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Once more, back to the basics.

The Spiritually blind can only perceive darkness, the Light is not in them.

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What a fun post to read.

This reminds me of evidence. It does not change. t remains the same for all readers/observers. The problems begin with interpretation. Some try to convert what the evidence clearly shows and say it is something it clearly does not show. Why? Because the actual meaning does not suit the needs of the faith of the believer. The believer is not looking at it objectively. The filter of their brainwashing screens whatever does not suit.

God's Word tells us Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world. Sin was not an intrusion into God's plan. He created Satan with full knowledge. Perhaps He looked forward to the curse with glee; or perhaps with sadness. We finites cannot know because His way are higher than ours.

We are closer to a being a dirt clod than we are to being like God.

Little kids can be saved by Jesus Christ.

The fact that if you believe and confess with your mouth you are surely saved does not mean that is the only way, it means that is the SURE way.

Jesus Christ can take those to the Father HE deems fit, whether they have heard the word and confessed their sins or not. Those who have heard the good news are the ones who have to choose or reject it.

AS,
Yes, it is by faith that we believe. But you have faith as well - your faith tells you there is no God. Faith is just belief and trust (or assurance). I’m just as sure there is a God as you are sure there isn’t. I’m not trying to convince you, that’s not my responsibility. I’m just saying there is danger ahead. You can proceed at your own risk. Should you continue on, at least you have no one to blame but yourself because it’s your decision alone.

I believe and follow Jesus's teachings.
These posts always bring in the naysayers, it is where they are at but I always sense a distinct lack of peace in their language. Jesus offers a lasting peace to his followers, inexplicable to the doubters, indescribable to many Christian's.
That is up to the individual to investigate, hard selling the teachings doesn't work. , tv evangelizing, pulpit pounding etc does not work , imo.
It is pretty easy to do for yourself , sit on a stump , look at the mountaintops and give thanks.

As the story goes, they were not mentally equipped to make them. It was only after the fact that they understood.

Just as God planned would happen and knew what would happen because it was his set up.

He puts ignorance, intolerance and bigotry on display like a badge of honour. All the while believing himself to be a good Christian, so if not fun, it is kind of amusing.

Your context is false. You fail to take so many things into account that it's ridiculous. I'll just say that this hypothetical, omniscient/omnipotent God could have done a better job of it from the beginning. And please, don't appeal to free will.....you know very well that children cannot make reliable life choices for a reason.....think about it.

It was your context that was off; I was merely asking you to consider your comments from inside the system you criticize just for the sake of intellectual honesty.

Again I have no problem with your questioning and criticizing I don’t take it personally. You do seem rather angry about the assertions of something you consider a fairytale tho?

I’m not a guy to appeal to free will. Your willingness to question an Almighty Transcendent God is an example of where I’d be were it for free will of the autonomous sort most people speak.

Bondage suits me well.

Greeks and Romans in the time the Jesus story is set, did not wipe their ass with bare hands.
and the Romans did have a form of plumbing for their toilets.

It took such pagans to teach dopey jews and christians about better hygiene.

Those tribal folk who recognized what was good had the sense to adopt
the Greek and Roman ways.



the character of JC was far from first or last to suffer terrible punishment for crimes
one did not commit.

So It is in large part a hugely beat up mythical story by religious cult fanatics,
for in such times folks in general would not actually make a lot of fuss about
such an incident, considering all the things that could and did befall people in
such times.

probably be a good idea for christians to actually do some quality indepth reading
on relevant ancient history rather that just relying on disparate, simplistic religious
spin merchant extended parable accounts in Bible.

but i suspect most will out of fear, just stay in their safe space enslavement
to subjective narrative primitive mythology.

or total indifference.

however we do know the Lord gets peronal pleasure out of destroying
as expressed in Deuteronomy 28:63.

Truly you are an arrogant individual. You couldn't create a multi-billion dollar business and live for 200 years and yet you think you can do a better job for all of history. You are special!

I've read that in the Bible, but I find it a bit confusing. I've heard from a lot of Christians that the way they came to believe was by some life changing event that left them convinced that God had spoken to them. Many of them were not seeking at all, and perhaps didn't even want to believe. The Apostle Paul might even fit that description, I don't know. It just seems like that statement doesn't always hold true. It seems like you need to believe in order to understand, but you also need to understand before you can believe, if that makes sense.

Why does Strobel not make mention of catholic miracles
considering they are some of the most documented?

could it be his Evangelical Protestant bias perhaps?




God most certainly deployed the best trickster in the business for the task.

and since his son was pre-destined for sacrfice (before the foundation of the world),
then he couldnt risk Adam/Eve making a different choice, ..so yes, the deck
was stacked.

People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive. - Blaise Pascal

And then they go looking for reasons to substantiate their belief.

This likely applies to one’s ‘rejection of’ the existence of God...as well as one’s ‘belief in’ the existence of God.

Thomas Nagel is a professor at New York University who teaches philosophy and law, and he’s an atheist. And as an atheist he makes an extraordinary confession...he didn’t just come to the conclusion based on the data...he said:

“I ‘want’ atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers.” - Thomas Nagel

“It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, ‘hope’ that I’m right in my belief. I don’t ‘want’ there to be a God; I don’t ‘want’ the universe to be like that.” - Thomas Nagel

There’s clearly a difference between “I *don’t* believe it” and “I don’t *want* to believe it”.

Fun post. Thanks.

I'm not the arrogant one abusing others because they question beliefs and point out problems, in other words, discussing the issues and not attacking an opponent. That is you and your group.

The context was wrong because the context described in genesis tells us that God placed two naive individuals, not having knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong, in the garden with a cunning Serpent in the full knowledge of what would happen....and it was only upon eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that they knew what they had done.

That clearly is the context because that is the story line.