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That's why I carry one of each.

I didn't misunderstand you and wasn't attempting to take exception.

Printed words can't portray our inflection, UNLESS we use editor and make it obvious.
No problem battue at all.

Jerry

LOL, I can't believe you broke one of Petzal's 10 commandments. Somebody get this man a subscription to Outdoor Life, he needs to read up on this stuff.

My original quote that Jerry commented on was posted in jest to lighten up the conversation. Some folks on here just get too butt hurt when anything that they don’t agree with 100% is posted. Petzal’s dry wit beats most of the dross posted on here. Happy Trails

Yeah, ain't that something? Some people will go so far as to call you an A-hole if you do that.

Don't take offense. Some agree, some don't. Some think others are funny and some don't...Jerry took it serious, I thought it was dumb on Pretzals part, not yours...

In addition the serious LR people here pay the big dollars for those expensive scopes for reasons. One of which is the ability to consistently dial....They are not all that much into hold over....or set and forget....

The thing is, I agree with jerry, as far as flat-shooting being an advantage within your MPBR.

But I disagreed with his statement that flat-shooting magnums make hitting at "long distances" easier. Because we are using different definitions for "long distance."

I think where Jerry and I got of the rails was when he said he wasn't going to debate me, just tell me that I'm wrong. How does that even work?

Excluding my ,22;s which aren't legal here in Colorado, every centerfire rifle in my safes is an "elk rifles" with the right load.

The only difference is what I consider their effective range. While I use 2000fps and 1500fpe as a guideline for retained velocity and energy, that's all it is - a reference point for comparing various loads. Some of my rifle loads don't have 2000fps at the muzzle and my .44 Mag handgun loads are more like 1530fps and 1250fpe at the muzzle.

The real question for me is the maximum range at which the bullet used in a particular load will retain enough velocity and energy to perform as desired - meaning reliable but controlled expansion with good weight retention and penetration even if heavy bone is hit. This obviously depends on bullet construction as well as impact velocity. Ballistic charts won't provide exact details as to how a load will perform in a given situation but, when coupled with knowledge of the specific bullet construction, they can help people make more informed choices and decisions.

"Smokey", I promise you that I did not get off rail. It's simply that I have used MY method for +/- 40 yrs and I
KNOW how to use it. I ALSO said, I would NOT debate it with you and later with anyone.

I Don't have a problem with you, battue, scenarshooter, or MOST people. The ones that aggravate me are those who
simply declare my way is wrong and their's is right or better.

I don't come here looking to argue and debate. I will discuss as long as it is amiable.

It doesn't make any diff to me if Petzal was serious or joking. He expressed MY preference.


I hope everyone has a good day.


Jerry

Jerry, I'm not arguing with you about what you shoot or how you use it. I'm not sure how you got that idea. The only thing I argued with was your general statement that magnum cartridges make it easier to hit what you're aiming at, at "long ranges." Like I said, it depends on how you define long range.

If you go to a shindig like scenarshooter's annual long-range extravaganza, you won't see many if any of the guys there shooting .300 WMs. You'll see lots of 6.5's and 6 mm's, and lots of suppressors. The thing they all have in common is low recoil. Because without a doubt, low recoil helps you hit what you're shooting at, at long ranges.

The following quote in ON P 21 per Your ?? and My response to you.






Jerry

OK......where did I argue with you about your MPBR? Or tell you you shouldn't use a .300WM?

Coyote hunter you are not getting what is trying to be communicated to you IMO.

Your ballistic rehtoric is only half of the equation. The other half is the ability to pull of the shot accurately.

You are assuming every firearm own you is equal in accuracy. As you increase distance inherent accuracy is amplified.

You are also assuming every firearm you own is just as " handy " for lack of a better term.

A two inch group at 100 becomes 14 inches at 700 I believe. So the amount of " flatness" is a mute point IMO.

A personal deal I have is when I hunt on my Grey Mollie Mule. I use a carbine. Because she don't like a rifle barrel in her shoulder and balks. Before I figured this out she bucked my ass off! A take down might even bee safer, or put the firearm on the pack mule.

Or pack the beach, or let my buddy ride her.

Which is why I roll with a brake on my 300 RUM.

Personally I find I shoot a pistol grip more accurately than a straight or English shot gun style grip.

It freaking blows cuz I like eyeballing the straight grips better.

Shooting straight english style stocks good requires a certain style. Having a good looking las along to eyeball is part of the proper style....

(Smoke prefers his thicker-"much thicker"-so ignore any criticism he may inject.)

Nice picture.

An English driven shoot accompanied by a fair haired Las shooting companion is a bucket list item....

Don't forget the tall rubber boots. She'll need 'em.

The lady is an experienced shooter and has her own. LeChameau....Me, I'm just a LaCrosse Burley guy, but she puts up with me....