The funny thing is that everyone argues about deaths (myself included), but if we think back, the panic was about flattening the curve. In other words, the virus will still run through the population and still kill about as many. It will just be spread over a longer time.
A fact lost on many
Which fact?
That absent a treatment or vaccine, which we don’t have, the same amount of people will contract the virus and the same amount of people will die.
Not a fact at all. Spreading out the numbers does save lives. First the medical facilities will not get swamped giving patients better care with appropriate support. NY was the only place that really got swamped, but that is simply because the plan worked and a few very unexpected things happened.
Second, and huge, is the fact lower numbers of cases and the social distancing reduced the viral load (titer, whatever label you prefer) making each individual's immune system better able to deal with the virus. In swamped areas patients got far heavier infections in far less time making it harder to fight.
Both of these items saved lives. The same number of people may come in contact with the virus but the severity will be reduced.
The unexpected and huge impact of the Isreali protocol of hydrochloroquine and zinc was the real difference. Medical staff started using it early on prophylactically resulting in far fewer of them getting sick. It is remarkable how few of them got sick.
Trump blew it by telling the public too early, before supplies were available, and got the media beating him down. He is now sitting on that nugget, waiting to drop it at an important time. It is the single most important element in the fight.
Now for the important questions about the Isreali research that brought forward the treatment protocol: what led them to the proper treatment so quickly? Obviously they were already doing research and knew about the effect before the pandemic. Did they expect an attack on themselves with some version of coronavirus? Or were they planning to use a coronavirus as a biological weapon and studying effective treatments for their soldiers and citizens?
Back in the '70s there was an outbreak of Eastern Equine Encephalomyelitis and the US military immediately supplied everyone affected with a vaccine. Though they denied planning to use it as a bioweapon it raised questions.
Sorry. Wrong.
Dr. Wittkowski received his PhD in computer science from the University of Stuttgart and his ScD (Habilitation) in Medical Biometry from the Eberhard-Karls-University Tuüingen, both Germany. He worked for 15 years with Klaus Dietz, a leading epidemiologist who coined the term “reproduction number”, on the Epidemiology of HIV before heading for 20 years the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University, New York. He is currently the CEO of ASDERA LLC, a company discovering novel treatments for complex diseases from data of genome-wide association studies.
Still time for pole vaulting and that wonderful Aussie hurdler gal warming up.
Geno
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
Another intellectual that resides in a glorified Eskimo village.
Keep typing, genius.
You cannot begin to address anything I stated and you want to call me names? The best you can come up with is playing cheerleader. Sadly the Honeybears must be all you ever had for role models so you keep right on leading cheers for the losers. And doing everyone a serious disservice.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
The funny thing is that everyone argues about deaths (myself included), but if we think back, the panic was about flattening the curve. In other words, the virus will still run through the population and still kill about as many. It will just be spread over a longer time.
A fact lost on many
Which fact?
That absent a treatment or vaccine, which we don’t have, the same amount of people will contract the virus and the same amount of people will die.
Not a fact at all. Spreading out the numbers does save lives. First the medical facilities will not get swamped giving patients better care with appropriate support. NY was the only place that really got swamped, but that is simply because the plan worked and a few very unexpected things happened.
Second, and huge, is the fact lower numbers of cases and the social distancing reduced the viral load (titer, whatever label you prefer) making each individual's immune system better able to deal with the virus. In swamped areas patients got far heavier infections in far less time making it harder to fight.
Both of these items saved lives. The same number of people may come in contact with the virus but the severity will be reduced.
The unexpected and huge impact of the Isreali protocol of hydrochloroquine and zinc was the real difference. Medical staff started using it early on prophylactically resulting in far fewer of them getting sick. It is remarkable how few of them got sick.
Trump blew it by telling the public too early, before supplies were available, and got the media beating him down. He is now sitting on that nugget, waiting to drop it at an important time. It is the single most important element in the fight.
Now for the important questions about the Isreali research that brought forward the treatment protocol: what led them to the proper treatment so quickly? Obviously they were already doing research and knew about the effect before the pandemic. Did they expect an attack on themselves with some version of coronavirus? Or were they planning to use a coronavirus as a biological weapon and studying effective treatments for their soldiers and citizens?
Back in the '70s there was an outbreak of Eastern Equine Encephalomyelitis and the US military immediately supplied everyone affected with a vaccine. Though they denied planning to use it as a bioweapon it raised questions.
Sorry. Wrong.
Dr. Wittkowski received his PhD in computer science from the University of Stuttgart and his ScD (Habilitation) in Medical Biometry from the Eberhard-Karls-University Tuüingen, both Germany. He worked for 15 years with Klaus Dietz, a leading epidemiologist who coined the term “reproduction number”, on the Epidemiology of HIV before heading for 20 years the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University, New York. He is currently the CEO of ASDERA LLC, a company discovering novel treatments for complex diseases from data of genome-wide association studies.
You cannot begin to address anything I stated and you want to call me names? The best you can come up with is playing cheerleader. Sadly the Honeybears must be all you ever had for role models so you keep right on leading cheers for the losers. And doing everyone a serious disservice.
Your posts say all that need be heard.
Please continue.
Originally Posted by Geno67
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual.
Originally Posted by Judman
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
Originally Posted by KSMITH
My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
The funny thing is that everyone argues about deaths (myself included), but if we think back, the panic was about flattening the curve. In other words, the virus will still run through the population and still kill about as many. It will just be spread over a longer time.
A fact lost on many
Which fact?
That absent a treatment or vaccine, which we don’t have, the same amount of people will contract the virus and the same amount of people will die.
Not a fact at all. Spreading out the numbers does save lives. First the medical facilities will not get swamped giving patients better care with appropriate support. NY was the only place that really got swamped, but that is simply because the plan worked and a few very unexpected things happened.
Second, and huge, is the fact lower numbers of cases and the social distancing reduced the viral load (titer, whatever label you prefer) making each individual's immune system better able to deal with the virus. In swamped areas patients got far heavier infections in far less time making it harder to fight.
Both of these items saved lives. The same number of people may come in contact with the virus but the severity will be reduced.
The unexpected and huge impact of the Isreali protocol of hydrochloroquine and zinc was the real difference. Medical staff started using it early on prophylactically resulting in far fewer of them getting sick. It is remarkable how few of them got sick.
Trump blew it by telling the public too early, before supplies were available, and got the media beating him down. He is now sitting on that nugget, waiting to drop it at an important time. It is the single most important element in the fight.
Now for the important questions about the Isreali research that brought forward the treatment protocol: what led them to the proper treatment so quickly? Obviously they were already doing research and knew about the effect before the pandemic. Did they expect an attack on themselves with some version of coronavirus? Or were they planning to use a coronavirus as a biological weapon and studying effective treatments for their soldiers and citizens?
Back in the '70s there was an outbreak of Eastern Equine Encephalomyelitis and the US military immediately supplied everyone affected with a vaccine. Though they denied planning to use it as a bioweapon it raised questions.
Sorry. Wrong.
Dr. Wittkowski received his PhD in computer science from the University of Stuttgart and his ScD (Habilitation) in Medical Biometry from the Eberhard-Karls-University Tuüingen, both Germany. He worked for 15 years with Klaus Dietz, a leading epidemiologist who coined the term “reproduction number”, on the Epidemiology of HIV before heading for 20 years the Department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Research Design at The Rockefeller University, New York. He is currently the CEO of ASDERA LLC, a company discovering novel treatments for complex diseases from data of genome-wide association studies.
Please tell me what I am supposed to catch this time while rereading his comments. he makes lots of points and many are valid and how they intersect with my comments creates room for legitimate debate, but comparing headlines is not compelling.
What points are you trying to argue? He has made many demonstrably false arguments.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
You cannot begin to address anything I stated and you want to call me names? The best you can come up with is playing cheerleader. Sadly the Honeybears must be all you ever had for role models so you keep right on leading cheers for the losers. And doing everyone a serious disservice.
Your posts say all that need be heard.
Please continue.
You are not worthy. If you have a point you think I erred on I will try to use smaller words for you. But I am not wasting time for you on argument you will not read and cannot understand.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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