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jaguartx:
I think it's great you can quote a book, but why should I believe your particular book and not someone else's?
What empirical evidence do you have that your book is for real and every other book is false -- I need this criteria before I can accept you are correct.
This is serious business because according to you I'm going to burn for eternity. Surely there is a substantial amount of criteria to determine fairy tale from reality, right?
The most documented legal historical evidence prior to the printing press is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Do some research. For the sake of argument, let's say we accept your statement face value even though you failed to prove it. The bible has plenty of incorrect historical "facts" in it. Does popularity determine truth? For being the most documented thing before the printing press, you'd think the authors wouldn't be anonymous right? You are amazing. You are the antagonist. I gave you a heads-up for you to check. There are whole books on the subject by protagonists and antagonists.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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God, if He exists, sure has an awful lot of wrath. Especially for a God of Love and Tender Mercy. To quote some unknown (to me) person - "How does one know smooth if one does not know rough"? It goes much, much further than that. Rough is not the same as brutal.
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Tell us, when things are the darkest, where do you turn? To quote an old adage "suck it up and deal with it".
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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.. For being the most documented thing before the printing press, you'd think the authors wouldn't be anonymous right?
Folks for the large part were still widely illiterate for some centuries after the printing press of the 15th century. Ah.... so many of the stories must have been passed down orally. Ever play that game where you get in a circle and whisper the same sentence person to person and see what comes out the other side? The multiply it by 1500 years! ;-) No wonder no one knows who the original authors are..... but I'm speaking to the choir! The authors are known. All you have to do is a little reading to discover who they are.
"Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation."
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Before a god can say anything he must exist, for which I see no good evidence. I see no good evidence that He doesn’t exist. And what happens if you apply your same standard to the gods of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism, and a thousand other religions? I don’t. Atheism requires a God for you not to believe in. You rail against theists while using the same fervor that religious zealots use when making their claims against a secular society and for the existence of God. You are extremely religious about your disbelief. Atheism only requires people who believe in the gods, claiming they exist. Claims made and claims examined.
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'It's better to light a candle than just complain about the darkness' - annonymous Tell us, when things are the darkest, where do you turn? Many a christian know to reach for a Glock or or call EMS to save a life.. and save the prayers for later.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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.. For being the most documented thing before the printing press, you'd think the authors wouldn't be anonymous right?
Folks for the large part were still widely illiterate for some centuries after the printing press of the 15th century. Ah.... so many of the stories must have been passed down orally. Ever play that game where you get in a circle and whisper the same sentence person to person and see what comes out the other side? The multiply it by 1500 years! ;-) No wonder no one knows who the original authors are..... but I'm speaking to the choir! The authors are known. All you have to do is a little reading to discover who they are. The issue of authorship is debatable.
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Before a god can say anything he must exist, for which I see no good evidence. I see no good evidence that He doesn’t exist. And what happens if you apply your same standard to the gods of Hinduism, Islam, and Buddhism, and a thousand other religions? I don’t. Atheism requires a God for you not to believe in. You rail against theists while using the same fervor that religious zealots use when making their claims against a secular society and for the existence of God. You are extremely religious about your disbelief. Ok, but what happens when you do? Try it. So a lack of belief in the easter bunny requires an easter bunny to exist? Do you see the logic?
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.. For being the most documented thing before the printing press, you'd think the authors wouldn't be anonymous right?
Folks for the large part were still widely illiterate for some centuries after the printing press of the 15th century. Ah.... so many of the stories must have been passed down orally. Ever play that game where you get in a circle and whisper the same sentence person to person and see what comes out the other side? The multiply it by 1500 years! ;-) No wonder no one knows who the original authors are..... but I'm speaking to the choir! The authors are known. All you have to do is a little reading to discover who they are. The issue of authorship is debatable. And that's exactly my point. It is debatable. There should be no question.
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So a lack of belief in the easter bunny requires an easter bunny to exist? Do you see the logic? First you brought up Santa, then you bring up the Easter Bunny. And ‘you’re’ bringing up ‘logic’ now...? Have ‘either’ of these had the historicity of the God of Christianity...or the influence upon Western Civilization that the God of Christianity has had...? For ultra-rationalists, you atheists sound downright emotional. You atheists defend your claims with an intense religious zeal. Embrace your religiosity.
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May Our Lord soften some hard hearts.
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.. For being the most documented thing before the printing press, you'd think the authors wouldn't be anonymous right?
Folks for the large part were still widely illiterate for some centuries after the printing press of the 15th century. Ah.... so many of the stories must have been passed down orally. Ever play that game where you get in a circle and whisper the same sentence person to person and see what comes out the other side? The multiply it by 1500 years! ;-) No wonder no one knows who the original authors are..... but I'm speaking to the choir! The authors are known. All you have to do is a little reading to discover who they are. The issue of authorship is debatable. And that's exactly my point. It is debatable. There should be no question. The question was why you are Christian, not "can you debate Christianity". Sheesh. And you think you are perceptive enough to intellectually answer a question not asked?
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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I am not a Christian. I stopped believing in stuff like the Easter bunny, god and unicorns when I was about 7 years old. Spoiler alert: this life doesn’t end in heaven or hell. It just ends.
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May Our Lord soften some hard hearts. Amen, and take some scales off of some eyes, Wabi. But, I fear HE will wait to educate some before the Great White Throne of Judgement.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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May Our Lord soften some hard hearts. Sorting fact from fiction is more a matter of the head than the heart. The universe is a far, far greater mystery than the ancients could have imagined....and that remains true for us. It's just that now we are beginning to understand the true scope and scale of the universe...
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You and alla the other members a the atheist circle jerk keep runnin that mantra the burden a proof,.. Ringman says he has evidence and hes probably the most devout old school christian here. and what makes you assume anyone and everyone is athiest for questioning the christian narrative of "the one and only true God" claim?
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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Tell us, when things are the darkest, where do you turn? Do you carry a gun in church, or are you armed only with prayers?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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So a lack of belief in the easter bunny requires an easter bunny to exist? Do you see the logic? First you brought up Santa, then you bring up the Easter Bunny. And ‘you’re’ bringing up ‘logic’ now...? Have ‘either’ of these had the historicity of the God of Christianity...or the influence upon Western Civilization that the God of Christianity has had...? For ultra-rationalists, you atheists sound downright emotional. You atheists defend your claims with an intense religious zeal. Embrace your religiosity. I'll take that as a "no". It's obvious you realize it's a problem, hence only distracting away from the statement I've been there... it's cognitive dissonance and it's difficult. You made the claim -- that "Atheism requires a God for you not to believe in." I just followed your logic to show you how illogical that statement is. If you don't like the easter bunny then about how about ghosts. "Lack of belief in ghosts requires ghosts for you not to believe in." Obviously it absolutely doesn't. Now you fall back on the argument that popularity gives credence to truth. Well, the Harry Potter series was immensely popular, but it's still fiction. What do you believe this argument proves? If you don't like that argument -- then obviously other religions have had a similar amount of influence. Are those religions true? You're still pretending you have a criteria to truth, but you cannot clearly state it because you yourself know it not to be true.
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and what makes you assume anyone and everyone is athiest for questioning
the christian narrative of "the one and only true God" claim? Athiest is bein generous. More accurate to say you're just communists tryin ta purge organized religion, as always.
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Fubi = Paranoia. = institutionalized superstition and mythology.
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