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So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying. He likely meant he was having difficulty breathing, or felt he wasn't getting enough oxygen.
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The OP obviously is ignorant of the sleeper hold. Kneeling on the carotid artery is murder, plain and simple. This... and done.... Can you go get your doll and point as to where the carotid arteries are located in the human body and please explain how putting a knee on the upper shoulder area compresses the carotid arteries? Can you even point out where the legs and mouth are located on your doll ? lol It has been decades since I got certified as an EMT. If the carotid is still where it was back then, it just doesn't compute that the carotid was affected. The MEs initial comments tend to support my thoughts.
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Racist cop?
Proof please. Proof...NOT unsupported prejudiced assumption.
As for the cause of death...let's wait for the autopsy and drug screening results. Death may be the result of something other than police actions.
If it really is a direct result of what the cops did, then they must be charged and prosecuted.
In other words, let's all be objective. Well and proper said Sir, always a rush to judgement by many. Cheers NC
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It was 2 hours and 20 minutes long, what specifically are you suggesting I missed?
The important parts. LOL This is an opportunity for us to discuss something that we both saw. Really.
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Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training? Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again? They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign. ........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"...... The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you..... Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death. Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen. ......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??.............. Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death. Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO.... .............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
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So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying. He likely meant he was having difficulty breathing, or felt he wasn't getting enough oxygen. Based on what you saw, what could cause oxygen deprivation?
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Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training? Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again? They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign. ........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"...... The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you..... Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death. Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen. ......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??.............. Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death. Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO.... .............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!....... I could go along with unreasonable force. Specifically how did that force kill Mr. Floyd?
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Is this from your exhaustive research on Facebook again?
Start by looking up the word evidence.
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The OP obviously is ignorant of the sleeper hold. Kneeling on the carotid artery is murder, plain and simple. This... and done.... Can you go get your doll and point as to where the carotid arteries are located in the human body and please explain how putting a knee on the upper shoulder area compresses the carotid arteries? Can you even point out where the legs and mouth are located on your doll ? lol Use your own doll, you are apparently more familiar with them than I ... and apply your brain to the image, come-on, we know you can do it....!
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An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee? Enough to make it appear as though he killed Mr. Floyd on camera. Where was the officer's right knee? How was the officer's weight distributed? It would seem that substantial force (enough to kill a large man) on the subject's neck would show up in an autopsy. Read what I wrote again.
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Based on what you saw, what could cause oxygen deprivation?
Same as when you choke someone out, constriction of blood flow to the brain.
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I am..........disturbed.
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Christ you guys... from the arrest warrant:
8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.
At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
But fugg it all. Let's just sit here and speculate about chit we don't know instead. Bull fugkng chit. Mr Floyd did not have on a mask. Therefore he got the ‘Rona virus. We know how deadly that is. It’s around 0.4%
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Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training? Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again? They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign. ........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"...... The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you..... Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death. Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen. ......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??.............. Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death. Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO.... .............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!....... STOP! making sense...just STOP it!
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Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training? Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again? They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign. ........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"...... The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you..... Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death. Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen. ......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??.............. Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death. Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO.... .............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!....... I could go along with unreasonable force. Specifically how did that force kill Mr. Floyd? ....................Well if you were handcuffed with your hands behind your back while laying on your stomach and if enough downward force was applied to your neck with a knee or leg for a few minutes, that just may kill you as well......
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Funny how they didnt get off him until the ambulance showed up for the second time, think, why where they waiting for the ambulance....?
Do they normally call for an ambulance to make arrest? FUG... NO... they put em in the car with the handcuffs on...
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[ quote=bigsqueeze] Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training? Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again? They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign. ........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"...... The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you..... Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death. Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen. ......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??.............. Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death. Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO.... .............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!....... [/quote] Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training. How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training? Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America?? How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
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So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying. He likely meant he was having difficulty breathing, or felt he wasn't getting enough oxygen. Based on what you saw, what could cause oxygen deprivation? If you go to your doctor and report that you “can’t breathe” what are the chances your doctor will bring in three cops to handcuff you face down and then sit on your back and neck for 10 minutes? What are the chances your doctor will call you a liar? What are the chances your doctor will initiate a semantic argument about how to best express the sensation of having difficulty breathing?
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And another LEO use of force arrest techniques internet expert clown chimes in lol Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training? Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again? They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign. ........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"...... The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you..... Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death. Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen. ......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??.............. Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death. Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO.... .............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!....... STOP! making sense...just STOP it!
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He likely meant he was having difficulty breathing, or felt he wasn't getting enough oxygen.
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