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Originally Posted by my sources
In a special report and survey on small business from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, nearly one in four small businesses (24%) say they are at risk of permanently closing if the shutdown continues for two more months. More than one in 10 (11%) small businesses note that they will not be able to last one more month. And finally, 43% say they have less than six months before they will have to permanently close. Twenty-four percent of small businesses are already temporarily shut down due to COVID-19, while another 40% report it is likely that they will do so in the next two weeks. This means that a total of 54% of small businesses will be temporarily closed and not moving freight within two weeks.


I work in the transportation industry - this is no joke and real statistics UNLIKE the number infected or killed in this pandemic.

Right now the amount of freight in the system is LESS then 2018 which was a good year for freight. Think about how much our population and economy has grown in 2 years. We're back below that inside of 3 weeks. At this time in 2018, 24-26% of all offers to a carrier were flat rejected on a contract basis because the spot market paid so much better. Looking at 8% right now - mostly because Brokers have added a 15% "CV19 uncertainty surcharge" to their quotes and will ride that to the end. Transportation companies laying off double digit percentages of their people, rest taking hair cuts - because the freight isn't there. No freight - no economy. No Jobs.

40% of all freight in this country is CV19 resilient - consumer products, medical supplies and the like. 60% is what would be considered "non-essential" and that my friends is a HUGE chunk of our consumer economy and it really does affect those people with jobs that depend on it. Which is more than just a few.

I bring up transportation because we see a recovery before everyone else - same with a recession. Right now - freight levels and rates are scary.

On average - it costs almost 1.40 a mile to run a truck. (varies from niche to niche/region and size) There's so many trucks right now fighting over little freight - .80 cents a mile rates are being offered and taken by carriers to keep revenue moving and get guys some sort of paycheck. Same lanes 2 weeks ago were over 2.60 a mile and you were lucky to find a truck - so much freight moving.



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I also have been saying it overblown. It is people, open your damn eyes. Why is the stock market up 10% this week? Use your imagination. We weren’t every going to hit these huge death totals. Never.

In MN we have 39 deaths and about 1000 cases, a number of those have fully recovered. Average age dead is 86. You tell me, was it worth shutting everything down for 2 months and killing tons of good jobs? I think not!

Trump needs to pivot quick because he’s going to do battle with Democratic governors who have a whole other agenda!!

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Interesting read, thanks


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Jeeesus Hanco... that is so wrong... yet so right


Originally Posted by Judman
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Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by teal
60k (maybe) dead vs 10 million plus out of work and the bankruptcy of millions of businesses. Generational debt issues added to the issues we already have.



I think she’s nuts, and over the top. You need a balanced approach considering the country’s economy too. These scientists and politicians often have tunnel vision and they don’t care if they kill the golden goose with their recommendations.

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5th attempt at a duly elected President, nothing more, nothing less.

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We have not gotten through this yet. If we stop all of the precautions too soon this is where we will be.
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https://bunkerbasics.com/coronavirus-second-wave/

Why the Second Wave of the Coronavirus Could be Worse Than the First
March 13, 2020 by Bunker Bob

The Coronavirus Won’t Go Away for Good
The coronavirus is dragging the world into a recession. Travel bans, celebrity infections, and declining stock prices are sending people into a state of panic. Efforts to contain the spread are stepping up, as more rapid tests are being developed and administered. The pharmaceutical industry is doing everything it can to develop a vaccine. That said, the process of testing and ensuring the safety of a vaccine takes months. So, the coronavirus isn’t going away any time soon.

Evidence suggests the coronavirus is seasonal. The warmer months may offer us reprieve from the chaos. South American countries like Argentina and Chile have a very low case count, since they’re at the tail end of summer. As the first wave tapers out through April and June, we should not grow complacent. The coronavirus is too easily transmitted to go away for good. If we refer to history for guidance, we’ll find that a virus’s second wave can be worse than the first. Let’s turn to the Spanish Flu to see what we might expect from the coronavirus.

The Second Wave of the Spanish Flu Was Deadlier Than the First
The Spanish Flu of 1918 was caused by the H1N1 virus. More lives were lost to the pandemic than there were second waveto World War I. As many as fifty million people, including 675,000 Americans, died over the course of two years. The second wave, which occurred in the fall of 1918, was especially deadly. The virus originally surfaced in an army base in Kansas. While highly contagious, mortality rates were comparable to those of the seasonal flu. That all changed as troops deployed to Europe spread a mutated virus to England, France, Spain, and Italy.

The mutated H1N1 virus was far deadlier. It was also indiscriminate. Young, middle aged, and the elderly were all at risk of contracting the Spanish Flu. With medical personnel on the battlefield, there were fewer healthcare workers to care for the sick. These days, healthcare is far superior to what it was during the early 20th century. However, we’re clearly incapable of preventing a pandemic. Can we avoid the grim reality that befell those contending with the Spanish Flu?

The Virus Will Kick Us While We’re Down
We’re seeing what an invisible pathogen can do to the economy. Over a trillion dollars has been wiped from the stock market. Central banks are doing what they can to stem the bleeding. I’m confident that we’ll get through this. What scares me, though, is that when life appears to be returning to normal, the second wave will hit. I don’t expect we’ll experience the same level of panic as we are during this first wave. However, the failure to sustain a recovery can send the world into an even deeper recession. How far down is the bottom? I don’t know, but we’re going to endure a lot of pain as we find out.

A Vaccine Is Our Only Hope of Killing It
second waveHow can we finally put the coronavirus in the rear-view mirror? Pharmacological intervention. A vaccine is the only way we can get rid of COVID-19 for good. Again, the coronavirus is too easily transmissible to disappear after this year’s flu season. We need the pharmaceutical industry to eliminate COVID-19 the same way it eliminated smallpox, polio, and the measles. Yes, I understand that those casting doubt on the efficacy of vaccines are leading to a resurgence in otherwise extinct diseases, but I won’t touch upon this here. Funding and research partnerships are needed to accelerate the pace at which this vaccine is developed. Then, and only then, can we feel confident moving passed COVID-19.

Be Prepared to Ride the Second Wave
How do you prepare for the second wave? You should do many of the same things that you’re doing now. Practice good hygiene, engage in social distancing measures, and stock up on essentials. Additionally, you should be preparing financially. I’ve previously discussed the importance of frugality. The coronavirus is a prime example of why it’s so important to be frugal. Identify side hustles that can help diversify your income streams. If you can, continue contributing to your emergency fund. I imagine many of us are staying at home and cutting down on spending. Bank that money for the second wave. Job losses will happen, so it’s important we do what we can from becoming too exposed to the pressures yet to come.

I’d hate to see my readers come up for air, only to be knocked back down by the second wave. Prepare yourself now. Otherwise, you may be washed away with others who thought the worst was over. If history serves as a guide, the troubles are only just beginning.

Do you have advice on how to prepare for the second wave? Leave a comment below or contact me directly.
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Written a month ago and based off numbers/science we know to be very wrong today. Remember, if you die in your bathtub with a toaster - they think you MAY have had CV19 - they'll mark it a CV19 death.

A MN doctor got a 7 page document to fill out death certs with CV-19 diagnosis EVEN if that wasn't COD from the Minnesota dept of health.

Why do you think that is?


Over reporting isn't the case in NYC, at least according to their department of health:

"The announcement comes as New York City, which has been hardest-hit by the virus, saw its largest single-day toll so far from the COVID-19 pandemic, with 727 dying in a 24-hour period.

However, even those numbers failed to include many instances when first responders encountered someone who had already died at home or in other non-hospital settings. That happened 280 times on Monday, according to data from the city's Fire Department.

While not all of those deaths are necessarily caused by COVID-19, it's a sharp increase over the average 25 home deaths per day the city was experiencing before the pandemic swept the five boroughs."

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kwg,
In 40 yrs they have not developed a vaccine for aids, why do they believe this will be different? herd immunity has enabled man to survive for millennium.

But that doesn't serve a political agenda.....

The panic is media driven.

In 2009 we didn't have the panic over H1N1 ...... why?


Aids is passed by risky behavior. This is passed just by breathing if someone infected has been in the area 3 hours previous. I don't think we can return to "normal" by May 1st. I think this thing is going to be an issue for a whole year. Hopefully, there will be better research on stopping it or immunizing folks against it by September 1st so the kids can go back to school and America back to work.

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I'm not bothering to read 5 pages of redundant bullshit, but it was reported today that 86% of the fatalities in NYC had pre existing health issues.....so on the bright side, if we saved a million lives by crashing the global economy, not only did it just cost us about 2 trillion dollars (according to the world economic forum) which doesn't include the trillions the fed is printing and the .gov is spending in stimulus, and comes out to two million a life saved, but those lives only hada limited time left til the inevitable happened any way. Say we saved a million lives and each of those lives had two years left? It cost us about $240.00 an hour to keep those million folks alive an extra 2 years.
Sounds like a bargain!



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Mother nature works in mysterious ways but sometimes things are for the best, even if hard to deal with.



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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Mother nature works in mysterious ways but sometimes things are for the best, even if hard to deal with.

Yep Jack she makes the rules... like it or not


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by jackmountain
Mother nature works in mysterious ways but sometimes things are for the best, even if hard to deal with.

Yep Jack she makes the rules... like it or not


I've met very few people I'd be willing to
Pay 2 million bucks to keep them alive 2 years. I'm not arrogant enough to think my life is worth a million a year either. Life's about choices. I choose to live in an area of low population density and keep food and other necessities stored for mid term survival. If you don't? Sorry?



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Originally Posted by irfubar
Another month and the small business's won't be coming back


2 months and the entire US economy will be fractured and the reality of a long term downturn will set in.
My area, they're predicting 35-40% of small retail and restaurants are shuttered permanently.



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Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by irfubar
kwg,
In 40 yrs they have not developed a vaccine for aids, why do they believe this will be different? herd immunity has enabled man to survive for millennium.

But that doesn't serve a political agenda.....

The panic is media driven.

In 2009 we didn't have the panic over H1N1 ...... why?


Aids is passed by risky behavior. This is passed just by breathing if someone infected has been in the area 3 hours previous. I don't think we can return to "normal" by May 1st. I think this thing is going to be an issue for a whole year. Hopefully, there will be better research on stopping it or immunizing folks against it by September 1st so the kids can go back to school and America back to work.

kwg


You really think there will be jobs to go back too after a year?!! Jesus fuggin Christ! Shaking my fuggin head......



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Originally Posted by jackmountain
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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Mother nature works in mysterious ways but sometimes things are for the best, even if hard to deal with.

Yep Jack she makes the rules... like it or not


I've met very few people I'd be willing to
Pay 2 million bucks to keep them alive 2 years. I'm not arrogant enough to think my life is worth a million a year either. Life's about choices. I choose to live in an area of low population density and keep food and other necessities stored for mid term survival. If you don't? Sorry?


The reality right or wrong is everyone has a value... some people more than others..... math don't lie


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by jackmountain
I'm not bothering to read 5 pages of redundant bullshit, but it was reported today that 86% of the fatalities in NYC had pre existing health issues.....so on the bright side, if we saved a million lives by crashing the global economy, not only did it just cost us about 2 trillion dollars (according to the world economic forum) which doesn't include the trillions the fed is printing and the .gov is spending in stimulus, and comes out to two million a life saved, but those lives only hada limited time left til the inevitable happened any way. Say we saved a million lives and each of those lives had two years left? It cost us about $240.00 an hour to keep those million folks alive an extra 2 years.
Sounds like a bargain!


I like the way you think, pretty logical and to the point.

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Nobody doesn't know about this now, three weeks into the information curve going up, the case and death curve will start to go down, the peak is this week.

Anybody that was saved has been saved and should be able to figure out how to stay saved. Those that died would have and those that continue to get the virus and die didn't learn the lesson and would have also.

After this week it's time to continue life with the known precautions.

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Originally Posted by krp
Nobody doesn't know about this now, three weeks into the information curve going up, the case and death curve will start to go down, the peak is this week.

Anybody that was saved has been saved and should be able to figure out how to stay saved. Those that died would have and those that continue to get the virus and die didn't learn the lesson and would have also.

After this week it's time to continue life with the known precautions.

Kent


Thank you Ken for an adult analysis...


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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