President accountable via impeachment than the House of Representatives. If the Executive can deny the House from investigating him, then we do not have a checked Executive branch and our Constitution is violated.

Criminal charges are not required to impeach. A quid pro quo is not required to impeach. I don't know what constitution some people are following here.

Presidents asking foreign governments for personal favors most certainly did not happen since the beginning of time. Giving aid with strings attached for the benefit of the United States, definitely. But for personal gain, that's completely different and can not be confused with. If they did, please share and let's take care of them too.

The House is operating under the processes set when the GOP had the majority there.

Alluding to facts and asking for an honest discussion . . . is that so inflammatory? If that gets your panties in a twist, I feel sorry for you.

Lastly, I find it telling when the major defense for Trump by the GOP is that we 'just don't know'; in the same manner as the tobacco industry denied the connection to lung cancer. Far too often, our own intelligence community, FBI investigations, non-political government officials (including Trump appointees) reach similar conclusions, for Trump, GOP allies, and biased commentators to just say, oh, that person didn't vote for Trump so their professional work is questionable or unbelievable; "No one really knows", or just flat out lies to keep their party voters hearing what they want to hear. There comes a point when you have to realize that the WWE is fake. I get that it may be all fun to believe, to fantasize about throwing people out of helicopters, but come on people. What level of behavior are we willing to pass on to the next President, which eventually won't be Trump.

...........................Well your facts are in dispute and I will dispute them.

As to your #1......You say in #1 the usual demCRAP talking points that "THIS CANNOT BE DENIED"....Sorry! NO IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES. You like your allies in the press and demCRAPS, always use hyperbole, but never itemize exactly how Trump's offenses ARE high crimes and misdemeanors AS IT RELATES TO THE CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES...

Now please let me educate you sir. Write this down and sleep on it.........Under Article 2 of the US Constitution, ANY SITTING POTUS has the authority and is duty bound to investigate any foreign corruption BEFORE ANY AID IS RELEASED to any country suspected of corruption. It does NOT MATTER if the person or persons under investigation are the Bidens or anyone else either running for US political office or otherwise.....THIS IS NOT interfering in our democratic process.......And let me further remind you that the Biden/Ukraine connection has been under investigation by the DOJ and State Dept LONG BEFORE any impeachment hearings began......

As to your #2........It is quite obvious that you are completely ignorant on what the definitions of EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE are AS WRITTEN under the law and completely ignorant on what the definitions and laws are regarding SEPERATION OF POWERS AS WRITTEN under the law and how these two relate to the executive branch, the judicial branch and the legislative branches of the federal govt.....

YOUR FACTS as are the demCRAP facts, are based on emotion driven by hatred for the POTUS...

If you wish to present some facts that cannot be denied,,,,THEN LET US ALL SEE THEM in any future post,,,that supports impeachment based on WHAT THE CONSTITUTION says and NOT what you emotionally FEEL or THINK based on opinion......Site the CONSTITUTION to justify impeachment..........PERIOD!!.

No, those are not facts. Those are statements, assertions, and opinions.

A fact is something supported by evidence (evidence by legal definition).

You coulda stopped right there.

Tainted.

............................Read my last post....................The Constitution is the final authority for determining impeachment....NOT YOUR OPINIONS and NOT what YOU consider as facts....

Does this count as "evidence"? If no, then why?

.......................Squidge......Go back and read my second to last post to akmtnrunner 3rd paragraph beginning with,,, Under article 2 of the US Constitution,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

That should answer your question.

You need to more clear than just "go read", you tend to ramble.

............I tend to ramble?? Oh really??.........Well then...Did you read it? And can you please define ramble? What exactly was the rambling??

If I site Article 2 under the Constitution justifying the authority that the POTUS has,,, you consider that rambling??

I totally agree. I can't impeach anyone. But I can read and listen to Trumps own words and decisions. Under impeachment investigation (protected process to the House by the Constitution) he stopped people from giving subpoenaed testimony, did he not???? That's not a matter of opinion.

Did you answer the question as to whether or not Trump's public statement can be viewed as "evidence"?

...............Yep! I did....4 posts back. Video evidence as to justifying impeachment?

Asking for investigations within countries that are corrupt, is not an impeachable offense under the Constitution of the US.

I hope there were conditions to the aid.....I’d be worried if there wasn’t.

Don't forget the Republicans had the House for the first two years!

....You are right. It is not a matter of opinion........But here again. you are apparently are not aware of "separation of powers" or "executive privilege" and how it relates CONSTITUTIONALLY to any sitting POTUS......A sitting POTUS under the Constitution of the US, can in fact, prohibit subpoenaed testimonies. He has THAT authority to do so.

Why? I suggest you do some research and find out for yourself as I did. Especially on "separation of powers" and how it works under the authority given to ANY sitting POTUS.

Those subpoena's issued by the house were not legal subpoena's , they were purposely mislabeled to appear as subpoena's..... another key phrase.. executive privilege... educate yourself, if you people can't see this is political and not legal you are fuggin morons not worth the powder to blow you to hell and are a threat to a constitutional republic and all free men..... FOAD

In the broad sense of general corruption very true, but under a narrow view of asking for investigations about specifically the Biden's only, what he said could be impeachable. His statement said little about corruption in general and was clearly focused on Biden, a front runner and potential oponent of his in 2020.

Yep! They WERE NOT legal subpoenas.......That I totally forgot about...........Thanks Irfubar

Based on the reaction to Trump's impeachment it is clear that you guys are just gonna hate when he's indicted by the New York District Attorney. Trump's attorneys are begging the Supreme Court not to let it happen but the Court may rule tomorrow not to accept his petition for review.

Gosh, I just hope Trump doesn't do anything to harm himself like Epstein did once he gets indicted. He's not very strong, you know.

Keep it up DEMs...

Today another DOW record....

About an hour ago TRUMP agrees in principle to a China Trade Deal and looks to cancel new tariffs.....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...amid-signs-trade-deal-closer/4415251002/

If you knew jackshit about what was going on you would understand that Trump was calling on Ukraine to RESUME investigations into corruption involving Burisma and Biden's cokehead offspring. Those investigations began years ago, but Joe Biden himself pressured Ukraine into suspending those investigations and told them they had some hours to do so or else foreign aid money slated for Ukraine would be withheld (which interestingly enough is the tactic they falsely accuse Trump of using). There is videotape of Biden himself bragging about doing this.

Biden's status as a politician does not confer immunity from criminal investigation whether or not he's a presidential candidate.

Get your head out of your ass.

........Whoa whoa whoa whoa.........COULD BE? COULD BE IMPEACHABLE?

Well Squidge......Either it is impeachable under the Constitution or it is not. There is NO narrow VIEW....This "COULD BE" BUSINESS is NOT good enough to justify impeachment.

Again! Leave your opinions at the door and focus ONLY on the Constitution of the US.

Again under article 2 of the US Constitution.... Any sitting POTUS has the authority to investigate any corruption within any foreign country REGARDLESS of whom that might be,,Biden or otherwise.........

Trump did absolutely nothing illegal.
But even if he had, I agree... I don't care.
Commies are vermin.

........................."BIDEN'S STATUS AS A POLITICIAN DOES NOT CONFER IMMUNITY FROM CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION WHETHER OR NOT HE IS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE."

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!

of course the weren't.

These idiots like rolling racist the drug addict and squirt couldn't pass a basic 6th grade govt and civics class

Quite frankly I'm ready for the shooting to start. Got a long list of people even halfway locally that need to be gone

There is a transcript of the call. Please post excerpts in the call transcript that support your claim

...Well Rolling Turds........Your predictions like Paddler's predictions have yet to come true.........You both are zero for hundreds........GREAT JOB IDIOT!

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Long read and a lot more information regarding Ukraine than you have seen.

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

Can you cite a source for those subpoena's not being legal? I searched but can not find anything except it seems a lot of folks are taking them seriously. I did see that the latest decision on Don McGahn's subpoena . . . Trump's latest effort to block it failed. Notably, that is not even a subpoena under the impeachment role, which holds even more weight. Maybe you need to tell that judge to educate himself on executive privilege? Or just maybe, he understands the concept of checks and balances.

Where in the call transcripts are there impeachable violations by Trump ?

Refuse to answer the question as usual.


Not surprising you would source an anti American Marxist anti gun web site. I liked their article calling for the prosecution of American soldiers. What a clown

...............It does not matter from ANY LEGAL standpoint or from ANY Constitutional standpoint, what ANY timeline was or is, or anything else regarding ANY timeline. Totally IRRELEVANT.........

The GOP is also zero for hundreds on Hillary Clinton, but we know she was dirty as anyone else, maybe more so. So what's your point?

Another anti Trumper lying clown

There were conditions. To get our tax money they had to hire Hunter and protect and pay Hunter exhorbitantly so Daddy Joe could get part of our money as a kickback. Sheesh.

.............My point? NONE of any of the Trump hater's predictions on this forum have come true. That is my point

Hillary? Her corruption is well known and her time for accountability may not be over.

Nice try in trying to equate one with the other.

That one interpretation, other interpretations say that it does matter.

Except it discredits misinformation. Nothing to see here, folks!

Ok all you Trump hating pro impeachment guys....

Mark Levin on Hannity tonight, just thoroughly ripped your asses up..And THEN SOME!.

Demmorhoids have two choices:

1- Talk bout the crimes Biden and his kid actually committed; or

2 - Talk about the guy that pointed out the crimes Biden and his kid actually committed.

No surprise which route they've taken.

...................Look Squidge. There is only one way to interpret the Constitution as written. There are Constitutional scholars who will always disagree and who are biased. Like those three so-called Constitutional experts who testified the other day who ALL are biased against Trump and donated to the DNC?

So on your next posts. site the parts of the Constitution that justifies impeachment and stop your relying upon so called experts.

I looked for it on Fox, couldn't find it.

You stupid fughk.

Let's just see how many people are pissed about Trumps so called screwup come Nov next year.

Nixon had no one break into Dim offices. He covered it up after finding out.

They broke in to find the dim pay for play book of folks they were providing prostitutes for favors.

Same hotel Slick was meeting Jennifer Flowers in iirc.

Horowitz, appointed by Zero, laid out the case of DNC paying for the Steel dossier and Comey illegaly signing FISA docs.

Horowitz also agreed the deep state illegaly surveilled Trump and his campaign, shades of Nixons groups illegality.

It will soon be found out Hillary had open server to the Chinese for money, as did Fienstein for 22 years. Like shades of Chinagate and Charley Trie where Slick sold our missile guidance tech to China under Ron Brown then had his plane blow up.

Like I said, you're a dumbfughk.

Found yourself a leftist; shitsource, did ya? Don't expect me to read the propaganda. The cat's outa the bag and the demoncraps are going down. Gonna be fun to watch the meltdown!

Link....

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-letters-not-subpoenas-omb-and-pentagon/

Either way Squidge, Rolling Turds, akmtnrunner, Paddler, plus the rest of you Trump haters......

Trump gets impeached by the house....Well maybe not, as it appears that there might be a number of demCRAPS who are now very hesitant to vote for impeachment...LOL>>>LOL>>>LOL......

Either way, impeached by the house OR NOT, Trump remains in office and wins re-election by a landslide next year............

So! You keep on posting your feelings,,,nothing more than feelings......

Polls are not going good for ya. Especially in the swing states...... .

Actually, both should be done, especially the one currently under oath to defend the Constitution. What were the crimes that the Biden's committed, by the way? Because if those were crimes . . .

Akmtnbummer, I expect you couldnt find your ass in the dark with both hands and a flashlight.

If you could you still couldnt tell us Trumps words coercing investigation of Biden.

By the way, dumbfughk, Biden is not Trumps political opponent as your Commie News Network lies. The DNC has not yet selected Biden to represent them as their candidate for the race for the POTUS.

We hope they do.

As a viewer of the Commie NN, you probably are not aware that Bill Clitman signed an agreement with Ukraine that we would both investigate any sign of corruption for them to get our money. Oh, did CNN forget to tell you that?

Did you bother with reading what I said about executive privilege and how disputes are resolved?

What statute do you think he violated when he asked for the Bidens to be investigated? If you'll quote that here, we'll use it as the basis for discussion. If you can't quote it you really need to shut the ffugk up, because you are just talking out your ass.

The Bidens funneled millions of dollars to Hunter through Burisma Holdings, a corrupt Ukraine NG supplier.... when the Ukrainian investigator was closing in on Hunter & Burisma, Ol Joe threatened to with hold 1 billion in aid... Ol Joe did this on tape.... have you missed that?

This^^^

Bill Clinton signed a pact with Ukraine to investigate corruption..... hello

That was written over 2 months ago. Judicial Authorization has been attained since then.

OK Bro........ let's just pretend I'll willing to give you the benefit of the doubt despite the fact that you fit the stereotype of the archetypical Dem troll.

Why make this your first political post? I will not buy any the " I'm obeying my conscious and I can't stand it anymore" bullchitt. That is leftist troll bullchitt speak.

Next, the part about impeachment. Let's go back to the founders of our nation. They did prescribe a mechanism to remove a sitting President, but only in the most EXTREME circumstance. You wanna tell me what about this phone call fits that bill? You can't because it doesn't. Clinton lying about porking a fat Jewish intern didn't qualify either. Guess what? Bill wasn't removed after committing a felony (Perjury. He lost his law license over it. FACT!). BTW, Andrew Johnson not going along with the Northeastern Radical Republicans that wanted a punitive reconstruction didn't warrant removing him. All THREE of these case are 100% partisan politics.

This is all horsechitt and you know it and I know it. If the Democrats had the slightest hope of beating Trump in 2020, we wouldn't be here. Elizabeth Warren would be the World's darling and Trump would be packing his bags at the White House. NEWS FLASH: In America, we let the voters do the talking. In case you missed it, the voters picked the foul, nasty TRUMP over the foul, nasty, Hillary! Got it?

SO you don't like Trump? Blame the phoucing Democrats for running Hillary Rodham Clinton for President.......Twice!!
That move cost you Barack Obama in 2008 and Donald Trump in 2016............AND 2020.

It is your own peoples fault! DO YOU HEAR ME? No Hillary = no Obama and No Hillary = no Trump! Trump was the antidote to HRC. You don't have to like him, but if you have $1 in stock market you need to kiss his ass. If you have a job you should kiss his ass because HRC would have the stock market at 16,000 and the unemployment rate at 8.5% and one of them could be you!

But this is all giving you the benefit of the doubt that you wanted a discussion, when in fact your OP was a passive aggressive statement of your position that Trump was guilty and needs to to be impeached. I'm still waiting to see what your definition is of abuse of power. Asking the Ukraine to look into something that is obvious fact is your definition of abuse of power? Sorry, if I cannot take you seriously. If you hold to that 100% heart and soul you are either low IQ/undereducated or a delusional Dem fanatic.

Sorry but I have a hard time buying that you suddenly got "woke" and want to make a political statement on this after 4 years of left handed rifles, gunsmithing and optics. How many liberals are there in Alaska that frequent a hunting forum? How many Trump haters in Alaska really hunt and shoot? I guess there might be one. Then there is BigStick. God knows where he is politically. Guess he might think "Trump is a worthless kuhnntt, laughing" or some such babel.

Nope, not buying what you are selling.

..........Liberal Trump haters ALWAYS forget about the corruption by Hillary, the DNC, Schiff, Obama as well as many others.......HYPOCRITES ALL...

Do tell us more. How did Bill personally benefit?

You guys should stop bickering on these threads and get together to pray for Trump's soul. He's hurting badly now and needs your prayers.

I just fear that the humiliation of getting impeached is too much for him to bear. Pray for him. If you have a decent bone in your body please pray for him. He's weak and defenseless at this point. Sniveling even.

H

........You are one pathetic idiot Rolling TURDS!

I pray he gets the full due process he has been asking for.

Listen Bigsqeeze, I have clearly stated Trump "may have" done something that he shouldn't have, that the evidence is circumstantial but strong, I'm in favor of hearing from Bolton, Mulvaney, and Pompeo before rushing to judgement on whether or not he actually did something that he shouldn't have. That's an honest answer to the question of the opening post. Facts and integrity do matter, the swamp needs drained of corruption irregardless of party affiliation, public corruption undermines and weakens our country. There was a time when Conservatives used to care deepely about facts and integrity but I believe that time has passed.

So let's cut to the chase, if what's alleged is true for the sake of argument how is that an impeachable offense?

Say Trump demanded an investigation of Biden for bribery, defined specifically as an impeachable offense, and used his discretionary (potentiary) powers to make it happen. An investigation is a search for the truth, is that so offensive? It's claimed Trump is trying to coerce a foreign government to interfere in our election. How, by disclosing the truth? And beyond that how does this rise to the level of high crime or misdemeanor? If you do your homework a high crime was an offense which threatened the crown, like attempting to assassinate the king or his officers. Misdemeanors meant serious crimes which did not threaten the crown like murder of an ordinary person. What today would be a major felony. Now Russia has been trying to influence our elections since 1917 and had some success in the mid-20th century. If you read the subcommittee reports NcCarthy was not wrong, just went way overboard. But it' conceded by all that while Russia meddled in the 2016 election they were totally unsuccessful, not one vote was changed. Now Russia has all but conquered the Ukraine, a relatively unsophisticated country. What in hell makes anyone think that the Ukraine poses any threat to our electoral system? With no real threat possible there can be no impeachable offense.

Contempt of Congress is a joke, and a bad one at that. Have you looked at Congressional approval polls lately? Approval is around 20% so 80% of the American people have contempt for Congress. Trump should get a medal. Document requests are meaningless. I could write a letter demanding that Nadler disclose his banking records for the last 10 years and it would have the same legal significance. As far as Congressional subpoenas go is Nadler et al. seriously claiming that Trump has no right to contest the legitimacy of such in court, the same right that everyone, not just citizens have? Trump beneath the protection of the law?

Case dismissed for failure to state a claim upon which relief may be granted. And that may be how McConnell handles the matter.

Stop name calling and start praying. Nobody can be expected to survive the humiliation that Trump is experiencing. He tweeted/retweeted well over a hundred times today. Imagine the pain this man is in? It's just awful.

+1

..........I know where you are going and what you are trying to do...Not gonna work runner.

You and the demCRAPS think that the transcript asked for a favor namely an investigation of Biden...IT DID NOT. Trump said,,,,""DO US A FAVOR...NOT DO ME A FAVOR!

And again mtrunner. You love to forget the Constitution don't ya?? Typical liberal.....Trump has the authority whether you and your dems like it or not.

Oh and you conveniently forget that Biden/Ukraine has been under investigation for many months. Long before any Ukraine phone call.

Keep going. I'll checkmate your ass every time.

I may have missed your's specifically, there's been a lot of posts to keep up with. Which page was it on? I am aware that disputes are resolved by the Judges. The latest decision, for Don McGahn, came down against Trump.

Again, the House holds the sole power to impeach the President. If the President can deny investigation to do so, we do not have checked and balanced branches of government.

.................All supposition and opinion on your part, which you could not prove even if your life depended on it..................

Not gonna win TURDS......Trump wins by a landslide next year...

Paul, you ignored and misread the links to the federal public corruption statutes last time you asked for them, why should I post them again? Does Rod Blavagovich ring a bell?

Before this is all over.. Trump wins in landslide and retakes house, keeps Senate and fills empty seat on court when that commie croaks.

You and your father, Karl Marx LOSE everything.

Before this is all over.. Trump wins in landslide and retakes house, keeps Senate and fills empty seat on court when that commie croaks.

You and your father, Karl Marx LOSE everything.

Seriously? You cannot be that stupid, but maybe I overestimate you. You have heard of the Clinton Foundation, right? Jeezus you make this easy.
https://www.waynedupree.com/clinton-foundation-ukraine/

https://www.sgtreport.com/2019/10/u...f-any-country-to-the-clinton-foundation/

https://rightedition.com/2019/10/04...f-any-country-to-the-clinton-foundation/

Dude, the frigging phone call had little to do with it. Rudy and his goons were privately interfering with Ukrainian affairs since March of this year, months before that call. The crimes were committed long before that call. Half Trump's security council resigned over this - including John Bolton. Half of Rudy's guys have already been charged criminally in New York by the feds and the other half will be.

So just sit back and take Trump's impeachment in stride. It won't kill you.

...............Well if you wish for certain things coming to pass, then dammit, base your case on upholding the Constitution of the United States, site the Constitution and learn about separation of powers and about executive privilege as it relates to the 3 branches of govt and WHAT AUTHORITY is granted any sitting POTUS....

Injecting opinions, conjecture and what you would LIKE TO SEE does NOT uphold the Constitution.

Executive privilege is essential for the executive branch to operate autonomously, it is specified by the founding fathers to protect the office and its power.. The president was meant to have these powers exclusively.
The presidency was mandated the powers because the president is directly responsible to the voters, if the voters did not like his decision making they could vote him out.
Voters cannot do that directly with the legislative branch or a committee in place of the presidency. The founders did this by design.

I never voted for Pelosi... or the liberal judge that blocked DACA or the migration ban... these judges and the house with this phony impeachment is an unconstitutional power grab...

I do vote for the president... you liberal morons need to educate yourselves...

You are talking out your ass. There's a reason the House backed away from that angle.

JeffO, As long as you take his re-election in stridewithout falling off your ladder, we can handle the faux impeachment without Senate conviction, because that is what the future holds. So roll up a big ol' splff, toke away and medicate your resigned self to the fact that you'll have Trump unitl 2024.

Actually I believe all that, I will tell ya thjat I don't believe one damn thing any democrat says anymore, They've lied way to much for anyone with anysort of common sense to believe.

They've been after Trump since before he took the oath of office, impeach was chanted by them from day one and now I'm supposed to believe something a known anti-Trumper says.........I don't think so. It's even been proven that beyond anyshadow of a doubt that Trump was investigated by a political rival and part of that investigation may have violated several laws and Trumps Constitutional Rights, and what do they plan on doing about it?.......the answer is nothing

I've seen nothing but negativity on Trump from both sides of the Isle, I've also seen Trump working his ass off against all odds getting schit done for the best interest of the USA.

I know where I'm going to give my support, every one of the democrats and half of the republicans can kiss my ass, all the anti-Trumpers can kiss my ass as well.

...................DUDE......Rudy under the law, AND as the personal lawyer of the POTUS, has every damned right to investigate any corruption within Ukraine WHEN a sitting POTUS has appointed him to do so......Nothing illegal DUDE!

Secondly...Rudy's goons whom you referred to are charged with crimes having nothing to do with Rudy. Guilty by association there DUDE?

Thirdly DUDE!.......Under article 2 of the Constitution, any sitting POTUS can authorize an investigation of corruption in Ukraine and appoint whomever he chooses to head that investigation... DUDE!

Take Trump's impeachment in stride you say TURDS??? How about you taking his landslide win next year in stride DUDE!!!................CLOWN

Wait, staying on the personal benefit point is too much for you? Ok, I guess we can change the subject. You presume that I think the transcript explicitly mentions a personal favor. I don't, but wouldn't that be convenient for you. Too bad that the mountain of testimony made it clear that a meeting between the Presidents was contingent on announcing an investigation on the Bidens. It wasn't a quick mention on the phone, which could have been nothing, but this was a coordinated effort over many weeks.

You certainly seem to think I forget the Constitution. Then you keep insulting me with this "liberal" crap. Tell me how the Constitution gives the President authority to trade tax dollars to foreign governments for personal benefit, then immunity from Constitutional checks and balances.

Then, you cast more allegations that I forget that Biden/Ukraine was been under investigation for many months. Not that I pay much attention to the guy, but when it became evident, I think it's great. Again, I am all for consistently nailing improper use of elected positions, no matter the party. If it were up to me, I'd disqualify the a$$hole immediately from 2020 and keep the investigation going.

Now, just how have you been checkmating me????

Signing off for the evening. I look forward to continuing tomorrow. By the way, love the 375 Ruger too

Well shoot maybe. It’s for the best if they impeach him 🤷🏻‍♂️


DC has a reputation to protect of no corruption. 🤦🏼‍♂️

We want to nip that in the bud right now.


If we trusted the beltway we wouldn’t have elected someone from outside the beltway

Now that at least half the beltway is screaming he’s no good.


We’re over here, we’d hoped you’d notice

The biggest achievement of Trump's Presidency is that it caused the Democrats to show themselves.

Your mountain of testimony was simply a bunch of over educated intellectual bureaucrats stating their opinion.... Sondlyn was told by Trump I want nothing, no quib pro quo
The rest was 2nd and third hand conjecture....

You got it Bristoe.... the snakes can't help but expose themselves .... even here on the campfire

..................................The Schiff hearings and the Nadler hearings did NOT prove any illegal act or any act or acts of any high crimes or misdemeanors by the POTUS that justifies an impeachment under the Constitution.....Just now reported on FOX....There is a good possibility that many demCRAPS just might defect themselves away from voting for impeachment...UH OH!!! UH OH!!!....... .

So! You can justify all of your opinions and events such as the ones you make in your above post until blue in the face...Bottom line?? Impeachment will fail in the senate.......

I challenge any of you to look at all to the OP's former posts and look at the schist he has typed today and tell me it is the same person.

"No, I'm not a bot and I haven't had my account hacked'

Yeah, sure.

funny when anti gunRussian trolls pretend to be gun owners. Still pissed Hillary lost clown?"

If the campfire was a prison, akmtnrunner would be the bitch. Lol

Um he is doing it through the USAG. Just as he asked the President of Ukraine to talk the AG Barr. It is perfectly ok for the President to ask another president to help out with a legal investigation.

Yep! Rolling Thunder consumes gallons of the liberal Koolaid lying and deceiving talking points on a daily basis.

It’s just smoke and mirrors right before the 2020 election. THE END

wow Hillary's anti gun dope head Russian trolls still post on hunting forums?

comrade JeffO why don't you find a stepladder to fall off of and stay on your welfare scam?

Ha, the stupid bastids lie and their heros like Zero lie so they think it's normal to lie and think everyone goes around lying. They fall for what's taught in psychology 101- self projection.

They think everyone lies. Of course, it's ok if Zero and Hill lie because they are trying to save us and the world.

Trump doesnt lie but they think he does because CNN says he does. He could live 10 lives and never tell a lie and they would say he lies, thus, they can never nail him. He cheats. He tells the truth. Hes draining them and the swamp they live in.

Ha, God bless Trump and God bless America.
MAGA

WWG1WGA.

The lying pos OP cant even have an honest discussion because hes not honest. Did he prove with Trumps words he asked Ukraine to dig dirt on Biden? No, because he cant. He cant because Trump didnt.

Hes happy the Bidens were scamming us, because he hates the US. Ha, and he wants an honest discussion.

Satan doesnt know what honest is.

Akmtnbummer, your own words prove you are a pos.

I think y'all are missing a pertinent fact. At the time of the phone call, Trump did not see Joe Biden as a serious threat in the 2020 election. I would say that most Trump supporters would have agreed with him. At this time, Trump was calling him Sleepy Joe.

Joe Biden is a semi-senile old perv with waaay too much baggage. He's also an old rich white guy in a party that seems to hate old rich white guys. In July, he was still polling well, but everyone could see this guy was not going to be a serious threat to Trump. He's done miserably in the debates. His speeches have been calamities.

No this isn't a bit like 1972. Please don't try to foist that crap on me. In 1972 the CREEP was really worried about George McGovern's chances of becoming president. That was why they broke into the Watergate. After the break-in, Nixon got involved in a cover-up and that was what got him tossed out.


I've been listening to these impeachment hearings pretty closely. No, I don't hear facts. What I hear is a bunch of opinions from folks that don't like Trump. I hear a bunch of conjecture of what they think his motives might have been. I hear a lot of hearsay. I hear a lot of garbage.

Trumps has seen Biden as his biggest 2020 threat for quite some time, this was reported almost a year before his call to Zelensky asking "for a favor". Would you not agree that the rest of the Dem field is pretty much a joke?

Jul 25, 2018

https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-f...1bf871b-5edb-44e8-baa4-5506e99550fb.html

And they are at yours also. The difference is, you're stupid enough to think your vote will make them benevolent to you.

I have no doubts, however, you would happily kneel and face mecca 5 times a day for some free beans. You currently see nothing wrong with kneeling for a couple of nuts now.

I'll remind everyone of the way the law works in this country. Legitimate charges of violations of the law ALWAYS start with a cite of the code thought to be violated. There's a damn good reason the democrats have been avoiding that. Without the legal cite you don't even have the basis for a legitimate conversation.

They're all laughable.

Axios was dead wrong. Trump's internal polling at that time was saying Biden was not a threat. As a Trump supporter, I can tell you that nobody on this side of the fence has ever thought Biden was going to be serious competition. Biden's message is stale. He is a walking gaff machine. Nobody over here takes him seriously. Maybe you do, but then we try to be nice and tell the jokes slower for y'all.

Source of information?

There can be no honest discussion because Trump has done nothing wrong. This is nothing more than a coup by the democrats with the help of some republican establishment creatures attempting to defy the last election results and evade the certainty of the next election.

The most elaborate scheme to frame a President of the United States of America ever devised. The lies and BS have now snowballed into an avalanche and nobody knows where it will stop.

Ak, Trump has executive privilege to not respond to those subpoenas and has history to back it. Dims are free to take him to court over it and let the judicial system rule on whether he has to comply but they are too gutless to go the legal route because it takes time and because they would lose due to the illicit nature of their"investigation".

Here's an honest discussion. He makes the very same assertions I do. Not one thing he asserted as fact can be disputed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwP...lznGUIzsB_2mVtFzqy7p9zfSoKS1jrhQ7Nch2rfo

A fake dossier bought and paid for by a Woman who had 30k+ emails (many classified) sent thru a bathroom server who cost the taxpayers 45M dollar investigation misling a FISA judge with the assistance of a crooked FBI. Who would have thunk it . FBI IMHO needs to be dissolved and barring that(no pun intended) sweeped top to bottom.

A VP of the US whose son was a pawn of the Ukrainian government. Someone tell me that Zero knew nothing about this or any of his underlings.

^ Excellent 5 minute summary.

^ Excellent 5 minute summary Paul.

Now that there is presidential material. I don't care who y'are. Let me tell you. I can't wait for that man to get the nomination. That fellow right there is the best thing that's happened to the Democrat party since Shirley Chisolm-- at least if you're a Republican.

You have to wonder if the turds are paid to come out, spread the "word"? Why else would anyone be this stupid. The President is not articulet or a smooth communicator. He is trying to change Washington for the betterment of all of us. Those fighting this are complicit to a coup and should be dealt with harshly. Poeple on here, that oppose him to the point of wanting him impeached are no friend of us true Americans.

The problem is the right/conservatives are always so tolerant. This allows the liberal left to slowly move the progressive needle left. When are we going to push back? They have poked the bear long enough its time to shove the socialist back in the closet.

Look, Mister Squidge, I want you to take a good look at this man:



Imagine you're Donald Trump, sitting in the White House. This guy is 3 years older than you. He's never had an private-sector job. He can't open his mouth without inserting his foot. His boss, won't even endorse him. He can't draw flies at personal appearances.

Meanwhile, you're a gazillionaire. You're the incumbent. The polls are swinging your way. The opposition party is destroying itself trying to pin stuff on you. You've got the best economy and the lowest unemployment in two generations going into your re-election campaign. You're making deals with world leaders that are changing history. You can draw tens of thousands to your rallies.

Tell me that you'd be scared of this geriatric goomba to the point that you'd commit an impeachable offense to dig up some dirt from a 3rd rate country.

. . . oh, and one other thing.

Remember that FISA works both ways. Probably Donald J. Trump is sitting on some really juicy stuff from all the other Democrat goobas that have been scheming against him while at the same time lining their pockets with graft from foreign sources-- same as Joe and Hunter. You've got the whole lot of them sewed up and you're just biding your time before letting the truth leak out.

Tell me that you, Donald J. Trump would be going out on a limb to get some skinny on Joe Biden when you know you're going to be able to send the whole lot of them to Gitmo on what you already have.

Hmm, here is a fact.

The president ran on limiting foreign aid.

He called a halt and relook at all foreign aid when he took over.

He sets the policy on foreign aid, not congress.

Congress Ukraine aid bill demanded that the govn look at corruption in Ukraine.

That is exactly what got done.

Liberal lemmings get over it.

However, I am glad they lowered the bar on impeachment. That means in 2021 when Republicans take over the house again, they can use the Schiff for Brains rules and impeach Schiff, Nadler and Pelosi for obstruction of justice, consipiracy etc. Turn about is fair play. Beware of what you ask for Demoncrats.

shaman,
Your critical thinking and common sense is firing on all 8 cylinders......

You want honest?

Ok, the left has no option but to try to get rid of Trump, because he IS getting rid of them and their NWO handlers and financers.

See what has happened to the leftest scum in the FBI while yet still more justice is headed their way.

The crooked criminal scum like Piglosi, podestas, Schifty, Nadler and many more of your heros are probably headed to prison unless they have their way with Trump.

Get a clue. Trump didnt lie. Biden is a stone cold crook. You cant connect the dots. Hes a multimilliomaire 1 percenter who never held a real job. Hillary and Zero are almost there also.

They are fighting for their lives.

Here's how I think this happens. Did Trump hold back the money? Yes. But that's entirely his right to do so. It comes down to they why.

D's are spinning it as he held it to inflict pressure to get an investigation into a political rival for his own benefit and the only reason he released the money was people were about to find out so he did it so he wouldn't get caught.

Think about that for a minute. The only fact is he did delay the release of the money. Which is his right. Everything else is trying to read his mind. If this were to be in a court of law (which it isn't) it's a slam dunk, give one viable reason for him to have delayed and then released that is NOT for his personal benefit and you get "not guilty".

YOu simply can't convict someone because you THINK they had ulterior motives.

Liberal hate conservatives because they believe our motives are bad..... it's based on feelings rather than facts. They are mentally deficient .

And another thing:

You're Donald Trump. You've already got Joe Biden admitting he blackmailed Ukraine using US foreign aid money to get the Ukrainians to fire the prosecutor that was going after your son-- ON YOUTUBE NO LESS!!!!

See 52:33



Now tell me that you need to risk your political neck trying to dig up any more dirt on the guy.

He held the money from Ukraine but it wasn't because he wanted them to investigate his political opponents, it's because he didn't trust them because of their corruption. Seems a lot of people are forgetting that little fact.

The progressive fascists are taking legal actions of the president wrapping them in poop and using it as an excuse to impeach the one they hate.

Biden’s actions re Ukraine cry out for investigation of his apparent corruption. This investigation requires the cooperation of Ukraine and given the recent history of corruption in Ukraine’s government it’s just commonsense to use the leverage that our foreign aid provides to obtain their cooperation.

Trump did nothing wrong.

Not only that, Trump did RIGHT.

If you're not willing to call a spade what it is, we can't have an honest discussion. Was it okay for Trump to invite foreign interference on our elections?

I can concede to some great points against the democrats, which I have mentioned. Why can't people here admit he's made some serious mistakes? I'm also on the same page with you all about Biden and Clinton. But it is not accurate to say that Trump has done nothing wrong or has never lied.

If you want to go a wee bit beyond fact and allow me to give you a peek under the tent, I can give you some hints as to what's coming down soon. Y'all may be calling this "Conspiracy Theory" at the moment, but you have to understand that the stuff that was discussed in the Horowitz Report was "Conspiracy Theory" just a few short months ago.

1) Obama ordered the spying on Trump
2) Obama ordered the FBI, DOJ, CIA, and NSA to do everything they could for Hillary Clinton
3) Ukraine did a whole lot of mucking about in the 2016 election.
4) Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, and whole bunch of others were tapping into a corruption scheme where foreign aid money was allocated to governments (like Ukraine) and then these foreign governments kicked back a portion to be distributed to the lawmakers that voted the aid in.
5) Foreign espionage agencies were employed by the Obama administration to spy on and hinder the Trump campaign and his presidency.
6) Hillary and Bill have been running a pay-for-play operation out of the Clinton Foundation
7) And let's not even mention the child trafficking hoohaw that's about to blow up. That's just too far out there for poor Democrats to handle.

. . . and all of this has been coming out in drips and drabs in the media for the past few years (not Looney Tunes right wing media I'm talking NYT, WASHPO, AP, and Politico) and not been picked up in a big way. We've been seeing these articles, because we aren't sucked in by the mainstream narratives anymore and do our own digging and our own evaluations. All this is on its way into mainstream consciousness over the next 12 months, and if you're wondering why believe this drivel?

That's simple: it's coming from the same sources that predicted what was in the Horowitz Report.

So, if you're wondering how these simpleton braindead deplorables can come up with this crap, just wait. You'll see.

Yeah, right! Trump is brainwashing us. It's a cult. We're all mind-numbed robots. Just keep telling yourself that over and over and over . . .

The whole premise of your question is false..... it is based upon lies fed to you by the msm.... it's unfortunate you don't posses the critical thinking skills to see through the propaganda.

Honest discussion started with a lie. LOL

Of course Biden is walking n talking gaff machine, I want your source about Trump's internal polling you stated you had seen or someone from Trump's circle stating Biden was not his biggest threat in 2020. Geesh!

I'm not going to say either thing. All I'm saying is that I trust him a hell of a lot more than Hillary or Obama or Bill Clinton or Joe Biden. I also really, really appreciate his results so far. I'm hoping for a glorious second term for the man.

The beginning, middle, and end....I would love to watch Nadler choke on a chicken bone, with Pelosi and Schiff trying to save him 😎

......................................Who was POTUS back in 2016? And which POTUS was warned back in 2014 of foreign election interference? And which POTUS failed to address that issue and did not do a damned thing to clean it up?

The real question is and should be,,,,,,,Did Trump make grave enough mistakes to warrant impeachment and removal from office,,,,UNDER THE GUISE of the US CONSTITUTION??..................................

NO!!!!!

It'd take both of the scrawny women to get their arms around him!

The logic escapes them........

I'm sure if you dig, you'll find it. That's what we do. Go back and listen to the speeches and the pressers. Have fun. Heck, you might even learn to like the guy.

If you want proof, just look at Biden's trajectory now. Trump was talking about his imminent drop in June and July. Trump is surging against Democrats right now in swing states.

Frankly, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this whole Ukraine thing was a Trump-inspired gambit to force the Democrats to impeach him. Vinkman was a known rat with ties to Schiff's office. What better way to blow up the Dems! You gotta love it.

+1

Unless someone was under a rock, they saw Trump asking Russia, Ukraine, and China to investigate Clinton and the Bidens. And I'm not even talking about the phone call. I'm talking about several instances from the man himself to lots of cameras. Or were those doctored videos?

Are you against investigating corruption?

Unfortunately, we will have to wait for the 2020 elections to see how manu Democrats are returned to the house to discover what impeachment actually did for anyone.

For me it was a lot more than a joke.....it was grounds for charges of treason to be bought to a helluva lot of congress people and other Washington D C folks....punishable with capital punishment.

Why not? Is it because you think it is okay and he's not done anything wrong, or are you afraid to hold him accountable?

I respect that you trust him more than those others.

And why shouldn't he? They're all criminals. As I said, just wait and see.

You're just not getting it. Trump did not invite anyone to interfere in our elections. He asked the Ukrainians to reopen the investigation into CRIMINAL activity, which was dropped when Biden and The Zero's administration threatened to withhold funds years prior. The wrongdoing rests at the feet of the dims and they got caught trying to cover it up.

Read that over and over until you understand what really happened.

How so? Was every video from every camera doctored?

I cited a source which you pooh-poohed that said Trump felt Biden was his biggest threat in 2020, then you made claims about Trump's internal polling stating otherwise that you refuse to support. The BS flag has been thrown, you got nothing.

Quote where Trump requested interference in our elections.

It's totally laughable that anyone believes that Russia is looking for ways to damage America.

America doesn't need any assistance from anyone in order for it to continue its decline. Nobody knows this better than the leadership of Russia.

Russia has already suffered through its Bolshevik Revolution and it totally understands what the Bolsheviks are doing to America.

But you are making an unprovable assumption that he did it to corrupt the election, he did it because they are crooked, not for personal gain

Because at this point, I'm far more afraid of what would happen if a Democrat got in. I fear for my family. I fear for my livelihood. I fear for my 1st and 2nd Amendment Rights. I fear for the Republic.

You remind me of someone I met at a party back during Regan's first term. He wanted me to agree that Regan was a cowboy and trying to take us to war with the Soviets. He wanted Regan impeached on those grounds. He used the same logic and even asked me if I was afraid to hold him accountable for his actions.

I think at that point I conveniently found I needed to go to the bathroom and when I got back he was off pestering somebody else.

Excuse me. I've got to pee.

Of course not. Russia is a christian nation, with christian values that date back a millennium. They certainly wish us no harm.

At least that is what many on here state, unabashedly.

But of course that is bullshidt.

True enough Bristoe...... our campfire lib's have no clue what you are talking about though....

Proper investigation by our Department of Justice . . . absolutely not! Please check my previous posts regarding the Bidens and Clinton. But the key difference here, which it seems far too many here fail to grasp, is that inviting foreign states to do so on political opponents is, at the very least, a serious conflict of interest, and arguably impeachable.

Gruff,
We used to be the good guys... the shining city on the hill .. a beacon of freedom etc..... but we have since been co-opted by New World order Bolsheviks, the enemy within.

Trump is trying to reverse that....

I don't trust the Russians, but I see the Russians fighting the new world order also.... so it makes a guy think... hmmm

Leftist depend on a perpetual boogy man , they divide and conquer, that is part of their playbook...

Well,...for that matter, many of the campfire's conservatives don't either.

Uuum, did you read the Horowitz report? point is our FBI, CIA, DOJ etc... has been co-opted and politicized by the left. They are crooked and aren't to be trusted...
Have you been under a rock the last few years?

I'll help you with something here. "Political opponent" doesn't appear in the language of any laws that could possibly be at play here.

The reason Trump asked Ukraine to do the investigation into Biden's corruption is because that's where Biden's corruption occurred.

It's not a difficult thing to understand unless your brains have been turned to schitt by the constant barrage of lies coming from the Communists in Congress and the Communist media.

From Fox News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8oDTab16j8
and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsvWg2FBnts

Political opponent? Biden is not the chosen Democratic candidate, and he was IN OFFICE as VP when the actions to be investigated occurred. If anything, the previous administration is complicit in not doing their duty.

Investigate them all. It is BEYOND time to do so.

Start a new thread with links to the videos and maybe we have members that can answer whether they are “doctored”.

I found this interesting. That said, I stay out of u.s. politics. Canada has its own share of political issues.

Because it constitutes abuse of power when it comes from the President.

................Apparently there is a need to re-educate YOU that YOU sadly overlook..IT IS CALLED THE US CONSTITUTION..

AGAIN!! READ SLOWLY and try to COMPREHEND!!

UNDER ARTICLE 2 OF THE US CONSTITUTION, A SITTING POTUS HAS FULL AUTHORITY TO AUTHORIZE AN INVESTIGATION OF ANY FOREIGN COUNTRY IF IT IS DEEMED THAT CORRUPTION IS TAKING PLACE THAT COULD HAVE ANY ADVERSE AFFECT UPON THE UNITED STATES,,,,,REGARDLESS,,,,,OF WHOMEVER THE SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION MAY BE..............................

The dems in looking for crimes HAVE ASSUMED that Trump was looking for political favor regarding Joe Biden.......

Biden has not even been nominated yet. So in technical terms he cannot be considered as a political rival.

Sorry akmtnrunner........................By Constitutional standards, NO IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES......

The Constitution of the US is on the side of the POTUS.....

Leave your opinions, conjectures, assumptions and emotional blather at the door or throw them all out the damned window...Just a suggestion whereby you would be well served.....

Getting Biden investigated is a start. It would be better if Trump had the time to coordinate investigations into all the corruption that Democrats have engaged in with the countries that the corruption occurred in.

Probably a good thing that you do, since you're as clueless as the rest of the 'tards...............

Biden engaged in massive abuse of power when he started taking kickbacks from Ukraine through his son.

Investigating Biden's political corruption isn't an abuse of power.

Canada's president is an unabashed racist and proud of it. Yeh, you should stick to Canadian politics

Many folks that think this way and want to interpret the "hidden meaning" behind a simple statement are the same ones that wanted "Baby it's Cold Outside" taken off the airwaves because the poor girl is clearly and repeatedly saying she really can't stay. No has to mean No. Unless we're needing it to not mean No next week when we are talking about Trump or the GOP......

Come on now. Blackface is racist? It's a non-issue.

So you refuse to hold him accountable out of fear of a Democrat. I appreciate your honesty, at least, but this is what I am so frustrated and saddened by. When we refuse to hold 'our guy' accountable just because of party affiliation. That's a dark road to follow down.

Please don't confuse me with someone else. You're going to have to try harder to justify not holding the president accountable.

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How it's done matters. That is the key here that I have been saying all along.

Exactly. It takes a lot of creative reading to get there. Fortunately our laws are written in such a way that it takes more than creative reading to convict someone of a crime.

Well -documented millions of dollars in bribes from Russia, China and the Ukraine given to the Clintons and Bidens during the Obama administration who refused to investigate. Now we know that the FBI, CIA and Dept of State are corrupt organizations, Based on the IG report, that repeatedly submitted false documents and held back exculpatory information to protect Biden and the Clintons.

Clear that any educated American citizen understands why Trump needed to initiate an investigation of our enemies bribing our publicly elected officials. Pretty dang simple

Again, I've said it is great for US to investigate a foreign country. That's cool. But that is not what Trump is being impeached for.

Not so fast. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/video-trumps-claims-on-ig-report-and-russia-investigation/

Again, no one is asserting we should not investigate our foreign enemies. This impeachment is about Trump asking our enemies to investigate domestic political rivals.

Hillary Clinton is running in 2020? Thats news to me

No,...Trump was asking Ukraine to investigate Ukranians who participated with Biden's corruption.

What is it that makes leftists such liars?

Burisma was already under investigation for outright theft of US and GB money. Biden put a stop to that investigation well before Trump arrived on the scene. If Biden and his son get caught up in an investigation for their past malfeasance, tough schitt. It’s got nothing to do with Trump it was already an issue long before he voiced concerns about it. The former Vice President is up to his neck in a quid pro quo. Don’t take my word for it just watch the video. Everyone is outraged about Biden’s bizarre admissions and his son’s crack cocaine habit while garnering multi million dollar deals in Ukraine, Hungry and China. Right where Daddy was traveling all the time. You have to be a blind, biased dumbass not to see truth in this whole affair.

BTW those who claim abuse of power which is not in the constitution for impeachment should take a close look of all previous presidents before hurling that claim.

He called on Russian to investigate her back in 2016, when she was running against him, in the presidential election. Try to follow along. That, itself was not impeachable as he wasn't sitting president (and it's not part of this impeachment case), though it certainly raised some eyebrows and established a track record for that behavior.

The Clintons & Obama's went to Washington with very modest net worth.... and left Washington with hundreds of millions......

Trump went to Washington with trillions and will probably leave with less net worth

Yet fools like akmtnrunner, believe Trump is the crook.... you can't make this chit up.... another level of stupid

Moron, it was a joke.... he was expressing his frustration with our intelligence agency's corruption in investigating Clinton..
Read the Horowitz report!

So you're caught lying again

Lots of smart people on this site but man there are a couple people here who have got to be the dumbest people on Earth! e.g. akmtnrunner

..............akmtnrunningnutjob......Man oh man. U are quite the dense and ignorant individual....What Trump is being impeached for oh dense one, is NOT MANDATED by or under the CONSTITUTION with regards to high crimes and misdemeanors....In other words oh dense one, you cannot reconcile the Constitution with any reasons why the house is impeaching.....And also let me remind your clueless about the law and Constitution ass, that even though the house may vote to impeach, it is still not impeachment and NO REMOVAL FROM OFFICE WILL TAKE PLACE........So! GO POUND SOME MORE CLUELESS SAND OH IGNORANT ONE.....
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How stupid is your comment, he said and laughed because the DNC and Clinton were to stupid to protect their electronic communications (dummy John Podesta), Everyone new this it was in the news. When then Sec of State Clinton in communicating with Zero both transmitted classified info on Clinton’s personal unsecured servers violating the espionage act. You need a gov SIPRNET server to transmit classified info. Yet Trumps the guy you need to get, What fkin hogwash are you peddling.

Well, there are multiple sources that say Bidens' names were omitted from the transcript, but it's hard to argue with this: Trump saying it himself that the Bidens were a topic in the phone call. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPORF1rZU2w

Saying as much does not make me a leftist or a liar.

The Bidens DO need to be investigated! Asking Ukraine to help with that is NOT a crime! Damn. Wake up and stop watching CNN!

The *real* issue is why you feel the need to humiliate yourself by getting on a forum full of conservatively minded people and spewing this nonsense.

Find the right pill for that. It's embarrassing to witness.

With that you showed your intellectual dishonesty. You aren't the least bit interested in an honest discussion.

More BS. No multiple anything. Your hero Vindman already testified to the accuracy of the call transcript under oath. You like making schitt up, don’t you.

This explains: https://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.html

They always show their worthless ass, every single time. Some just take longer than others but they always show their worthless asses.

Goodness, awful lot of wasted bandwidth here. They got chit.

Yet, factually correct. I've yet to see any counter facts. Only insults and mischaracterizations.

I've not made anything up. I've only referenced facts. It's become quite clear most people here are very uncomfortable with them.

There not facts when they are propaganda generated for the low IQ voters.

Not a crime, but impeachable. Check this link: https://www.crf-usa.org/impeachment/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors.html

there is a very long list of (mostly Democrats) that need to be investigated and indicted and if we can't introduce them to a rope, at least lock them up for the rest of their lives.....they are treasonous!.....at the least

No it's not, and I won't read your fake news. President Trump was doing his job! You can't impeach him for doing his job. If it were up to me, Ukraine would not get any money from us, ever.

On 24hr campfire?

You poor pilgrim...

You always use radical left wing biased and fake sources,

" An honest discussion" the irony is lost on you when you keep quoting lies and falsehoods

"Not a crime but impeachable." There is the BS.

Why don’t you address Vindman’s testimony he’s a fact witness who was on the call and testified on behalf of Dems to the accuracy of the transcript, so did Morrison his boss who was on the call. No one on the call disputes the transcript. Your still peddling BS.

Outnumbered, certainly, but not humiliated. I've not gone out on any limbs, just referenced facts from solid sources, even Fox if you consider them solid. I said in my second post way back that I don't expect this to be productive. I started this thread out of disgust for the tone happening in D.C.. I've become more aware for the basis of which . . . fear of 'our guy' losing.

If you still think Trump is the best guy for the job, I can respect that. I'm okay with him staying in office. But not providing some amount of oversight that the constitution mandates . . . is dangerous to the future of our country. My hope is that we can hold our elected officials to some level of accountability to the oaths they swear.

I believe I've brought enough to the table for folks to chew on and rest my case. Have a good weekend, folks.

Because I concluded the testimony wasn't conclusive one way or another and wanted to keep the discussion to the things we knew for a fact.

Fox news is radical left wing? I never referenced CNN anywhere.

Alright, I do have to go.

What the hell are you talking about. Vindman, Morrison and another women who works for VP Pence were on the call and testified under oath that the call record presented by the President was accurate. Those are fact witnesses, what's not conclusive about that?

The fact is that Trump quip was not a serious call for an investigation. It was a damn joke. The fact is only the intellectually dishonest or the painfully dumb would assert that it was anything other than a damn wisecrack. Which camp are you in?

I never thought of the possibility that Jeff Obama had a brother here on the fire...........

Very well could be a JellO puppet, sounds like him....

You wouldn't recognize a fact if it jumped up and bloodied your nose.

Your gullibility is astounding...assuming you are being honest, of course. I assume nothing about you, but I do recognize naivete.

Holy Fuggg, You're an IDIOT...

Well Brad, when a LYING LIBERAL TROLL uses the word "honest" in his origional post- That is pretty much a joke right there.

I wonder how many times you have to repeat the punchline of a joke before he gets it.

.......Maybe not! BUT CLUELESS IDIOT would suffice!

Ukraine is now our enemy? WTF over?

1. There is nothing rational when discussing Democrat "facts"

2. If you think those are "facts", you are very gullible and do not understand much.

......................You really are a pathetic ignorant on the law and Constitution MORON Mr. akmtnrunningclown.......And quite hilarious and foolish as well............

In your post above and I quote..........."NOT A CRIME, BUT IMPEACHABLE."........Unquote..........LOL>>>LOL>>>LOL>>>>.......................

Do ya see what is wrong with your post???

I really love educating STUPID BAFOONS such as yourself.....

IN ORDER TO IMPEACH, YOU MUST HAVE A CRIME.....IF YOU HAVE NO CRIME, THEN YOU CANNOT IMPEACH.......

Just a SLIGHT contradiction on your part...........DUMMY!!!!.................LOL>>>LOL>>>LOL...............

Damn this is fun!!

All this back and forth isn’t going to change anyone’s mind. There are two things that matter. The first is that the Senate will not convict him. The second is that I, along with more than 50% of the voters will vote for him in the next election.

A side benefit is that many Democrat’s heads will explode.

They just do not like Trump.

Hopefully many will find a tall building to jump off of.

takes a person as stupid as a demorrhoid, ta believe it's illegal ta dial 911 to report a crime.

Above, you ADMIT to Bristoe you are OUTNUMBERED by conservatives here, which is EVIDENCE you are admitting you are a COMMUNIST.

Below is your post from where you LIED about being a conservative.



You are a lying USEFUL IDIOT, being used by the COMMUNISTS, and you’re TWO STOOPUD ™ to know it.

How can you have an honest discussion about a dishonest process that has no basis in facts?

The democrats had only heresy.

EXCELLENT!

Yeah, maybe throw in a little lunacy as well.