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Well, of course there is the practical aspect that is more important to the great majority of rifle buyers than the issues of "cool" and nostalgic. Practical in 2019 calls for the purchase of a rifle chambered in either 243 or 6.5 CM, while nostalgia seduces a buyer to take the road less traveled and find a rifles chambered in either 250-3000 or 257 Roberts.

I find practical to be a good thing, it make life easier, but owning something that may not be practical, but which prompts nostalgic memories is nice, even if it requires a little extra effort to operate. Every time I pick up a Savage 1920, I think about Larry Koller and wonder if he might have hunted with it and if it might be a rifle that he alluded to in "Shots At Whitetails. I wonder if a Savage Axis found under a Christmas tree two days hence will prompt similar memories for a young teen in 2069?

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Originally Posted by roundoak
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My 99 takedown .250, circa 1919, does very well with the load from Hornady #3, 37gr IMR4320. It gets 3071 fps and 1.5-1,75" three shot groups. My 700 Classic with 24" barrel, 100gr NBTs, and the same powder charge, clocks 3003fps and 1/2" groups. The big (26" barrel) .257 with 85gr NBTs and 47gr W760 clocks 3347 and sub 1/2", while the 23" barreled 95 Mauser shoots sub 1" with several loads. Velocity of the 100gr Hornadys is about 3100. I love them all.


Shootinurse, some questions.

1) What barrel length of the M 99 takedown?

2) Hornady #3 manual load, are you using the 100 grain Hornady bullet and what case and primer?

3) How many firings can you get from a case with that Hornady load?

Barrel is 23 3/4 inches. Had to be cut back a bit to clean up the crown.

87 gr Speer Hot Core, Remington brass, and Remington 9 1/2 primer. Worked up the load. Velocity is just under the 3100 fps Hornady had with their 87gr bullet. Have not had much luck with 100gr bullets in that rifle. Three-four inch groups are about average. That 87gr Hot Core drops deer nicely, even close range through the shoulder.

Don't shoot the rifle much, but I've had five or six loadings without case loss. I'm doing partial resizing rather than squeezing things all the way back.



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While choice is everyone's option I tend to lean toward the 250 Savage in newer rifles.Although nostalgia rifles have their place also. Never had a 257 Roberts. Did not see the need as the 250-3000 fills my need for accurate performance on deer and varmite size game. Nothing wrong with either one IMO as they will both do what they were designed to do. My Savage 99 in 250-3000 was my go to deer rifle for many years and it still sits in a stand with me from time to time.



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Your picture reminds me of the 700 Classics in 250-3000 that I bought in the 1990's and early 2000's for the sole purpose of rechambering to 25-284.

Too bad that Remington never chose to make the 700 MR in 250-3000.

My favorite newer 250-3000 is the Winchester 70 Lightweight Carbine made in 1987. A nice little rifle that is forever handicapped by its 1-14" ROT barrel. Aesthetically even nicer if the barreled action is put into a 70 FWT stock, giving us an idea about what the Savage 1920 might have grown into.

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Your picture reminds me of the 700 Classics in 250-3000 that I bought in the 1990's and early 2000's for the sole purpose of rechambering to 25-284.

Too bad that Remington never chose to make the 700 MR in 250-3000.

My favorite newer 250-3000 is the Winchester 70 Lightweight Carbine made in 1987. A nice little rifle that is forever handicapped by its 1-14" ROT barrel. Aesthetically even nicer if the barreled action is put into a 70 FWT stock, giving us an idea about what the Savage 1920 might have grown into.



Put a 1-10 ROT barrel on the Win 70 and have some fun! Save the 1-14 ROT barrel just in case.


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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Well, of course there is the practical aspect that is more important to the great majority of rifle buyers than the issues of "cool" and nostalgic. Practical in 2019 calls for the purchase of a rifle chambered in either 243 or 6.5 CM, while nostalgia seduces a buyer to take the road less traveled and find a rifles chambered in either 250-3000 or 257 Roberts.

I find practical to be a good thing, it make life easier, but owning something that may not be practical, but which prompts nostalgic memories is nice, even if it requires a little extra effort to operate. Every time I pick up a Savage 1920, I think about Larry Koller and wonder if he might have hunted with it and if it might be a rifle that he alluded to in "Shots At Whitetails. I wonder if a Savage Axis found under a Christmas tree two days hence will prompt similar memories for a young teen in 2069?

Practical is what most people want, but loonies need to be loonies. Feel free to quote me if you like. laugh



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Originally Posted by shootinurse
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My 99 takedown .250, circa 1919, does very well with the load from Hornady #3, 37gr IMR4320. It gets 3071 fps and 1.5-1,75" three shot groups. My 700 Classic with 24" barrel, 100gr NBTs, and the same powder charge, clocks 3003fps and 1/2" groups. The big (26" barrel) .257 with 85gr NBTs and 47gr W760 clocks 3347 and sub 1/2", while the 23" barreled 95 Mauser shoots sub 1" with several loads. Velocity of the 100gr Hornadys is about 3100. I love them all.


Shootinurse, some questions.

1) What barrel length of the M 99 takedown?

2) Hornady #3 manual load, are you using the 100 grain Hornady bullet and what case and primer?

3) How many firings can you get from a case with that Hornady load?

Barrel is 23 3/4 inches. Had to be cut back a bit to clean up the crown.

87 gr Speer Hot Core, Remington brass, and Remington 9 1/2 primer. Worked up the load. Velocity is just under the 3100 fps Hornady had with their 87gr bullet. Have not had much luck with 100gr bullets in that rifle. Three-four inch groups are about average. That 87gr Hot Core drops deer nicely, even close range through the shoulder.

Don't shoot the rifle much, but I've had five or six loadings without case loss. I'm doing partial resizing rather than squeezing things all the way back.


I read your original post as too hot of a load for the 99 if the bullet was a 100 grain bullet. Thanks for clearing that up. Yes sir, that 87 grain Speer Hot-Cor is the ticket for the ROT 1-14" 99s, I even use it exclusively in my 99-A with a ROT 1-10" and not afraid to put it into shoulders.


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All 25s are cool IMO, older is better it shows it's been around the block a few times. Some may be harder to get but are still available if you look and can be given a boost with the newer powders and projectiles.
How many of these new whiz bang cartridges will be around in 90 years or more like the 25/35, 250 savage and 257 Roberts. Time will tell if newer is better or the old just plod along in the background quietly getting the job done.
To all a merry Christmas and a happy New year. No matter what floats your boat be safe, be happy and keep shooting no matter what caliber you used.

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Originally Posted by Pappy348
Maybe an action issue too. If I was itching all over for a .25, I'd pick the cartridge that best fit my action of choice. In a single shot, some thought would be given to barrel life and availability of good brass and/or ammo too.

All things considered, my 6mms make the most sense for me right now. I can shoot 115s out of my Creedmoor if I feel a need.


Well, some [bleep] had to bring up the creemoooore in this thread. Heaven forbid its not mentioned for a couple hours.


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Originally Posted by Crockettnj
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Maybe an action issue too. If I was itching all over for a .25, I'd pick the cartridge that best fit my action of choice. In a single shot, some thought would be given to barrel life and availability of good brass and/or ammo too.

All things considered, my 6mms make the most sense for me right now. I can shoot 115s out of my Creedmoor if I feel a need.


Well, some [bleep] had to bring up the creemoooore in this thread. Heaven forbid its not mentioned for a couple hours.


To be fair, azzhole, the Creedmoor reference was made because that particular 6mm has a twist that allows the use of bullets tending towards the heavier end of the commonly available .25 caliber spectrum. The same applies to any .24 with the same twist and a magazine that lets you use them. Hardly a reason to call someone a f*g.

Perhaps you should just avert thine eyes if you're so sensitive.

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Thanks for clarification on the 250 savage improved I knew there was two different angles just thought they were both AI as my reloading stuff just mentions a 28 degree, 40 degree and standard
My own personal 25/303 Epps Newton improved has a 35 degree shoulder



So in short, you were wrong.


How so?

The Ackley is 40°, but there is a 250 Improved 28° cartridge. A reloading die set from Huntingtons' is # 56162

another reloading set: die set or another die set

Reamer: reamer


Did you read the whole thread? Do you need Cliff notes?


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Originally Posted by 25epps
All 25s are cool IMO, older is better it shows it's been around the block a few times. Some may be harder to get but are still available if you look and can be given a boost with the newer powders and projectiles.
How many of these new whiz bang cartridges will be around in 90 years or more like the 25/35, 250 savage and 257 Roberts. Time will tell if newer is better or the old just plod along in the background quietly getting the job done.
To all a merry Christmas and a happy New year. No matter what floats your boat be safe, be happy and keep shooting no matter what caliber you used.



I'd but a box of doughnuts, that you'll be able to find a Creedmoor in 90 years. To find a 250 Savage, someone will need to know your full name and have a shovel.


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Look forward to trying mine out in the next few days.

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Look forward to trying mine out in the next few days.

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That one was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO tempting. Near about a perfect little 250 Savage.


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Originally Posted by shootinurse
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Well, of course there is the practical aspect that is more important to the great majority of rifle buyers than the issues of "cool" and nostalgic. Practical in 2019 calls for the purchase of a rifle chambered in either 243 or 6.5 CM, while nostalgia seduces a buyer to take the road less traveled and find a rifles chambered in either 250-3000 or 257 Roberts.

I find practical to be a good thing, it make life easier, but owning something that may not be practical, but which prompts nostalgic memories is nice, even if it requires a little extra effort to operate. Every time I pick up a Savage 1920, I think about Larry Koller and wonder if he might have hunted with it and if it might be a rifle that he alluded to in "Shots At Whitetails. I wonder if a Savage Axis found under a Christmas tree two days hence will prompt similar memories for a young teen in 2069?

Practical is what most people want, but loonies need to be loonies. Feel free to quote me if you like. laugh


That explains my rifles chambered in 218 Bee, 219 Zipper, 22HP, 25-20, 25-35, 256 WIN MAG, 256 Newton, 276 Pedersen, etc.

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To me the 250 Savage and 257 Rbt's are at their best in a nicely stocked wood/blue rifle like Sakohunter264's above. In a plastic-fantastic, I'll take the Creedmoor.

I've got a Kimber Classic Select in 257 Rob showing Friday... fingers crossed the wood is as good as it appears in the photos... it's a 2012 mfg, not one of the blonde 2x6's found on the current crop of Kimbers (insert gag-reflex here).


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The 250 AI is the one I'd really like......but then you are just .007 away from a yes, the dreaded 6.5 Creedmoor! Never was a Roberts fan, good round, but then you are almost a twin of the 6.5x55........they all get the job done no doubt. I do like the vanilla 25-06........it needs a big brother....commercialized..........

The Wins and Kimbers with blue/wood are nice.

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sqweeler, I've seen that photo before... you absolutely got one of the better sticks of wood on a Kimber 257 out there!


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