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Backwards? You cant understand the thread question and yet you want to tell us you have all the answers. Unreal.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Backwards? You cant understand the thread question and yet you want to tell us you have all the answers. Unreal. Doc, Take 400mg of chlorpromazine, 2 shot of Bourbon, and call me in the morning.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Do a little reading about Simon Greenleaf....
We don't even have eyewitness accounts in the gospels, nor was Paul aware of some of the gospel stories about Jesus, apparently being later additions. Ross Clifford, a former barrister, theologian and affirms the case for the resurrection of Jesus. he has a book "Leading Lawyers' Case for the Resurrection" where he devoted a brief chapter on Greenleaf. He raises a technical question about the ancient documents rule and suggested that hypothetically a court could admit the gospels as ancient documents, but that does not mean that their specific contents are automatically acknowledged as facts (p. 141). In Cliffords other book:"Clifford John Warwick Montgomery's Legal Apologetic" ....Clifford states: "The 'Ancient Documents' rule at common law has traditionally related more to the authentication of the document than with the admissibility of its contents. It does not automatically lead to admission of the substance of the document irrespective of its credibility. The question as to whether the authentication of the gospels under the 'Ancient Documents' rule leads to receiving their substance into evidence is contentious. It could be strongly pleaded there is justification for doing so. Yet, it should be noted such pleading would be met by the adverse party's strong rejoinder" (pp. 60-61 & 63). Greenleaf argues that in several places there are discrepancies between accounts of Matthew and Mark, as sufficient evidence to destroy the probability that the latter copied from the former. ...But when it comes to the striking coincidences between them,( in style, words, and things in other places) he does not like to attribute such as evidence for the probabilty of one copying the other.
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The topic in question (Why are you a Christian?) is in an open forum – nice concise logical question. Non-believers are also entitled to view the postings and are interested in the responses.
Similar to most threads involving religion, somewhere along the line a believer will make comment that their faith is based on proven facts. Non-believers politely ask them to substantiate this statement and basis of their information, out of interest. If a response is provided, the non-believers will point out that these are indeed not facts, with logical reasoning of contradictory information in cases, the more vocal believers get angry, make idle threats, and the scheissefest begins.
Why do those of “faith” argue it to be “fact” when clearly it isn’t – it’s called faith for a reason. Simple guide to the definitions: “Faith” has no proof. Facts can be proved.
I think there’s a lot of brainwashing going on – monkeys believing in ghosts teaching other monkeys to believe in ghosts.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Is the issue resolved yet? anybody changed positions?
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You and a few others are the one's who seek to shut down discourse with the use of ad Homs and insults. That is your stock in trade, all the while maintaining the pretense of being innocent victims. Isn't that what happened when you posted that I was delusional and you were gonna report me for pointin out you are a troll? To accuse me of hacking accounts is both false and delusional. Or maybe you are just a plain and simple Idiot. The result is the same whatever the case, you make false accusations. So either produce the evidence to back your accusations or shut your yap.
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The topic in question (Why are you a Christian?) is in an open forum – nice concise logical question. Non-believers are also entitled to view the postings and DERAIL THEM.
Why do those of “faith” argue it to be “fact” when clearly it isn’t – it’s called faith for a reason. Simple guide to the definitions: “Faith” has no proof. Facts can be proved. WHO SAID IT WAS PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACT. ARE YOU LYING?
I think there’s a lot of brainwashing going on – monkeys believing in ghosts teaching other monkeys to believe in ghosts.
FIXT. Well, then, start your own thread and see if us monkeys try to convince you of ghosts, liar. Be easy to prove, just start right up, liar. I guess you're afraid of us monkeys brain washing you, right? Afraid you're too weak minded to resist and afraid to take the chance? Sure you are. I would be too if I were as half brained as you.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Is the issue resolved yet? anybody changed positions? Turned the other cheek? Kent
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Do a little reading about Simon Greenleaf....
We don't even have eyewitness accounts in the gospels, nor was Paul aware of some of the gospel stories about Jesus, apparently being later additions. Ross Clifford, a former barrister, theologian and affirms the case for the resurrection of Jesus. he has a book "Leading Lawyers' Case for the Resurrection" where he devoted a brief chapter on Greenleaf. He raises a technical question about the ancient documents rule and suggested that hypothetically a court could admit the gospels as ancient documents, but that does not mean that their specific contents are automatically acknowledged as facts (p. 141). In Cliffords other book:"Clifford John Warwick Montgomery's Legal Apologetic" ....Clifford states: "The 'Ancient Documents' rule at common law has traditionally related more to the authentication of the document than with the admissibility of its contents. It does not automatically lead to admission of the substance of the document irrespective of its credibility. The question as to whether the authentication of the gospels under the 'Ancient Documents' rule leads to receiving their substance into evidence is contentious. It could be strongly pleaded there is justification for doing so. Yet, it should be noted such pleading would be met by the adverse party's strong rejoinder" (pp. 60-61 & 63). Greenleaf argues that in several places there are discrepancies between accounts of Matthew and Mark, sufficient to destroy the probability that the latter copied from the former..But when it comes to the striking coincidences between them,( in style, words, and things in other places) he does not like to attribute such to one copying the other. Yes, indeed, but I doubt if our theist friends read the actual wording. Just a word here and there and jump to a conclusion. The mere presence of the term 'legal document' is enough to get them excited.
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You and a few others are the one's who seek to shut down discourse with the use of ad Homs and insults. That is your stock in trade, all the while maintaining the pretense of being innocent victims. Isn't that what happened when you posted that I was delusional and you were gonna report me for pointin out you are a troll? To accuse me of hacking accounts is both false and delusional. Or maybe you are just a plain and simple Idiot. The result is the same whatever the case, you make false accusations. So either produce the evidence to back your accusations or shut your yap. All anybody hasta do is view your post history. It's there for everbody ta see. You're a troll.
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I'm not going to read this Campfire thread. It's like the Bible, we know how it ends.
All the God haters are calling the christians hypocrits and yelling as loud as they can to try to shut them up.
Isn't it ironic how bad they want to post on a Why are you a christian thread? You are only seeing things from your side, turning a blind eye to the antics of some of the Christians who respond to normal rational questioning in a cowardly abusive manner. Take a good look at the behavior of Jag or Furb and tell me that this is a good example of Christianity
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Hahaha. All of you scientific geniuses are too gutless to start your own thread. Now tell us why we should believe a bunch of internet cowards.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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I'm not going to read this Campfire thread. It's like the Bible, we know how it ends.
All the God haters are calling the christians hypocrits and yelling as loud as they can to try to shut them up.
Isn't it ironic how bad they want to post on a Why are you a christian thread? You are only seeing things from your side, turning a blind eye to the antics of some of the Christians who respond to normal rational questioning in a cowardly abusive manner. Take a good look at the behavior of Jag or Furb and tell me that this is a good example of Christianity I'm not reading the thread. I already know how it ends. It's always been this way on the campfire.
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You and a few others are the one's who seek to shut down discourse with the use of ad Homs and insults. That is your stock in trade, all the while maintaining the pretense of being innocent victims. Isn't that what happened when you posted that I was delusional and you were gonna report me for pointin out you are a troll? To accuse me of hacking accounts is both false and delusional. Or maybe you are just a plain and simple Idiot. The result is the same whatever the case, you make false accusations. So either produce the evidence to back your accusations or shut your yap. All anybody hasta do is view your post history. It's there for everbody ta see. You're a troll. That's not evidence that I hacked an account to use for trolling. Both accusations are false. The simple fact is that people like you are intolerant when it comes to questioning beliefs. Either present evidence for your accusations or shut your yap and your childish whining.
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Hahaha. All of you scientific geniuses are too gutless to start your own thread. Now tell us why we should believe a bunch of internet cowards. You jumped in immediately one was started. Are you a complete idiot?
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Jaq, you are embarrassing yourself. All you've got is name-calling. No arguments, no logic, no facts. Oh, and did I mention that as a Christian you're a fake and a fraud?
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The topic in question (Why are you a Christian?) is in an open forum – nice concise logical question. Non-believers are also entitled to view the postings and are interested in the responses.
Similar to most threads involving religion, somewhere along the line a believer will make comment that their faith is based on proven facts. Non-believers politely ask them to substantiate this statement and basis of their information, out of interest. If a response is provided, the non-believers will point out that these are indeed not facts, with logical reasoning of contradictory information in cases, the more vocal believers get angry, make idle threats, and the scheissefest begins.
Why do those of “faith” argue it to be “fact” when clearly it isn’t – it’s called faith for a reason. Simple guide to the definitions: “Faith” has no proof. Facts can be proved.
I think there’s a lot of brainwashing going on – monkeys believing in ghosts teaching other monkeys to believe in ghosts.
But atheism is grounded in faith every bit as much as theism.
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Jaq,.. Oh, and did I mention that as a Christian you're a fake and a fraud? He knows, but he feels compelled to reinforce the fact to no end.
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But atheism is grounded in faith every bit as much as theism.
Atheism is based on absence of evidence.
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Got tarquim, beanie baby, basturmation, alla the trolls and sockpuppets jumpin in tonight.
Water got a little deep for their act.
What a amazin coincidence. Do weaker animals hafta run in packs, or did the commie network throw out the troll signal?
Only one missin now, is pedophiler.
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