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Didn't read em all...

but what we get out of it, if you are at risk, then do what you have to. You already don't smoke, or drink or eat fatty foods, exercise and so on. You could do it in public if you knew how to do it. And be awful low risk at that.

The rest of us, we just want to get on with life.

This is the most worried I've ever seen people in my life over what we consider just life. Some things get you. some dont.

its like being so damn worried about getting on a jet plane, that driving to the airport you have a fatal wreck....

If we are all just going to be scared the rest of our lives, Jesus help us all.

Computer models are only as good or accurate as the information you put into them... tell them everyone is going to be in isolation until tested and shown not to be a carrier, numbers of cases and the resulting deaths will decline. Tell them that a fool is going to ignore best practices and spread a bunch of lies. opening everything back up to wide-spreading of the virus all over again, number of cases and resulting deaths will climb again... really its a pretty simple to understand... what isn't is why anybody would want something so bad as to jeopardize ten's, if not hundred's of thousands of lives.


Phil

Yes that is true.

What I am doing a bad job of conveying is something like this,

When numbers of deaths are used to make decisions such as shutting down economies in favor of mass isolations of the population, it doesn't make sense to include deaths from nursing homes, or other infirm people. Those folks are already about as isolated as they can get.

If shutting down the economy is intended to reduce the deaths, there might be some merit in evaluating the number of deaths from the actual work force.

Yes please look at everyone else waiving their vagina around over what I posted. TFF

A million deaths would be around 1/3 of 1% of the U.S. population.

While Joseph Stalin wasn't much of a a role model, he was spot on when he said that a single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.

I'm a pragmatist and happen to think that 99.7% odds of coming out of this alive are like playing with house money, so maybe it is time to take our chances. After all, who wouldn't bet big if the probability of winning was 997 times out of 1,000?

Sweden didn’t tell their population to shelter in place.

Do me a favor and answer these questions:

1: Are they all dead?
2: How long do we need to hide
3: Since the first human corona virus was identified in 1960
Sixty years have past and there are ZERO vaccines for any corona virus. How can you tell us there will definitely be one available soon for this one?
4: Even if one comes available by Fall, are we to hide until then? If so, how do we deal with the complete economic collapse of Western Civilization?

5. How do suggest the government deal with the inevitable public restlessness if being forced to home confine for months more? Fines? Arrests? Mass incarceration?

I’m sure you will have answers that will put us all at ease with this. Thank you in advance.

I have to ask how much your freedom has cost?

A view into a liberal mind...... mind boggling... let this be an example of why you never let a leftist have an inch of power!

No schit.

How the fugg are you this stupid?

Since you act like a gentleman about it, I'll do the work for you.. I did nap first....


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cleaning-disinfection.html

So there is one, it took less than 15 seconds to produce. This has been mentioned in almost every CD-19 Study I've read.
You could easily find more if you feel information from the CDC is not valid...

It's said to be possible but there isn't a single documented case...


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html#:~:text=It%20may%20be%20possible%20that,way%20the%20virus%20spreads.

GFY

Now for something there are documented cases of

Cleaning and Disinfectant Chemical Exposures and Temporal Associations with COVID-19 — National Poison Data System, United States, January 1, 2020–March 31, 2020

*An adult woman heard on the news to clean all recently purchased groceries before consuming them. She filled a sink with a mixture of 10% bleach solution, vinegar, and hot water, and soaked her produce. While cleaning her other groceries, she noted a noxious smell described as “chlorine” in her kitchen. She developed difficulty breathing, coughing, and wheezing, and called 911. She was transported to the emergency department (ED) via ambulance and was noted to have mild hypoxemia and end-expiratory wheezing. She improved with oxygen and bronchodilators.

*A preschool-aged child was found unresponsive at home and transported to the ED via ambulance. A 64-ounce bottle of ethanol-based hand sanitizer was found open on the kitchen table. According to her family, she became dizzy after ingesting an unknown amount, fell and hit her head. She vomited while being transported to the ED, where she was poorly responsive. Her blood alcohol level was elevated at 273 mg/dL (most state laws define a limit of 80 mg/dL for driving under the influence); neuroimaging did not indicate traumatic injuries. She was admitted to the pediatric intensive care unit.....


Canadians are accidentally poisoning themselves while cleaning to prevent COVID-19

*According to Health Canada, February and March combined showed a 58 per cent increase from the same period a year earlier in reported exposures related to cleaning products, bleaches, disinfectants, hand sanitizers, and chlorine and chloramine gases.

Poisonings involving bleach are most common, making up 38 per cent of all calls to poison centres in March.


Accidental poisonings from cleaning supplies on the rise during COVID-19 outbreak

* The spike is due to increased exposure to these products in the home because people are stockpiling items during the pandemic and cleaning more due to fear of spreading COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

The agency says that people spending more time at home due to the pandemic is also a considerable factor.


As Disinfectant Use Soars to Fight Coronavirus, So Do Accidental Poisonings

*Reported U.S. poisonings from disinfectants rose 36% from 2019 to 2020




Poison control sees spike in calls for cleaner, disinfectant accidents amid COVID-19 pandemic

*From January to March this year, poison control centers received 45,550 calls related to cleaner and disinfectant exposure.


Tennessee Poison Center sees more calls, hospitalizations over disinfectants amid COVID-19

*The Tennessee Poison Center has seen an increase in calls related to cleaning supply overexposure as well as a jump in people hospitalized after ingesting hydrogen peroxide as Tennesseans try to ward off the coronavirus.

Since the coronavirus hit Tennessee, health care workers at the center, housed at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, have fielded more calls from people across the state who have possibly overexposed themselves to disinfectants.


Reported disinfectant poisonings in children on the rise during pandemic

*"Our center has experienced a greater than 100% increase in calls related to disinfecting products from March 31 through this week," said Dr. Kelly Johnson-Arbor, medical director of the National Capital Poison Center. While President Trump's comments on fighting Covid-19 with disinfectants have been tied to a surge of poison control calls, the increase predates his April 23 press briefing.
Dr. Johnson-Arbor's poison center serves counties in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia, but calls are up across the United States.

Maybe an infected person handed both of them a communion wafer.

We may begin to get some numbers that aren't lies after the November elections.

Yep, it's all about twisting and turning everything related to CV-19 to get elected in November.
All sides are taking full advantage, truths are scarce..

It's all about gaining headline that make you appear more favorable....facts are not even being taken into consideration, nor is your well being...

They want to keep you scared so the multitudes will vote for me vote for me vote for me, I'm the only one that can save your life.

But most likely it was due to being in close contact with all those other people in the church...or whatever this individual subjected themselves to prior to or after they visited this church....

No facts there at all that point at touch being the cause......

read that the modeler for the Imperial College - their report of deaths in the millions led to Trump to change his tone about the potential of the virus - was caught breaking the stay at home order to bone his mistress

and has since resigned a key advisory position to the UK government.

no shortage of people telling us to stay home and ignoring their own advice

Here you go, I want to help you with your research and I don't want you to needless quote a super biased source such as Business Insider. Let's take a look at a source not influenced by US politics, in this case The Telegraph from London. Comp[ares Sweden's approach of hands off to Denmark's lock down. Two very similar countries. The result? About the same for both. as a matter of fact, check this out:

https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-suppressed-infection-rates-without-082953085.html

"Sweden's state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues."




I hope that helps you with your research. We wait for those answers. Thx.

Agreed