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My experience is the most unsafe and generally average at best shooters on the range are cops, military and gun store/internet know it all's.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Your lack of life experience is glaring.
You've never managed ammo count for anything. Much less DHS.
Your post is nothing short of idiotic. As I observed, ...even minor abstractions escape you
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Oh I get it, it's an anti-cop thread.
Carry on. Well ya because most of these tards have negative encounters with the law....because they are retarded.
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Those officers might have life to live on their own time even if a range is available.
You're missing the point. If a "civilian" with his own full time job and everyday life responsibilities can find the time and the money to practice shooting on their own, why shouldn't a cop, whose life (or others) may depend on it, be able to? Cause unlike regular civilians the union will back incompetent cops no matter what and the city will pay his costs and collateral damages.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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My experience is the most unsafe and generally average at best shooters on the range are cops, military and gun store/internet know it all's. Soccer moms rule the range!
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... Reality is that few people I know in any profession work in their own time to get better at their profession. ..
There are those that don't much need to but still do - and those that clearly do need to - but don't. ... Frankly, I am not very good at independent learning. I do much better in a classroom or master/apprentice relationship.
Good grief, you sound like a below average person.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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My experience is the most unsafe and generally average at best shooters on the range are cops, military and gun store/internet know it all's. We have many highly competitive officers, private security, and retired military who are very good. They are the ones that take an active role in running things and most are instructors and participate in action league night. I have also seen the other end where a local officer could not dispatch a road (near) kill from six feet.
-OMotS
"If memory serves fails me..." Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay " Television and radio are most effective when people question little and think even less.
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As a range instructor we see many levels of skill sets. Some are really good and alot are just trying to shoot well enough to qualify. Training time has been cut due to covid and the fall training schedule is filled to the brim due to all spring training being canceled.Hiring is tough and retention is just as tough. People love to complain about the cops, it is a fact of the times.
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... Reality is that few people I know in any profession work in their own time to get better at their profession. ..
There are those that don't much need to but still do - and those that clearly do need to - but don't. ... Frankly, I am not very good at independent learning. I do much better in a classroom or master/apprentice relationship.
Good grief, you sound like a below average person. I can live with that.
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I got curious, seems like this was rural Oklahoma so I would think them two Cops grew up with firearms.
Sequoya County, Oklahoma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoyah_County,_Oklahoma#History
Mostly poor, rural, 70% White, 20% Indian, one in six families below the poverty line.
But Democrats outnumbering Republicans 52% to 32%?
There's a puzzle, didn't think there were enough Indians for that.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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As a range instructor we see many levels of skill sets. Some are really good and alot are just trying to shoot well enough to qualify. Training time has been cut due to covid and the fall training schedule is filled to the brim due to all spring training being canceled.Hiring is tough and retention is just as tough. People love to complain about the cops, it is a fact of the times. Yep. They think cop pay is great, the work is easy, that they know more than cops, cop pensions are BS, anyone can do it, etc. Were that the case you'd think they'd make a career out of it and make the world a much better place. But they don't.
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... Reality is that few people I know in any profession work in their own time to get better at their profession. ..
There are those that don't much need to but still do - and those that clearly do need to - but don't. ... Frankly, I am not very good at independent learning. I do much better in a classroom or master/apprentice relationship.
Good grief, you sound like a below average person. I can live with that. From what I have seen Paul is a better human being than I am.
-OMotS
"If memory serves fails me..." Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay " Television and radio are most effective when people question little and think even less.
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All of this does bring up the question of how is a LEO supposed to exit a vehicle while under fire from a perp firing upon them with a longarm?
Hit what they're aiming at of course, preferably with their own longarm. Sure seems like a tough situation to drive up on tho, if the bad guy woulda had an AR 15 he coulda taken out both Cops right at the start.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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^^^ From very far away. Preferably find reverse if you're too close and park at an angle so you can roll out with the car between you and the bad guy with a long arm.
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.. Trying to control fear, adrenaline dump agency policy, procedure, the review of your actions by your department, departmental charges, public out cry, grand jury review by the states attorney,with a possible indictment, a trail,and attorney fees, they are brave to pull their guns and engage. If you are given all of one second to decide all of the listed factors, it is no wonder they did not shot well... are you seriously suggesting those officers were mentally juggling/fervently considering all those issues you listed as they drew their weapons?
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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LOLOLOL
Blow guns might add an exciting new twist to the game. I can't say with any degree of authority though.
Waaaay ahead of ya' buddy.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Paul Barnard, thanks that's what I was thinking but not saying. I have said it before,train up, suit up and show us how to do the job, Quit running your suck and show me. For those that hate us so much... please go and handle your problems on your own. they are much wiser and experienced then I. See how that works out for you. Quit paying taxes,remember that's my salary. We do our best each tour we work but, in the end we are all flawed products and that speaks to our results. People are the most interesting part of my job and the most frustrating! But it is all I know and I am near the end of this ride. Thank God! Blue
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I stand corrected....
Sounds like you need some vitamin D and fresh air.....
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Your lack of life experience is glaring.
You've never managed ammo count for anything. Much less DHS.
Your post is nothing short of idiotic. As I observed, ...even minor abstractions escape you Stick to things you know. Whatever that might be.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Why can't the officers use the training facilities provided for them on their own time?
Those officers might have life to live on their own time even if a range is available. Folks in all kinds of fields make what are called sacrifices to improve their careers and abilities. Nobody gets anywhere without some form of sacrifice. Whether one is a lousy tradesman cause of lack of training and can't well provide for their family as result.. Or if one is LE and gets killed due to lousy shooting skills leaving a family behind... The message is the same = Take responsibility for yourself and situation.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
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