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Give it 18-24 months to work it's way up the courts system and there are going to be some really interesting cases arriving at the SC level about where laws that are being enforced and the first amendment come into conflict.
For the topic at hand, I don't blame the pastor, I blame his flock for being so (insert adjective of choice) to show up. When you hammer and hammer at people that it is their obligation to show up, then tell them to use their own judgement about whether or not to do so, you have not really given them much chance at making an intelligent decision on the matter.
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Give it 18-24 months to work it's way up the courts system and there are going to be some really interesting cases arriving at the SC level about where laws that are being enforced and the first amendment come into conflict.
For the topic at hand, I don't blame the pastor, I blame his flock for being so (insert adjective of choice) to show up. When you hammer and hammer at people that it is their obligation to show up, then tell them to use their own judgement about whether or not to do so, you have not really given them much chance at making an intelligent decision on the matter. I gave up on organized religion as an altruistic entity 30 years ago so I can't argue with your assessment!
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The question is - does your right to worship take priority over others' right to life? And why would you want it to? I believe that is non-sequitor. I think it's perfectly on point. It is.
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Oliver Wendell Holmes -1919 re: Schenk v. United States
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent."
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again, I'm showing my ignorance here - not a lawyer, don't claim to have any guidance
but I'm not sure just because the law doesn't specifically address religion and religion only, that Religion still does not get an exemption.
maybe the CDC does have the ability to override it
but I don't think the founding fathers determined that our constitutional rights are to only be upheld during "normal" times. in fact, I'd argue those rights are more important during times of crisis. (see Patriot Act)
now it seems like common sense to stay away from a crowd - and I'm not debating the common sense part of it, just the legality.
at any rate, its seems like it is well covered here with the rebuttal.
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It wouldn't have anything to do with the collection plate, would it?
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It wouldn't have anything to do with the collection plate, would it? thats what I first told my wife - The mega church has bills to pay.
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again, I'm showing my ignorance here - not a lawyer, don't claim to have any guidance
but I'm not sure just because the law doesn't specifically address religion and religion only, that Religion still does not get an exemption.
maybe the CDC does have the ability to override it
but I don't think the founding fathers determined that our constitutional rights are to only be upheld during "normal" times. in fact, I'd argue those rights are more important during times of crisis. (see Patriot Act)
now it seems like common sense to stay away from a crowd - and I'm not debating the common sense part of it, just the legality.
at any rate, its seems like it is well covered here with the rebuttal. It doesn't. I posted the case law yesterday in another thread.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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People are going to gather.
If you are afraid of catching C19 and dying or suffering, it is incumbent on YOU to avoid those people!
How would I know whether you caught this at church, then sneezed on me in the grocery check out? It is not anyone's right to infect me, or my wife, or my family, or my friends, and religion has no special rights, other than No State Imposed Religion. I pretty much hate government in general, but it does have some necessary functions. One is to protect the people in dire times.
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Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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God, is indifferent and often-times cruel. And worshipers of ANY faith, that decide to gather together given the present situation are MORONS... Moronic , selfish and dangerous. You have to go see some charlatan to worship God? Any preacher that insists you come to his church during a possible pandemic is a charlatan. No social distance and lots of elderly in pics. And we will have to pay for their healthcare if they get sick. A 3 year old is protected by the second amendment so you can give him, her a Glock 19 a couple boxes of shells for their 4th birthday? Will the NRA bring it to the SC?
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The Bible tells us to obey our authorities unless they conflict the clear word of god ( the bible ) .
God expects us to use our brain , that is why he gave us one.
To ignore health risks and expect god to protect us is way out in left field. Absolute common sense here. This is the whole issue simplified.
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Religion: A founder of The Church of Spray and Pray
Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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