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Looking to have a rifle built in the next year or so. It's going to be a Model 70 action. I have my eye on a potential donor. At first I was thinking .257Wby Mag. But .338 has had my attention for some reason. I don't need either one of them for anything particular. But I could see a use for each one certainly. I'm thinking I'd want the .257 to be a bit lighter, easier to carry, walking around type rifle. Shooting across swamps or poking at deer out west. The.338 would be an all around type rifle. Could be stand hunting WT deer, could be hunting thick stuff for snowshoe hairs. Neither would be at game further than 400 yds and hopefully...a lot closer. Which kinda leans .338 but I like both. Too small for snowshoe hares. My vote is for the .338 WM.
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I'll do the Campfire thing and suggest something you didn't ask about. Given your choice of cartridges I'll assume your donor is already set up for a belted mag diameter case. So how about a 264 mag with an 8" twist? That has crossed my mind. What is the shortest barrel length I can have and still be effective? I have a CM for slow poke 6.5 stuff
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I like the 338 Win a bunch. Great elk rifle for me and packs pretty decently as well. I usually shoot 200-210âs around 2950-3000 FPS. Works great for me. Itâs not any better than a 300 Magnum but I like the rifle a lot and itâs comfortable to shoot for me. Between it and my 7mm Mashburn Super, they get the lions share of hunting for deer and elk. A 257 Wby or similar would be pretty slick on a lightweight 70 as well. Tough choice.. I say build both I would love to. My pocketbook wonât allow it at this time.
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Had one of those built on a 70 Classic stainless. Sold it. Shouldn't have.
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I'd vote for the 257, The 338 is a great cartridge, but there's no point in putting up with the recoil unless you have a very specific requirement for it in mind.
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Looking to have a rifle built in the next year or so. It's going to be a Model 70 action. At first I was thinking .257Wby Mag. But .338 has had my attention for some reason. I don't need either one of them for anything particular. But I could see a use for each Which will scratch the bigger itch?
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âHands downâ......the .338 WM! Then sell off the other stuff you have! memtb
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I've owned one 338 and built two 257 WB mags, both on Win 70 actions. Found recoil similar to an identical 270 win, shooting both side by side. I am a big fan of the 257 WBM as it is a super performer and down right sexy. The things I didn't like was 1) brass is expensive and my handloads did not match factory velocity (granted I could have pushed harder) 2) ammo is expensive and not readily available and 3) not a cartridge I'd want to shoot a lot simply as I would want to maintain barrel integrity. For a deer hunting cartridge, a personal favorite for sure. The 338 is special purpose to me and not something I really need so I sold mine off (regret that too!) but can get one if I need one. Mine was a factory Supergrade with fantastic wood which I loaded down just a bit for deer (never killed one with it).
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I'll do the Campfire thing and suggest something you didn't ask about. Given your choice of cartridges I'll assume your donor is already set up for a belted mag diameter case. So how about a 264 mag with an 8" twist? That has crossed my mind. What is the shortest barrel length I can have and still be effective? I have a CM for slow poke 6.5 stuff My father's 24" Model 70 was plenty effective.
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Split the difference 7mm Rem mag . Those 2 cartridges are polar opposites. I donât have a lot of interest in a 7mag. I should because I love the .280. But becaise I have a .280, I donât have a lot of interest.
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I'll do the Campfire thing and suggest something you didn't ask about. Given your choice of cartridges I'll assume your donor is already set up for a belted mag diameter case. So how about a 264 mag with an 8" twist? Tom, you might consider true purpose before going through the process of building something. I know you have other horses in the stable so you might consider something more purpose built. And I only mention because I've traveled "path random" before and they're generally the ones that have been sold along the way at a modest loss. OTOH, if "because I just want one or the other" is your reasoning, that's also good enough for me.
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I'll do the Campfire thing and suggest something you didn't ask about. Given your choice of cartridges I'll assume your donor is already set up for a belted mag diameter case. So how about a 264 mag with an 8" twist? Tom, you might consider true purpose before going through the process of building something. I know you have other horses in the stable so you might consider something more purpose built. And I only mention because I've traveled "path random" before and they're generally the ones that have been sold along the way at a modest loss. OTOH, if "because I just want one or the other" is your reasoning, that's also good enough for me. Damnit.
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I do happen to have a bunch of 6.5 bullets on hand.
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I do happen to have a bunch of 6.5 bullets on hand. Have you considered a 6.5PRC? Savage 111 is sitting my my safe, sans barrel. Have been thinking 6.5PRC for the most part, .264WM some and a bit about a few others. Thinking the 6.5PRC makes the most sense as i believe it will be vey successful in the long term. Bullets are already plentiful and I think brass will become much more so pretty quickly.
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FWIW, I use my M70 257Wby for ringing steel, Pronghorn, deer in open country, and occasionally for calling coyotes. Anyone who can put up with 270Win/30-06 type recoil LOVES shooting the 257. It's light enough to carry on long walks or day hunts, and just heavy enough to settle down fairly quickly as well as enough weight to make it fairly pleasant during summertime steel-ringing sessions.
The .264 would benefit from a shortened ejector/bolt stop, 3.6" mag box, and a lengthened ejection port.
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I do happen to have a bunch of 6.5 bullets on hand. Have you considered a 6.5PRC? Savage 111 is sitting my my safe, sans barrel. Have been thinking 6.5PRC for the most part, .264WM some and a bit about a few others. Thinking the 6.5PRC makes the most sense as i believe it will be vey successful in the long term. Bullets are already plentiful and I think brass will become much more so pretty quickly. Good idea if starting with a WSM short action. Less good idea on a standard long action.
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Neither. Donât buy the action or the barrel or the stock or the mounts or the scope or the dies or the brass or the bullets or the powder. GO ON A TRIP AND USE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE.
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Looking to have a rifle built in the next year or so. It's going to be a Model 70 action. I have my eye on a potential donor. At first I was thinking .257Wby Mag. But .338 has had my attention for some reason. I don't need either one of them for anything particular. But I could see a use for each one certainly. I'm thinking I'd want the .257 to be a bit lighter, easier to carry, walking around type rifle. Shooting across swamps or poking at deer out west. The.338 would be an all around type rifle. Could be stand hunting WT deer, could be hunting thick stuff for snowshoe hairs. Neither would be at game further than 400 yds and hopefully...a lot closer. Which kinda leans .338 but I like both. I tell ya, The people that can't make up their minds..................
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I'd go with the .257 Weatherby.
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