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Difficult and multi-faceted for sure.


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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd

Other than my personal experience above, I only have other secondary experiences but in my mind, there is analogy to be made with many places in Africa; I’m thinking of Ghana, Africa where there is garbage everywhere, illiteracy, broken down buildings and equipment, roving packs of feral dogs, and seemingly little chance for the poor to escape “upward”.

A church group has been involved in the Rosebud Res in SD and while there are some people there who have embraced Christ and are making an impact to improve life, it’s a difficult road with a broken culture, alcoholism (alcohol is banned but the black market thrives) child abandonment, ubiquitous garbage, and for most, a short life..

Yet they suddenly become concerned about the health of their tribal community and focus on a non-existent problem in the Fauxrona Virus.
It appears, as does our governments, concern about the Fauxrona Virus is more political than medical.


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It might be like the ‘Hood, where most anyone with drive and ability can succeed here in America and leave the ‘Hood and all its problems behind to raise their kids. Mostly it’s the dysfunctional that stay behind.

‘Nother burden on the Rez; raised to believe you’re a victim. We had a young couple from Cheyenne River come stay with us for a few months, fleeing an episode of violence they were subject to up there.

The guy adjusted well, found steady work with a home improvement contractor who was working on our house at the time. His girlfriend couldn’t adjust.

Now it’s gotta be understood where I live ain’t upscale ‘burbs with everyone locked away in their houses, and people here often look more Indian than a lot of Indians. But she was so used to living on a handout economy she couldn’t take it.

Her America was not the America we know, her America was a network of reservation islands surrounded by a foreign country.


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Definitely a cultural problem, that is why I have so much respect for those who get out and succeed breaking the cycle..

That is why I would like to see the abolishment of the reservation system and their welfare. The culture does not allow anyone succeed.

There was a group that was trying to "bring back the bow" Spent lots of time and resources. When speaking with one of the people on how to get more involvement, his answer was simple.
$$$. Trying to bring back THEIR cultural heritage by teaching them to make self bows.and archery equipment and they wanted $$$ to learn THEIR heritage!

For as much as they talk about family, sharing,values etc. They treat each other inhumanely. Rape, beatings, incest, sexual abuse.

No one else can help them, they have to do it themselves.


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If they had a work ethic they could make a fortune selling meth on the rez...
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They do make a fortune selling meth on the rez,without a work ethic and that is the biggest problem not the meth ,which is a big proble
m. BUT THE TOTAL LACK OF A CONSISTANT WORK ETHIC PASSED ON FROM ONE GENETATION TO THE NEXT. A very low percentage of lakota on the res are interested in getting up every day, pulling there pants on 1 leg at a time and go to work to earn a living. The best and brightest of them leave,do not come back, they also move far enough away so their extended family can't come and load off them. That's a cultural problem they have,if one is doing good the family shows up to live off their largess. Putting them right back to poverty level. The IHS is(Indian health service) is a division of the PHS one of the 7 uniformed services of the US. Their management is also part of the problem. They create little subdivisions out in the middle of nowhere for them to live and tax dollars fund the whole deal ,when their car breaks down their screwed.Far away from the grocery store,doctors, schools, and everything else in modern life deamed essential. White people only get to enjoy rural living if they can afford to do it and so become fairly self sufficient at it but the government with our tax dollars sticks the natives out in the sticks who can't take care of themselves or are to lazy too. Then expect the rest of us to pay for them. I have lived in SD for 60 years I know what I am talking about,for the last 35 of those years I was involved in many projects for the IHS and the SDDOT on every reservation in SD and surrounding states.. Dealing with NA 's effectively is about impossible simply because they won't be responsible for themselves. CRS IS ON THE MONEY out here in western SD and Nighthawk sure has things pinned down in east river. The Indian today that is a problem (not all are) are a problem because they are subsidized by the gov't. They have to take responsibility for themselves, it's just that simple. I retired the other day so I don't have to worry about retribution from my ex employer. MB


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I've heard of some Cree bands doing the same in Alberta, specifically the Saddle Lake band.

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and clocks. You know... Rez time


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You cant be a success on the Rez....or at least its very difficult.

Even with some exclusive advantages.







If they had a work ethic they could make a fortune selling meth on the rez...

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Well...they ARE hard workers when they work.


Its just different from us.

They work to get what they need at the moment and then slow down some.

You need day riders/cowboys?

Them rez cowboys are some of the best around.


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I can add only one thing — secularists have no understanding of human nature and how we are made.

Handouts, without end, no matter how well intentioned, destroy the the dignity of a man and crush his soul, resulting in the pathetic creatures we see.

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Pathetic?

I would not go so far.

We don't fully understand them because we are not indians.

I bow up a bit at the idea of them being pathetic however.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Pathetic?

I would not go so far.

We don't fully understand them because we are not indians.

I bow up a bit at the idea of them being pathetic however.



Not to pick a fight, but as long as they're taking "free money" and other advantages offered only based on ethnicity they earn every epithet tossed thataway. Same as the joggers and white trash, etc.


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I got in an argument with my brother in law about the Kiwi Bird.

New Zealands national symbol.

He maintained the bird was pretty useless and pathetic.

I maintained they were happy as hell before he got there and fugged everything up.


Gosh..why dont people just stop using heroin.......its just a choice afterall.....


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If I still got a pulse and mobility when I'm 70 I thought about retiring and going to teach on a Rez up there, one of the fastest ways to go down in flames I can think of smile

So.... Box Elder or Pattaya Beach... dunno yet.


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My moms cousins grew up in the Hays-Lodgepole area.

Their parents taught school there.

When it came to be recess, the three white kids had to be the indians....the native kids got to be the cowboys.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Pathetic?

I would not go so far.

We don't fully understand them because we are not indians.

I bow up a bit at the idea of them being pathetic however.


My apologies Jim. Not intended in the way you think; I could have used different words and been clearer. I didn’t mean they were pathetic in the usual use of the word like the critical, recriminating “you are pathetic” , but rather in a state of pathos — a state of sympathy, of sorrow, as in a state of a crushing environment.

I claim no moral supremacy. I was born in a culture that buoyed me up, that didn’t enable me to “destroy” myself.

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Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
If I still got a pulse and mobility when I'm 70 I thought about retiring and going to teach on a Rez up there, one of the fastest ways to go down in flames I can think of smile

So.... Box Elder or Pattaya Beach... dunno yet.


My Dad taught bio over 35 years and we lived next to the Chippewas Rez in NW Wi. He tried for over 35 years to recruit members' kids from the tribe to go to U of Mn or U of WI. He had free ride scholarships set up their kids and spoke often to tribal council and was shutdown because they didn't want the white man to brainwash their children. So they dropped out of school at 16 and became alcoholics, drug addicts and baby makers. Some were really bright but they receive ed their casino check every month so why study and work and improve your lot in life. Endless cycle of poverty.

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If I still got a pulse and mobility when I'm 70 I thought about retiring and going to teach on a Rez up there, one of the fastest ways to go down in flames I can think of smile

So.... Box Elder or Pattaya Beach... dunno yet.


My Dad taught bio over 35 years and we lived next to the Chippewas Rez in NW Wi. He tried for over 35 years to recruit members' kids from the tribe to go to U of Mn or U of WI. He had free ride scholarships set up their kids and spoke often to tribal council and was shutdown because they didn't want the white man to brainwash their children. So they dropped out of school at 16 and became alcoholics, drug addicts and baby makers. Some were really bright but they receive ed their casino check every month so why study and work and improve your lot in life. Endless cycle of poverty.


Yep, without the parents behind the kid its an almost impossible task.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
I got in an argument with my brother in law about the Kiwi Bird.

New Zealands national symbol.

He maintained the bird was pretty useless and pathetic.

I maintained they were happy as hell before he got there and fugged everything up.


Gosh..why dont people just stop using heroin.......its just a choice afterall.....



I get it.

So lets carve a bit of ground out for the "kiwis" and say no power grid, no road infrastructure, no metal, no modern medical facilities, no U.S. citizenship, and no horses. They can chase the buffalo and antelope with pointy sticks and sharp rocks.
Any access to the aforementioned and they forfeit the protected status.


Deal?

You can either tell New Zealand to go back to pre-european colonization and let kiwi birds do their thing, or you can carve out a preserve and keep them "as they were" for posterity. I don't liken people to critters. Though I know you just using an analogy. I just ran it to it's natural course.

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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
I got in an argument with my brother in law about the Kiwi Bird.

New Zealands national symbol.

He maintained the bird was pretty useless and pathetic.

I maintained they were happy as hell before he got there and fugged everything up.


Gosh..why dont people just stop using heroin.......its just a choice afterall.....



I get it.

So lets carve a bit of ground out for the "kiwis" and say no power grid, no road infrastructure, no metal, no modern medical facilities, no U.S. citizenship, and no horses. They can chase the buffalo and antelope with pointy sticks and sharp rocks.
Any access to the aforementioned and they forfeit the protected status.


Deal?

You can either tell New Zealand to go back to pre-european colonization and let kiwi birds do their thing, or you can carve out a preserve and keep them "as they were" for posterity. I don't liken people to critters. Though I know you just using an analogy. I just ran it to it's natural course.




...or we can refrain from judging until we have walked a mile in their moccasins...

I will say this tho... I know two former Rez residents who say it will never stop as long as the Government teat still flows....

..and the abuse of children oughtta be a capital crime no matter who you are mad


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If you want to abandon all reservations....even the ones for black folk and whitey......you had better try to figure out the 100 percent employment and birth rate problems.


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