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And if you personally choose to make a habit out of harassing innocent people in public places in the manner you describe, you better be prepared for a few black eyes, bloody noses, and perhaps even the need to use that CCW you carry.
And again, since you would be the aggressor, invading peoples' personal space, asking demanding questions, not complying when said person told you to Fug Off and leave them alone, you would be the instigator. The one guilty of a criminal act. That's all your creation. I suggested nothing of the sort.
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That edited videos shows:
1.) A consensual encounter between subject and primary officer 2.) Subject compliant 3.) Subject detained 4.) Subject becoming belligerent while still adhering to voice commands given by the officer 5.) Subject continuing to adhere to voice commands given by an officer 6.) Officer advising subject he has no wants or warrants 7.) Second officer's (failed) attempt to escalate the level of force 8.) Primary officer advising secondary that the subject is unarmed 9.) Arrival of supervisor on scene 10.) No arrest made
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Pushing a pram with a real live baby is even better for "casing out a place." Joggers jog and its hard to case when running. Wrong. Besides I have seen film of his walking prior to being scared away by the man across the street. And he sure wasn't running inside the house. I'm not taking up for the white boys but just saying it is a good idea to watch out for what a walking or jogging stranger may be up to. You know, neighborhood watch. You reckon I might get some hostile attention if I were go on a pedestrian tour of the burned out sections of Detroit or public housing in Chicago or New Orleans? Yes, if you see someone acting suspiciously in your neighbor hood, the appropriate response would be to walk out with a camera. Take a few pics. Holler at the person "I see you". Call the cops. It is not to chase him through the streets with a motor vehicle and shoot him dead.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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why do you all keep bringing this crap up? Only up to 83 pages the way my machine is set up. when they get to 100 I'll wonder why also.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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It is not to chase him through the streets with a motor vehicle and shoot him dead.
That's your leftist inspired characterization of what happened.
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It is not to chase him through the streets with a motor vehicle and shoot him dead.
That's your leftist inspired characterization of what happened. Actually. It's just a fact
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Clearly, IS, we disagree on a host of interpretations of what went on here. Like the 14th Amendment extending Constitutional rights to blacks?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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It is not to chase him through the streets with a motor vehicle and shoot him dead.
That's your leftist inspired characterization of what happened. Actually. It's just a fact And leaves out all sorts of relevant facts, such as a known burglary suspect attempting to snatch a loaded shotgun from him immediately prior to the shooting.
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And if you personally choose to make a habit out of harassing innocent people in public places in the manner you describe, you better be prepared for a few black eyes, bloody noses, and perhaps even the need to use that CCW you carry.
And again, since you would be the aggressor, invading peoples' personal space, asking demanding questions, not complying when said person told you to Fug Off and leave them alone, you would be the instigator. The one guilty of a criminal act. That's all your creation. I suggested nothing of the sort. You absolutely did. You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places. I would have felt physically in jeopardy had I asked this guy what he was doing there (which I am allowed to do), and he reacted to me the way he did to the officer. You are not permitted to place others in reasonable fear of imminent physical harm for merely asking a question.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Clearly, IS, we disagree on a host of interpretations of what went on here. Like the 14th Amendment extending Constitutional rights to blacks? That question is nonsense without context. What are you suggesting that I proposed that violates any of his rights (incorporated to the states, from the Bill of Rights, via the Fourteenth Amendment's due process clause)?
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You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places. I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't.
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And leaves out all sorts of relevant facts, such as a known burglary suspect attempting to snatch a loaded shotgun from him immediately prior to the shooting.
And you are leaving out all sorts of relevant facts which have actual legal bearing on the case. Such as: McMichaels had nothing to prove Arbery was guilty of any burglary. They did not witness nor had knowledge of any crime, other than a possible trespass. The use of the term "known burglary suspect" will not even be allowed in the courtroom. Facts not in evidence! And you leave out that Arbery was attempting to disarm an aggressor because of a reasonable fear for his life.
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200 pages on my iPad. This calls for a drink...too bad I quit alcohol.
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Still not enough evidence to decide anything other than the guy is dead.
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You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places. I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't. I am suggesting that most reasonable people would tell you to "FUGG OFF. What I do is none of your business. Get out of my face!" And that if you do anything other than turn and move along, the most reasonable of persons will become irritated with you and will commence to move you along.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places. I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't. I am suggesting that most reasonable people would tell you to "FUGG OFF. What I do is none of your business. Get out of my face!" And that if you do anything other than turn and move along, the most reasonable of persons will become irritated with you and will commence to move you along. Nope. Not lawful to "move someone along" in a public space for asking a question. You can ignore that person, or tell them to buzz off, but if it's a public space, both people have a right to be there. If you're annoyed by my question, you have a lawful right to leave, stay and ignore me, or converse with me, but you have no right to respond with violence or threat's of imminent violence, either verbally or non-verbally.
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Still not enough evidence to decide anything other than the guy is dead. are we even sure of that? After all, this is probably just a hoax by Biden and Hillary in cahoots with the MSM. No?
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What we have here is a split along the lines of fundamental world view. It reminds me of the public reaction to the OJ verdict. Each side saw it from completely conflicting perspectives. There was no point in debating it. Thomas Sowell wrote about this in his book A Conflict of Visions. Yes you are right. My world view is that we have a code of law and judicial process for a reason. That reason is that we no longer have a place for lynch mobs or vigilante justice in our society. Each man should have the foresight to see the likely consequences of his personal choices. Failing that he should have the nuts to stand up for his mistakes and take his dues as meted out by the courts.
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Boggles the imagination that folks can't see that everywhere there are super high crime areas, they are infested with Nike's and Joggers. We need to make running down the street and tennis shoes against the law.
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You explicitly stated your right to question private citizens in public places. I certainly did. That's quite distinct from what you imputed to me, however. Are you suggesting that it would be a crime for me to ask someone a question? Are you suggesting that violence, or the non-verbal imminent threat thereof, would be a lawful response to my asking a question? It isn't. I am suggesting that most reasonable people would tell you to "FUGG OFF. What I do is none of your business. Get out of my face!" And that if you do anything other than turn and move along, the most reasonable of persons will become irritated with you and will commence to move you along. Nope. Not lawful to "move someone along" in a public space for asking a question. You can ignore that person, or tell them to buzz off, but if it's a public space, both people have a right to be there. If you're annoyed by my question, you have a lawful right to leave, stay and ignore me, or converse with me, but you have no right to respond with violence or threat's if imminent violence, either verbally or non-verbally. Hahahahaahahahaha so brandishing weapons while pursuing someone isnt a threat of imminent violence?? Hahahahahahaha gosh darn your a retard hahahahaha
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