I think Ford is ok. I wish Toyota would buy them and improve their quality. GM not a phugging chance I would own one.
When you say "Improve their quality", does that mean an F150 will be the same vehicle for the next 14 years, like the Toyoda Tundra?
Design it properly from the Start, not change it constantly because it was not engineered right the first time. I had a 2016 F150 , Ford bought it back when it turned 6500 on the ODO. I loved the truck not the reliablity.
You forget that Toyoda had the same problems with the Tundra when it came out. Everything from exploding cam shafts to collapsing tailgates plagued the original Tundra. In fact, the problems were so bad that Toyoda CEO little Akio Toyoda cried when he was called on the carpet by congress and said "Tundra brings us shame". So going by what you say, you'd never buy a Tundra because they weren't designed correctly in the first place? Hmmm???
I am not discounting your fairy tale, I understand they had some issues with the new Tundra in 2007 but they were quickly resolved. I bought one brand new and only issue was a defective Michelin tire. I bought a brand new 2016 Ford 150 4wd eco boost 3.5 and the vacuum system failed. Hubs trying to engage at highway speeds ?????? You see Ford keeps redesigning the system that engages their hubs. They should have designed it right from the start. The shop was in contact with Ford Engineers for a month and could not figure out what the F was wrong with it. It was a Lemon. Out of all the cars and trucks in my life the only LEMON. Hmmmmm?
My Tundra was a 2008. Drove it for twelve years as previously stated and still got an awesome trade in when I got the the Tacoma last year. Could’ve sold it for even more if I’d wanted to. Or could’ve just kept right on driving the Tundra for another twelve if I didn’t want the Tacoma.
This guy wants it both ways. First he says it’s a bad thing to have the same proven design for too long. Then he makes use in the argument that a first year design was bad.
Walt is a bit delusional , he is a good guy however. One of the reasons Hondas and Toyotas are stolen so often is that major parts are interchangeable between model years . They design them right the first time because they have pride in their work.
Walt you must really hate America. You support the Mexican drug cartels and the Chinese Communist party? I thought you were a patriot
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The offset crash test is the most difficult for pick up truck makers to master. Naturally, the Ford F160 did the best of all trucks tested in this important test.
Provided it runs .
Is that pic from another blown turbo?
I refuse to do business with a company like Ford and GM who are in bed with our enemy, China, who trying to destroy the US.
Then by all means tell me, which auto company should we be doing business with???
The american companies have to sell to other countries because our politicians let all the digging foreign companies build plants here. If the Toyota’s and Honda’s were still imports it would be a different game.id much rather support American based companies than the japs or china
I had a 1993 GMC I bought new and had it for ten years before I wrecked it when some Karen stopped short in front of me for no reason. Bought a used 2003 Chev 3/4 HD crew cab and drove it until it had 200K on the odo and decided I was getting too old for the rough ride since I seldom tow any more or carry heavy loads so sold it and bought a 2015 Chev 1/2 ton Crew Cab for the better ride and modern features. Now, all my buddies want to take my truck every time we go somewhere- it has the best ride, nicest leather interior, quietest inside I've ever been in on the highway- much quieter than my wife's car or any car I've been in for quite some time. And I get pretty great gas mileage- 22.5 mpg on the way to a family reunion back in North Dakota a couple years ago going 75-85 most of the way. Great truck so far...
My son just traded off his 2000 Silverado Z71 with just over 300K miles on a brand new 2020 GMC SLE crew cab with all the bells and whistles and I think it is even nicer than my 2015.... slightly better gas mileage and a few options that weren't available on the earlier versions . Talk about a beautiful and comfortable truck to drive. We both like the GMC grilles a lot better this year than the Chev's...
The only thing I don't like about the Chev/GMC trucks is the low stance on the front end that gives them a bit of a rake. However, a $40 leveling kit for the front end and a couple hours to install and it looks much different now. Going to do my son's the same way in a week or two...
I have to say, the after sales service from Chev and GMC have been terrific. I can't imagine how they could possibly improve on the quality of the service I have gotten on the couple small items I've needed a look at and a couple minor recalls that came up. Pretty much in and out the same day and extremely helpful every time I've talked to them about anything...
To be honest, it would be hard to buy a bad truck these days IMO.... But I do think the Tundras are due for a bit of updating...
Bob
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The only thing I don't like about the Chev/GMC trucks is the low stance on the front end that gives them a bit of a rake. However, a $40 leveling kit for the front end and a couple hours to install and it looks much different now. Going to do my son's the same way in a week or two...
I added the 1 1/2" leveling kit on my shortbox, leaving about of inch of rake.
I bought a a 2019 Silverado LTZ last fall. Some things I love, others not so much. Gas mileage leaves something to be desired but still better than any Toyota I have heard about. The engine transmission combination has to be driven to be believed. Love the 5.3 with 8 speed.
I bought a new 2020 GMC Sierra Elevation 4x4 at the end of 2019. Looked at the Tundra and it did nothing for me - they are a dime a dozen around here. I've seen them start rusting after about 2-3 years in coastal Alaska.
It is a very sharp looking truck. As BK says, the 5.3 + 8 speed tranny is amazing. I checked the mileage computer. Over the first 3,000 miles it is averaging 17.7 MPG. Try that in a Tundra. The 3k miles includes a very snowy winter. Pretty much all of Jan & Feb were in 4WD mode and lots of warming the rig up.
It's got the BOSE sound system too. Oh yeah, I like to rock on my commute! While you can get a BOSE sound system on the Tundra, only the very high end models have them.
Bodies are the first thing to give out on trucks around here - right around 10 years. Dodges are the worst rust buckets.
Hope the OP can finally make a decision with all the uber advice given here . . . .
The market has long decided which pickup is best by determining the resale value. For five year depreciation, the top four are Tacoma (32%), Tundra, Ridgeline (ha!) and Frontier.
Guys bitching about gas mileage; it's a truck for kcufsakes, not a VW Jetta.
Ive seen a lot of guys post that before on a lot of different boards. But my question to you would be, at what point should we say enough is enough? What if you only got 1 mpg? 2 or 3?
If the mpg difference between one truck and the other isn’t that great but the performance was, I’d agree. But if the performance needed is similar, and one has substantially improved mileage, I’d say it is a reasonable consideration.
Edited to add that some people drive the schit out of their truck so the MPG cost adds up...
The market has long decided which pickup is best by determining the resale value. For five year depreciation, the top four are Tacoma (32%), Tundra, Ridgeline (ha!) and Frontier.
The market has long decided which pickup is best by determining the resale value. For five year depreciation, the top four are Tacoma (32%), Tundra, Ridgeline (ha!) and Frontier.
Just like guns, highest resale always determines what's "best". Custom guns are always the "worst" cuz you'll only get 50 cents on the dollar when it comes time to sell . . .
The market has long decided which pickup is best by determining the resale value. For five year depreciation, the top four are Tacoma (32%), Tundra, Ridgeline (ha!) and Frontier.
Just like guns, highest resale always determines what's "best". Custom guns are always the "worst" cuz you'll only get 50 cents on the dollar when it comes time to sell . . .
Don't buy new. Buy one a year or two old and get the depreciation value out of the way. Every vehicle on the road is a used vehicle and so will a new one be as soon as the tires hit the pavement outside the lot. At that moment you just lost 25% of the value. Haven't bought new in decades for this very reason. You can get used with full warranties and save the 25% which on the price of new trucks is significant.
That used to be true, but recent years, it's just not anymore.
Do some looking.
A pickup...say an F150 Supercrew 4x4... say 2 years old an 20k miles on it.
Price it.
Then after dealer/factory incentives, price a brand new one.
The used one will be within perhaps a couple or three thousand dollars. And have less, or no warranty.
Clean, used, low mileage pickups bring a premium. If you can find one... It won't be significantly less than a new one, in my experience.
Hit that on the head, best case scenario is to wait till Sept / Oct when the new ones are out and they discount last years to clean them out doing that got me 25.4% off list, instant equity.1 year old used trucks NADA FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN buy a 1 year old new one with full warrantee. MB
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Hit that on the head, best case scenario is to wait till Sept / Oct when the new ones are out and they discount last years to clean them out doing that got me 25.4% off list, instant equity.1 year old used trucks NADA FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN buy a 1 year old new one with full warrantee. MB
This. My last 4 Toyota's were all new purchases. Each time I shopped used first, but for basically the same price, I got into a brand new ride.
I bought my 2020 Tundra the day after a hail storm went through Ft Collins, Co. 2 slight dings on the roof (which no one will ever see) so they knocked $1,500 off. I got 60 month 0% APR deal and got another $1,500 rebate they were running at the time. We also negotiated in the 7 year, 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty for $499.
That truck was cheaper then _every single_ used Tundra they had on the lot.
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You despair, repeatedly, constantly! daily basis? A despair ninny. Sack up, despire ninny.
I know it's considered financially stupid to buy a new truck but my last three have been new. I just drive my current truck until about 8-10k in rebates come out and grab one for just a little more than a one year old vehicle would cost. For me, it's worth knowing exactly how the truck has been maintained from day one. But I've had friends who swear by getting one that's about two years old and have had excellent luck doing that.
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