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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea

I stand corrected....

Sounds like you need some vitamin D and fresh air.....



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Originally Posted by mirage243
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Perhaps a shotgun would have worked better.


I think you'll find that many patrol officers don't have ready access to a shotgun.


Why not?


Cost.

Laziness.

Culture of the department.

Policy.

Politics.

Vehicle mounted gun locks.

Availability.

These are just for starters...


Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher

I'd be highly reluctant to fire a handgun inside a closed car.


That's because you're an idiot.


Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I only knew one guy in patrol who had accidentally fired a shotgun through the roof while taking it out of the rack in a patrol car. He said it was very loud and wore hearing aids. Can't say all the hearing damage was from that single shotgun round but he said at least some of it was. He also said 00 Buck does a lot of damage to a roof.


I seen a concerned but decidedly intoxicated neighbor blow a hole in the roof of his pickup with a 12 gauge one night, but we was standing outside talking while he was putting it into his truck. Dunno what ammo, the hole looked like a little volcano sticking up on the roof.


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Twelve yard shot and according to the narrator, VERY fast cycling, possibly affecting accuracy . I wonder how much of a difference (if any) would a non-striker pistol would have made in terms of accuracy? Personally, I shoot much better with a non-striker fired pistol (our guys here use Beretta 92s) than with a Glock style trigger. I defer to you guys with experience, but I must say, I was surprised at the hit ratio and shooting through the windscreen?


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Twelve yard shot and according to the narrator, VERY fast cycling, possibly affecting accuracy . I wonder how much of a difference (if any) would a non-striker pistol would have made in terms of accuracy? Personally, I shoot much better with a non-striker fired pistol (our guys here use Beretta 92s) than with a Glock style trigger. I defer to you guys with experience, but I must say, I was surprised at the hit ratio and shooting through the windscreen?


It's not really something a guy can answer without knowing a whole lot of things that we don't.

I can tell you that if you go to a USPSA match you'll find a whole lot of C class shooters using Glocks that have better scores and times than D class shooters in Open. Hell, a lot of times I outshoot guys in PCC. Has more to do with the shooter than the platform.

Nothing wrong with shooting through glass. Bullets go up on the way out of a windshield and down on the way into the vehicle. Traversing left and right causes more wonkiness. Not ideal but there's no reason to not engage something behind glass.


Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Twelve yard shot and according to the narrator, VERY fast cycling, possibly affecting accuracy . I wonder how much of a difference (if any) would a non-striker pistol would have made in terms of accuracy? Personally, I shoot much better with a non-striker fired pistol (our guys here use Beretta 92s) than with a Glock style trigger. I defer to you guys with experience, but I must say, I was surprised at the hit ratio and shooting through the windscreen?


It's not really something a guy can answer without knowing a whole lot of things that we don't.

I can tell you that if you go to a USPSA match you'll find a whole lot of C class shooters using Glocks that have better scores and times than D class shooters in Open. Hell, a lot of times I outshoot guys in PCC. Has more to do with the shooter than the platform.

Nothing wrong with shooting through glass. Bullets go up on the way out of a windshield and down on the way into the vehicle. Traversing left and right causes more wonkiness. Not ideal but there's no reason to not engage something behind glass.


What did you do before you became a stay at home dad? Navy green beret? Marine delta force? Or Air Force seal?


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Mike_S
Just because you are a police officer doesn’t automatically make you a good shot.



Indeed.

Have any of you shot with LEO and your local range. Even in a non-stressed range environment, not great, in fact often times scary.

Oh, and the, "It cost money to train these officers, money we don't have" - "We can't afford to go practice shooting on our own dime" it all bull schit.

If you are going to carry a firearm, learn how to use it and use it well, otherwise don't carry one.


I worked for an agency that spent a great many thousands of dollars sending the top brass to Florida for "Ethics in Law Enforcement" training. They also brought their wives and girlfriends.

But they could not afford to have us shoot more than a 60 round course of fire, twice a year and NO practice ammo was issued. Any extra ammo in your magazines was made to emptied back into the boxes after the quals.

Of course the Chief Deputy would brag that he had shot tens of thousands of rounds through his sidearm in spite of the fact that he did no actual police work, and was purely an administrator (and as dirty as they come).. The dude was and is a total piece of schidt. The agency makes crooked old southern Sheriff's offices look progressive... Want a felony charge to go away, make $xx,xxx donation to the prosecutor's or Sheriff's re-election campaign..

And you wonder why the cops who work the street don't have any money in their training budget? Ask the guys who take it and spend it on "training" trips with their girlfriends..

Nothing new.




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Thank you for the reply. I qualify with my guys here at work and from what I can see, the first shot on target (double action, hammer down) tends to usually be the first shot, but your explanation and experience points to shooter prowess and of course pressure under fire as it were. Of course myself having grown up with the 1911, I can tell you I am much quicker and on target with a Condition One 1911 out of the chocks that I am with a Glock, then again, I've probably fired the 1911, lots more than my Glocks...


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Originally Posted by 79S
Navy green beret? Marine delta force? Or Air Force seal?




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