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Should be pretty easy to mount a solid defense.
The problem will be finding 12 people in that state that don't have Down Syndrome. +1
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It would be interesting to see a picture of the dead mans heart.
He had not one, but two forms of heart disease.
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I posited that question earlier. What if the autopsy shows no signs of trauma or any issues with the neck/pressure and that drugs contributed to the death? Does anyone here know how much pressure the officer was exerting on the subject's neck.
Ask 700H and Kingston. They're both self described experts now. They think toxicology reports are not evidence and therefore not necessary to convict The report I just read above indicates no trauma, injuries to the neck.
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The guy went unconscious when in their control, they didn't render medical care when it happened, he ended up dead. It's negligent homicide.
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I keep hearing about how the medics put the deceased on a gurney and transported him. I have heard nothing about if and when the medics checked for a pulse. As an old medic I would like to see the video of this.
When medics arrive they should immediately check for pulse. If no pulse they need to start working the code right there on the street. Time to get the monitor on the guy and if need be defibrillate immediately. Plus get him on Oxygen, and perform endotracheal intubation etc. I have worked many codes right in the street just like that. If there was a hostile black crowd, you certainly had plenty of cops there to hold them at bay. We don't know how many minutes it was from the instant his heart stopped beating, until the medics began to work him, but if it was less than 4 minutes, the medics quite possibly could have saved his life right there on the street.
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There is a typo on that arrest warrant. In the fourth paragraph in the statement of probable cause they use the name Lloyd instead of Floyd twice. A sharp lawyer is going to make an issue out of that.
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The fact that the medical examiner speculated with the line about other intoxicants tells me that the examiner sees plenty of signs the perp was high AF and probably OD’ed. Claimed he was claustrophobic but they just pulled him from a car... guessing he saw the cops coming and knew he was going to be arrested for the counterfeit $20 and didn’t want to be caught with whatever he had on him so swallowed it. Couple minutes later he can’t breathe because his heart is quitting from the drugs and struggling with the police. I didn’t see any depraved mind on the part of the police. I just see three cops doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a resisting perp who was endangering himself and the police. They weren’t beating him or slamming him around. They pinned him down to immobilize him so he couldn’t hurt himself or anyone else.
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The guy went unconscious when in their control, they didn't render medical care when it happened, he ended up dead. It's negligent homicide. The ambulance was en-route. Not all departments/agencies require a cops to have a CPR cert.
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8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.
At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death. Bingo. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
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The fact that the medical examiner speculated with the line about other intoxicants tells me that the examiner sees plenty of signs the perp was high AF and probably OD’ed. Claimed he was claustrophobic but they just pulled him from a car... guessing he saw the cops coming and knew he was going to be arrested for the counterfeit $20 and didn’t want to be caught with whatever he had on him so swallowed it. Couple minutes later he can’t breathe because his heart is quitting from the drugs and struggling with the police. I didn’t see any depraved mind on the part of the police. I just see three cops doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a resisting perp who was endangering himself and the police. They weren’t beating him or slamming him around. They pinned him down to immobilize him so he couldn’t hurt himself or anyone else. lmao
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Should be pretty easy to mount a solid defense.
The problem will be finding 12 people in that state that don't have Down Syndrome. This is the only real danger for the officers.
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Should be pretty easy to mount a solid defense.
The problem will be finding 12 people in that state that don't have Down Syndrome. +1 After just that one paragraph of the autopsy, I don't see a clear path to conviction. Beyond a reasonable doubt is a high standard.
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I posited that question earlier. What if the autopsy shows no signs of trauma or any issues with the neck/pressure and that drugs contributed to the death? Does anyone here know how much pressure the officer was exerting on the subject's neck.
Ask 700H and Kingston. They're both self described experts now. They think toxicology reports are not evidence and therefore not necessary to convict The report I just read above indicates no trauma, injuries to the neck. It certainly can make murder difficult to stick.
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The Black community will not be amused by the autopsy.
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The Black community will not be amused by the autopsy. They will be really pissed off when all 4 are acquitted.
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The Black community will not be amused by the autopsy. They will be really pissed off when all 4 are acquitted. I guess we better prepare for them to be pissed!
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What is Minnesota law on causation? Is it "but for" or "substantial factor"/ Anyone know? The autopsy does not appear to bear out that cause of death had anything to do with the knee in the neck. Well, the optics are certainly horrible, but to prove murder don't you to prove that the defendant's act(s) caused the death? Since the arrestee had serious pre-existing medical conditions, what role did the acts of the officer play in his death and what is the legal rule in Minnesota on causation??
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I posited that question earlier. What if the autopsy shows no signs of trauma or any issues with the neck/pressure and that drugs contributed to the death? Does anyone here know how much pressure the officer was exerting on the subject's neck.
Ask 700H and Kingston. They're both self described experts now. They think toxicology reports are not evidence and therefore not necessary to convict The report I just read above indicates no trauma, injuries to the neck. It certainly can make murder difficult to stick. And that kneeling on a subject's neck upper back area is taught in police training noted by the Hennepin ADA charging attorney. Looking in the charging Doc
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The officers can certainly argue that they were immobilizing the perp to prevent him from hurting himself or others. They were protecting him. Medical transportation had already been called. They’re not medical professionals so not qualified to accurately diagnose and treat the perp. He died from unknown medical conditions and very likely drugs. It was chaotic in the street and were distracted by the hostile crowd gathered. There’s no way the charges can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to an objective jury. 12 retards on the other hand might convict a ham sandwich of murder.
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What is Minnesota law on causation? Is it "but for" or "substantial factor"/ Anyone know? The autopsy does not appear to bear out that cause of death had anything to do with the knee in the neck. Well, the optics are certainly horrible, but to prove murder don't you to prove that the defendant's act(s) caused the death? Since the arrestee had serious pre-existing medical conditions, what role did the acts of the officer play in his death and what is the legal rule in Minnesota on causation?? What role will the pending toxicology report have if it indicates use drugs that can lead to heart attacks especially those with pre existing heart conditions and high BP?
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