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Irons dont' shoot that much worse than optics if you shoot em enough. You're exactly right Rost, I shoot Sharps rifles all the time out to 500 yards on steel gongs with barrel sights, and, iirc, I shot a bit over two inch 10 shot group with my REPR 308 in the black rifle challenge with the iron flip ups, plenty good enough for completing and hunt or defending oneself should a scope malfunction occur.
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Optics, like red dot sights, aren’t about “better acquisition of a target.” They’re about “faster acquisition of the target” in a manner that allows engagement at speed.
They have different purposes.
If iron sights were as fast or faster than red dots, they’d be all the rage in the gun games, like three gun.
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Not bad, are you going to shoot 2 10 shot groups side by side on the same sheet of paper, as the rules dictate? I wasn't aware of the entire rules. I shot 10 of the last 14 of those rounds I had loaded. I'll load some more this weekend and try to get to the range again. It's gonna be a hot sumbitch this weekend and the damn range doesn't open until 0900. It doesn't take long for the mirage to kick in. Good luck. Remember to throw a caliper down next to the group for reference too. Looks like your rifle shoots well enough. However, like many here can attest to, you shoot one awesome group and the next one falls apart. It happens. Go back and look at some of our target pics. Youll see what im talking about Yeah I forgot the calipers as well. That rifle is pretty consistent as far as accuracy goes. I've shot smaller groups with it, usually 5 shot groups. I'll get something posted pretty soon! Smaller groups usually 5 shots... that right there says it ALL..... There's a reason this challenge isn't a 3 or 5 shot ordeal.....: Just sayin. These are my least accurate ar's...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Optics, like red dot sights, aren’t about “better acquisition of a target.” They’re about “faster acquisition of the target” in a manner that allows engagement at speed.
They have different purposes.
If iron sights were as fast or faster than red dots, they’d be all the rage in the gun games, like three gun. Different games we play. That said I've won a few IDPA 3 gun type stages with AR and irons... its all in how you practice and how good the competition is.. LoL Never discount irons, especially once you realize WHAT is important to irons and what isn't. The fact that most just don't or won't use irons, and I get that, doesn't mean they aren't plenty good for 9 out of 10 issues. Worst thing with irons to me, is lighting.. you have to have good light... IE early and late suck. Last good buck I shot I could not have with the irons on the Glock but the RMR allowed the shot early in the morning on the 11 pointer.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I agree with all of that.
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Please have your post in this order:
1) Picture of rifle and setup. 2) Picture of 100 yard range. 3) Picture of target (optics) or targets (irons) with 20 rounds through them. (place calipers or ruler laying over one group for reference) 4) Description of rifle and ammo used. 5) For Scoped Bolt and Semi-Auto rifles, list your group sizes and the average. For Iron sights, please list the group size and score.
Please sign each target with your 24HC name and date.
Thanks and good shooting.
I'm always late to the party. Factory Remington 700 SPS Tactical AAC, 6.5 Creedmoor Factory trigger, 4 lb. pull weight McMillan Remington Hunter, carbon fiber Bushnell 3.5-21x50 HDMR Burris Tactical scope bases Burris XTR Signature rings, with ~30 MOA added Factory Hornady Match 147gr ELD-M
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NICE! good shooting 4thpoint, i'll take this challenge again when my new 6.5 Swede build is done, it'll wear a 3-12 LRTS.
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Please have your post in this order:
1) Picture of rifle and setup. 2) Picture of 100 yard range. 3) Picture of target (optics) or targets (irons) with 20 rounds through them. (place calipers or ruler laying over one group for reference) 4) Description of rifle and ammo used. 5) For Scoped Bolt and Semi-Auto rifles, list your group sizes and the average. For Iron sights, please list the group size and score.
Please sign each target with your 24HC name and date.
Thanks and good shooting.
I'm always late to the party. Factory Remington 700 SPS Tactical AAC, 6.5 Creedmoor Factory trigger, 4 lb. pull weight McMillan Remington Hunter, carbon fiber Bushnell 3.5-21x50 HDMR Burris Tactical scope bases Burris XTR Signature rings, with ~30 MOA added Factory Hornady Match 147gr ELD-M Very nice shooting. I like how zeroed you are. That's the way you do it... I was just thinking to myself today that guys need to get out and shoot. I did today. Actually got paid to shoot today... Yeah, I have a cool boss... I was also thinking about this thread. Thinking that my CTR shoots pretty damn good at the 100 yard line, but also shoots damn fine at the 400 yard line. I went 4 out of 5 on my 2" target before I blew the damn thing off the stand: Yeah, I'll get the bugs worked out of this target before it's all said and done. This time it was the pipe seam that split. Now I know I should have used seamless pipe for these targets. I also ended up pulling the 6" target off the stand because I could see the seam opening up. Welded the damn thing, so it should be good now. I also straightened out the other 2 (2" and 4" targets) and welded the pipe seam back together on both targets. My boss is still not hitting much of anything with his 300wm, except for the 10 and 12" targets. Funny thing is he shot a nice buck in Montana last year at a lasered 550 yards. It goes to show you that you don't need to be able to consistently hit the 2" target at 400 yards, to cleanly take game at over 500 yards. .. 15 minutes and it's like new again:
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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This is what my shooting tree looks like at 50 yards. 2" target is on the upper right: And 400 yards:
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Went out today shooting it was a balmy 10 degrees, monkeying around with a 300 wsm in model 70. Shoots 168tsx good initial loading. 180 tsx show a bunch of potential with a 5 shot group I shot. Around inch at 100yds, I need to work on getting 180 etips to shoot. I need to track down some hybrid 100V.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Went out today shooting it was a balmy 10 degrees, monkeying around with a 300 wsm in model 70. Shoots 168tsx good initial loading. 180 tsx show a bunch of potential with a 5 shot group I shot. Around inch at 100yds, I need to work on getting 180 etips to shoot. I need to track down some hybrid 100V. Hey John, have you tried the 175 LRX in your 300WSM? I bought some for my new Tikka, but they are not grouping like I wish they would!!! About like you said, 5 shots into an inch. I keep thinking this Tikka should shoot better... By the way, I loaded up some 165gr TSX in my buddies 300WSM extreme weather and that damn thing loves them. 5 shots into a 1/2 inch!!!!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Went out today shooting it was a balmy 10 degrees, monkeying around with a 300 wsm in model 70. Shoots 168tsx good initial loading. 180 tsx show a bunch of potential with a 5 shot group I shot. Around inch at 100yds, I need to work on getting 180 etips to shoot. I need to track down some hybrid 100V. Hey John, have you tried the 175 LRX in your 300WSM? I bought some for my new Tikka, but they are not grouping like I wish they would!!! About like you said, 5 shots into an inch. I keep thinking this Tikka should shoot better... By the way, I loaded up some 165gr TSX in my buddies 300WSM extreme weather and that damn thing loves them. 5 shots into a 1/2 inch!!!!! Lawrence, When I had a tikka in a 300 wsm, it loved RL19, 168 tsx or ttsx didn't matter. I never messed with the 175. Yeah this 300 wsm I have is g prefix stainless classic. Back to the tikka I was playing with 180's and h4350 when I had that Ttikka and the great h4350 shortage hit us. So I ended using H4831 for 180's and 190's. The RL19 load I lucked out on that one and you actually could find rl19 back then along with imr 4350 lol... I noticed in Barnes manual said imr 4350 was the most accurate powder to use with 180's. So I might try some of that with that etip and tsx.
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Went out today shooting it was a balmy 10 degrees, monkeying around with a 300 wsm in model 70. Shoots 168tsx good initial loading. 180 tsx show a bunch of potential with a 5 shot group I shot. Around inch at 100yds, I need to work on getting 180 etips to shoot. I need to track down some hybrid 100V. Hey John, have you tried the 175 LRX in your 300WSM? I bought some for my new Tikka, but they are not grouping like I wish they would!!! About like you said, 5 shots into an inch. I keep thinking this Tikka should shoot better... By the way, I loaded up some 165gr TSX in my buddies 300WSM extreme weather and that damn thing loves them. 5 shots into a 1/2 inch!!!!! Lawrence, When I had a tikka in a 300 wsm, it loved RL19, 168 tsx or ttsx didn't matter. I never messed with the 175. Yeah this 300 wsm I have is g prefix stainless classic. Back to the tikka I was playing with 180's and h4350 when I had that Ttikka and the great h4350 shortage hit us. So I ended using H4831 for 180's and 190's. The RL19 load I lucked out on that one and you actually could find rl19 back then along with imr 4350 lol... I noticed in Barnes manual said imr 4350 was the most accurate powder to use with 180's. So I might try some of that with that etip and tsx. Good luck with it buddy.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I really need to go shoot this stainless classic in this 300 Weatherby as well..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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I really need to go shoot this stainless classic in this 300 Weatherby as well.. You need to. I love my 300wby..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I really need to go shoot this stainless classic in this 300 Weatherby as well.. You need to. I love my 300wby.. If you hate it let me know I know someone that would covet it...
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I really need to go shoot this stainless classic in this 300 Weatherby as well.. You need to. I love my 300wby.. If you hate it let me know I know someone that would covet it... A stainless classic 300 weatherby would be a damn nice find...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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NICE! good shooting 4thpoint, i'll take this challenge again when my new 6.5 Swede build is done, it'll wear a 3-12 LRTS. Gunner, I'm interested in the details of your Swede build (action, stock, barrel, etc.). Bullet and velocity you are expecting, as well. I'll probably shoot the challenge again, once I replace/fix the trigger. Light triggers have been a crutch of mine, and I've been working to fix that, but the 4 lb. pull was a bit more than I am used to. I think the rifle is mechanically capable of doing better. I'm the weakest link in the system. Jason
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NICE! good shooting 4thpoint, i'll take this challenge again when my new 6.5 Swede build is done, it'll wear a 3-12 LRTS. Gunner, I'm interested in the details of your Swede build (action, stock, barrel, etc.). Bullet and velocity you are expecting, as well. I'll probably shoot the challenge again, once I replace/fix the trigger. Light triggers have been a crutch of mine, and I've been working to fix that, but the 4 lb. pull was a bit more than I am used to. I think the rifle is mechanically capable of doing better. I'm the weakest link in the system. Jason I know you will turn in some better scores, as soon as you fine tune rifle and load. You are a good shooter.. Rifle definitely has potential...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I might just take my buddies 270 out today and shoot this challenge with it. Hell, I might even use some partitions. We'll see.....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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