I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
I don't buy all the "stop resisting" bs from cops who just want to beat on a subject. That said, I've been in on a few goat rodeos like that and violent resistance DOES call for violent methods to counter.
Honestly I didn’t see anything on that video that is not normal restraining from a police officer with an unruly suspect. Cuffed, face down with a knee in the back or neck area. It’s not like they were throwing punches or beating him with batons? And the statements made that if you can talk you can breath is also the normal prognosis. Something else happened with this guy, either medically or pharmaceuticaly. But it really doesn’t matter at this point because if they don’t crucify the cop it will just get worse.
I learned on here that the carotid artery runs from your upper shoulders region up the back of your neck where the racist officer purposely placed his knee to kill the poor innocent perp. . Lots of wisdom on here
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
I missed the violent resistance part of the videos.
All I saw was some passive resistance in exiting the vehicle, looked like they sort of had to pull him out. After that all I saw was him running his mouth.
Then it appears that Floyd was cuffed right after they took him out of his car, so I'm not convinced he was doing any violent resistance.
By the time Chauvin arrived on the scene, Floyd was cuffed and going along with only a little bit of passive resistance.
It would seem to me that all they needed to do with him was put him in a back seat.
But admittedly, I only saw what the MSM wanted me to see.
People could debate what the exact perfect amount of force is under an infinite set of conditions. At the end of the day, he was in their custody, he went unconscious, they didn't notice, and they didn't render aid immediately. That was their mistake. The rest is speculation and opinion.
But admittedly, I only saw what the MSM wanted me to see.
Bingo.
It would be useful to release the bodycam footage of the officers involved. I can see where that is probably being held for now, at least until the investigation is over.
People could debate what the exact perfect amount of force is under an infinite set of conditions. At the end of the day, he was in their custody, he went unconscious, they didn't notice, and they didn't render aid immediately. That was their mistake. The rest is speculation and opinion.
People could debate what the exact perfect amount of force is under an infinite set of conditions. At the end of the day, he was in their custody, he went unconscious, they didn't notice, and they didn't render aid immediately. That was their mistake. The rest is speculation and opinion.
And the statements made that if you can talk you can breath is also the normal prognosis.
So when people in respiratory distress are still talking, and saying specifically that they are having trouble breathing, they’re really not...? Got it. And when they finally do quit breathing because they’re now in respiratory failure, they quit breathing due to some other reason because ‘they were talkin’ earlier’...? Got it.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
......................An autopsy will clarify cause of death, whether directly caused by the officer or caused by another under-lying pre-existing medical condition that flared up BECAUSE of the officer's actions.......Regardless. When a man's hands are behind his back and CUFFED and that man is laying face down on his stomach, that officer had NO justifiable reason to apply any downward pressure with his leg or knee into the neck for the purpose of controlling the suspect.....PERIOD!.....There are other ways and methods of control without applying pressure to the neck area when anyone is handcuffed, hands behind the back and laying on the ground face down.........Those 4 officers deserved to get fired and I hope that charges will be filed against them.
People could debate what the exact perfect amount of force is under an infinite set of conditions. At the end of the day, he was in their custody, he went unconscious, they didn't notice, and they didn't render aid immediately. That was their mistake. The rest is speculation and opinion.
I have been through quite a bit of police training. None of it established kneeling on someone's neck as a way of holding a cuffed person in place until EMTs arrived. If the officer believed the threat was so great as to warrant that response, you wouldn't think the officer would feel comfortable with his hands in his pockets.
There’s a video of the officers trying to put him in the cruiser and at the last moment he started to resist and the video cuts off. Floyd ended up pinned to the ground for good reason and the MSN is making sure you don’t see that.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
I don't think the officers wanted him to die, but he is dead, rather than sitting in a jail cell or out-on-bail.
It was a tragic incident, no matter what the intentions were.
I'm sure the cops are rolling the scenario back-and-forth in their minds, and wishing they had just promptly put him in the car after cuffing him.
So the police officers made no attempts to place Floyd into their cruiser now? Any proof of that?
The film.
The body cams? Do you have the entire film unedited from the time of the initial encounter ?
Nope, I don't have the entire film. What I've got is a dead, cuffed-body, and can't understand how four (4) cops couldn't find-a-way to get him poked into the back of a car before he died.
There’s a video of the officers trying to put him in the cruiser and at the last moment he started to resist and the video cuts off. Floyd ended up pinned to the ground for good reason and the MSN is making sure you don’t see that.
.........If he resisted getting into the police cruiser, then pinning him to the ground was justified. I will grant ya that one....However! After the man was flat on his stomach, hands behind his back and cuffed, there was absolutely NO justification for that officer to apply downward pressure to the vulnerable neck area with his leg or knee. And do so for 6 to 8 minutes?? That officer could have applied limited pressure to his upper back, to his lower or mid back area or to his butt to maintain control............What that officer did goes against proper training and proper protocol. And that comes from all of the LEOs that I know which happen to be 27 of them.
So Daveinjax.....You can try and justify the officer's actions all you want and sincerely believe he was justified all you want. If that is the case, then you sir are not familiar with LEO training guidelines and proper policy protocols.
I don't buy all the "stop resisting" bs from cops who just want to beat on a subject. That said, I've been in on a few goat rodeos like that and violent resistance DOES call for violent methods to counter.
You just said you viewed the film. Where's the entire unedited film you said you viewed?
Originally Posted by Old_Crab
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Old_Crab
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Old_Crab
I don't think the officers wanted him to die, but he is dead, rather than sitting in a jail cell or out-on-bail.
It was a tragic incident, no matter what the intentions were.
I'm sure the cops are rolling the scenario back-and-forth in their minds, and wishing they had just promptly put him in the car after cuffing him.
So the police officers made no attempts to place Floyd into their cruiser now? Any proof of that?
The film.
The body cams? Do you have the entire film unedited from the time of the initial encounter ?
Nope, I don't have the entire film. What I've got is a dead, cuffed-body, and can't understand how four (4) cops couldn't find-a-way to get him poked into the back of a car before he died.
People could debate what the exact perfect amount of force is under an infinite set of conditions. At the end of the day, he was in their custody, he went unconscious, they didn't notice, and they didn't render aid immediately. That was their mistake. The rest is speculation and opinion.
"They did not notice" is one hell of an assumption. I do not believe it. A more accurate assessment would be they deliberately ignored the fact that the perp had become unconscious and then dead.
I have never had to restrain a human. But I have restrained and assisted in the restraint of hundreds upon hundreds of large mammals ranging in size from 50 lb up to 1000 lbs. Not counting the tomcats nutted without benefit of anesthesia.
I guarandamtee when that 300 lb calf you are sitting upon quits struggling, you notice. And you better be doing something quick to make sure said calf starts breathing again. If not, you will be out of the cow business pretty quick.
That does not disturb me nearly as much as the other knee across the posterior thorax, and the toes barely touching the ground. As well as a second officer placing his weight across the abdominal region.
Lets lay four to six 50 lb bags of grain across your chest and stomach and see just how long you keep breathing.
We have an industrial stretch wrapping machine at work. It is used to place multiple layers of plastic wrap on completed pallets of cased goods, so they stay intact during transport.
One day some of the guys thought it would be funny to let a man stand beside the pallet and wrap him into it.
In less than a minute he was nearly unconscious when someone grabbed their pocket knife and cut him out.
People could debate what the exact perfect amount of force is under an infinite set of conditions. At the end of the day, he was in their custody, he went unconscious, they didn't notice, and they didn't render aid immediately. That was their mistake. The rest is speculation and opinion.
"They did not notice" is one hell of an assumption. I do not believe it. A more accurate assessment would be they deliberately ignored the fact that the perp had become unconscious and then dead.
All I am saying is that the minimum we can say for sure is negligence. The guy did in fact go unconscious in their custody. It is also true that they didn't change their behavior when it happened. It is also true that they did not render immediate aid to an unconscious man in their custody. Those are all true. Saying that the cop knew the man was unconscious and deliberately did nothing is assuming intent to kill. I am not willing to go there without proof. I am willing to say that they were negligent though.
I am seeing reports on yahoo news and you tube that the officer has been taken into custody??
Yep charged with murder.
I checked multiple sites looking for the exact charge/s but only saw that he’s been arrested and taken into custody. Do you have a link to show what they’ charging him with? If not no worries, I’ll find it eventually. 😂. Thanks
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
I missed the violent resistance part of the videos.
All I saw was some passive resistance in exiting the vehicle, looked like they sort of had to pull him out. After that all I saw was him running his mouth.
Then it appears that Floyd was cuffed right after they took him out of his car, so I'm not convinced he was doing any violent resistance.
By the time Chauvin arrived on the scene, Floyd was cuffed and going along with only a little bit of passive resistance.
It would seem to me that all they needed to do with him was put him in a back seat.
But admittedly, I only saw what the MSM wanted me to see.
This one shows him collapse before they get him in the car:
But it really doesn’t matter at this point because if they don’t crucify the cop it will just get worse.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^and dats da end a duh story, right wrong or indifferent.
In todays make-believe racist US of A, Black guy inherently good, (whether he really is or not is irrelevant), white cop inherently bad, if he does anything to Black guy.
Not taking any sides, just stating what the situation is.
videos spliced together and missing some video. You have an unedited complete video?
Originally Posted by Snyper
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
I missed the violent resistance part of the videos.
All I saw was some passive resistance in exiting the vehicle, looked like they sort of had to pull him out. After that all I saw was him running his mouth.
Then it appears that Floyd was cuffed right after they took him out of his car, so I'm not convinced he was doing any violent resistance.
By the time Chauvin arrived on the scene, Floyd was cuffed and going along with only a little bit of passive resistance.
It would seem to me that all they needed to do with him was put him in a back seat.
But admittedly, I only saw what the MSM wanted me to see.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
I missed the violent resistance part of the videos.
All I saw was some passive resistance in exiting the vehicle, looked like they sort of had to pull him out. After that all I saw was him running his mouth.
Then it appears that Floyd was cuffed right after they took him out of his car, so I'm not convinced he was doing any violent resistance.
By the time Chauvin arrived on the scene, Floyd was cuffed and going along with only a little bit of passive resistance.
It would seem to me that all they needed to do with him was put him in a back seat.
But admittedly, I only saw what the MSM wanted me to see.
If you’re paying attention you notice that that video cuts off with the perp on the curb side of the vehicle. In the video of him pinned he’s on the street side of the vehicle. What happened between the videos is what got the perp pinned to the ground.
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
Facts aint important. Hysteria and ignorance , fairy tales seems sure aren't in short supply here though lmao
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by Snyper
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
I missed the violent resistance part of the videos.
All I saw was some passive resistance in exiting the vehicle, looked like they sort of had to pull him out. After that all I saw was him running his mouth.
Then it appears that Floyd was cuffed right after they took him out of his car, so I'm not convinced he was doing any violent resistance.
By the time Chauvin arrived on the scene, Floyd was cuffed and going along with only a little bit of passive resistance.
It would seem to me that all they needed to do with him was put him in a back seat.
But admittedly, I only saw what the MSM wanted me to see.
If you’re paying attention you notice that that video cuts off with the perp on the curb side of the vehicle. In the video of him pinned he’s on the street side of the vehicle. What happened between the videos is what got the perp pinned to the ground.
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
So when people in respiratory distress are still talking, and saying specifically that they are having trouble breathing, they’re really not...? Got it. And when they finally do quit breathing because they’re now in respiratory failure, they quit breathing due to some other reason because ‘they were talkin’ earlier’...? Got it.
Ive actually seen people desperately gasping for air as they desperately uttered 'I can't breathe..!!!' and very soon after they were unconscious/dead.
But we got Djx, Sitka Deer, and the like who are magically able to acertain just from the vid. that Floyd could breathe just fine.
Checking out the video, looks like the dude was holding his face right down by the exhaust pipe.
If the vehicle was running perhaps that's why he couldn't breathe and what really killed him, breathing car exhaust for 7-8 minutes.?
It would be hard to asphyxiate someone with modern car exhaust outdoors. Modern vehicles just run too clean anymore. I saw a few of those early in my career, and none at all at the end in 2013.
And the statements made that if you can talk you can breath is also the normal prognosis.
So when people in respiratory distress are still talking, and saying specifically that they are having trouble breathing, they’re really not...? Got it. And when they finally do quit breathing because they’re now in respiratory failure, they quit breathing due to some other reason because ‘they were talkin’ earlier’...? Got it.
lol
Hell, anyone thats had a asthma attack knows you can't breath and talk. It takes all you have to talk when you are trying to focus on getting air in. I was in one of those stuff a VW deals in high school. I was near the bottom and couldn't breath after a minute. Luckily there was a teacher monitoring and was able to get some people off. It was really scary there for about 30 seconds.
So when people in respiratory distress are still talking, and saying specifically that they are having trouble breathing, they’re really not...? Got it. And when they finally do quit breathing because they’re now in respiratory failure, they quit breathing due to some other reason because ‘they were talkin’ earlier’...? Got it.
I’ve actually seen people desperately gasping for air as they desperately uttered 'I can't breathe..!!!'...and very soon after they were unconscious/dead. But we got Djx, Sitka Deer, and the like who are magically able to acertain just from the video that Floyd could breathe just fine.
Originally Posted by smarquez
Hell, anyone thats had a asthma attack knows you can't breath and talk. It takes all you have to talk when you are trying to focus on getting air in.
Evidently, there are others you can add to your list Starman.
Hell, anyone thats had a asthma attack knows you can't breath and talk...
Having personally spent many yrs around severe asthmatics, I know for a fact that they can utter brief words in the course of an attack.
And people who are having trouble breathing...from a variety of reasons...can talk and say that they’re having trouble breathing, ‘before’ their situation deteriorates to where, without intervention, they actually stop breathing.
8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.
At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
But fugg it all. Let's just sit here and speculate about chit we don't know instead.
Crump is representing the family...demands first degree murder charge ! Please do charge the officers with first degree murder. The third degree murder the officer is charged with isn’t substantiated much less first degree murder. Appeasement never works ! Minneapolis is going to burn regardless of the charge or the real cause of death. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and say toxicology is going to come back as overdosed on drug of choice.
Crump is representing the family...demands first degree murder charge ! Please do charge the officers with first degree murder. The third degree murder the officer is charged with isn’t substantiated much less first degree murder. Appeasement never works ! Minneapolis is going to burn regardless of the charge or the real cause of death. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and say toxicology is going to come back as overdosed on drug of choice.
No one that Ive known has ever died of a drug overdose. Must have been that officer kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery on his upper shoulders that killed him. Ask all of the internet detectives on here.
Crump is representing the family...demands first degree murder charge ! Please do charge the officers with first degree murder. The third degree murder the officer is charged with isn’t substantiated much less first degree murder. Appeasement never works ! Minneapolis is going to burn regardless of the charge or the real cause of death. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and say toxicology is going to come back as overdosed on drug of choice.
No one that Ive known has ever died of a drug overdose. Must have been that officer kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery on his upper shoulders that killed him. Ask all of the internet detectives on here.
I read the charging documents and he was definitely resisting and The whole claustrophobic bit is bs because they just pulled him out of a car. He’s falling down and resisting so they pin him to the ground completely immobilize him and wait for the ambulance to haul him off to the hospital for an evaluation. Just officers doing a routine job professionally and the guy happened to die from a whole history of poor choices right up to his death. If they’d let him continue to flop around and he had seriously injured himself they’d have been responsible for his injuries.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
Doesn't the officer have a legal duty to safeguard the health of the suspect in his custody? Once the guy started showing signs of medical extremis, you continue to kneel on his neck while doing nothing to address his medical crisis at your peril. That said, smells like manslaughter to me, not murder.
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
Doesn't the officer have a legal duty to safeguard the health of the suspect in his custody? Once the guy started showing signs of medical extremis, you continue to kneel on his neck while doing nothing to address his medical crisis at your peril. That said, smells like manslaughter to me, not murder.
It's standard practice for folks of his sort to protest that whatever measure the police are employing to keep them from escaping is killing them. Cop probably assumed this was the same deal as usual.
So an officer can never subdue and restrain a non compliant violent felon when arrested. They should just release them if they complain of pains? Sounds logical to me. About as logical as emptying all of prisons of violent rapists and muderers and child molesters so they don't get the covid virus.
How bad is the violent crime, drug gangs and murders and home invasions in Salmon Idaho?
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
Doesn't the officer have a legal duty to safeguard the health of the suspect in his custody? Once the guy started showing signs of medical extremis, you continue to kneel on his neck while doing nothing to address his medical crisis at your peril. That said, smells like manslaughter to me, not murder.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
Doesn't the officer have a legal duty to safeguard the health of the suspect in his custody? Once the guy started showing signs of medical extremis, you continue to kneel on his neck while doing nothing to address his medical crisis at your peril. That said, smells like manslaughter to me, not murder.
It's not a cop's job to evaluate your pre-existing medical conditions when you resist arrest.
Saying "I can't breathe" is proof that you can breathe. Anybody that's taken First Aid training knows this.
All of these circumstances and scenarios have been weighed by the courts tens of thousands of times. The DA knows this isn't going to be a conviction. It's just feel good bullschit.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
Doesn't the officer have a legal duty to safeguard the health of the suspect in his custody? Once the guy started showing signs of medical extremis, you continue to kneel on his neck while doing nothing to address his medical crisis at your peril. That said, smells like manslaughter to me, not murder.
It's not a cop's job to evaluate your pre-existing medical conditions when you resist arrest.
Saying "I can't breathe" is proof that you can breathe. Anybody that's taken First Aid training knows this.
All of these circumstances and scenarios have been weighed by the courts tens of thousands of times. The DA knows this isn't going to be a conviction. It's just feel good bullschit.
Soo I can keep going into Furniture Barn and light fires?
So, once subdued aren't they supposed to cuff them and throw them in the cruiser? Complicated chit.
So, didn't they realize they were on video? Murderous and phucqking dumb.
So where in the report did they not attempt to put him in the cruiser?
More clueless clowns chiming in again
Once in the cruiser, they dragged Floyd back out.
You know this, yet argue as if you don’t.
Why was he drug out of the cruiser genius? You seem to have a great deal of experience conducting internet homicide investigations. LOL Go check Face Book and post your results LMAO again
Lets get Kingston's legal take on this before we come to a conclusion
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
Doesn't the officer have a legal duty to safeguard the health of the suspect in his custody? Once the guy started showing signs of medical extremis, you continue to kneel on his neck while doing nothing to address his medical crisis at your peril. That said, smells like manslaughter to me, not murder.
It's not a cop's job to evaluate your pre-existing medical conditions when you resist arrest.
Saying "I can't breathe" is proof that you can breathe. Anybody that's taken First Aid training knows this.
All of these circumstances and scenarios have been weighed by the courts tens of thousands of times. The DA knows this isn't going to be a conviction. It's just feel good bullschit.
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
Crump is representing the family...demands first degree murder charge ! Please do charge the officers with first degree murder. The third degree murder the officer is charged with isn’t substantiated much less first degree murder. Appeasement never works ! Minneapolis is going to burn regardless of the charge or the real cause of death. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and say toxicology is going to come back as overdosed on drug of choice.
No one that Ive known has ever died of a drug overdose. Must have been that officer kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery on his upper shoulders that killed him. Ask all of the internet detectives on here.
I read the charging documents and he was definitely resisting and The whole claustrophobic bit is bs because they just pulled him out of a car. He’s falling down and resisting so they pin him to the ground completely immobilize him and wait for the ambulance to haul him off to the hospital for an evaluation. Just officers doing a routine job professionally and the guy happened to die from a whole history of poor choices right up to his death. If they’d let him continue to flop around and he had seriously injured himself they’d have been responsible for his injuries.
.............You just don't get it do ya? The officers were justified with pinning him to the ground. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further. He had been immobilized. That officer could have very easily applied pressure elsewhere on the backside of his body to keep him from "FLOPPING AROUND" as you say. Routine you say?................ Absolute BULLCRAP!......
So, once subdued aren't they supposed to cuff them and throw them in the cruiser? Complicated chit.
So, didn't they realize they were on video? Murderous and phucqking dumb.
So where in the report did they not attempt to put him in the cruiser?
More clueless clowns chiming in again
Once in the cruiser, they dragged Floyd back out.
You know this, yet argue as if you don’t.
Why was he drug out of the cruiser genius? You seem to have a great deal of experience conducting internet homicide investigations. LOL Go check Face Book and post your results LMAO again
This is taken from the arrest warrant, which you claim to have read.
“The defendant pulled Mr. Floyd out of the passenger side of the squad car at 8:19:38 p.m. and Mr. Floyd went to the ground face down and still handcuffed.“
It's not a cop's job to evaluate your pre-existing medical conditions when you resist arrest.
Saying "I can't breathe" is proof that you can breathe. Anybody that's taken First Aid training knows this.
All of these circumstances and scenarios have been weighed by the courts tens of thousands of times. The DA knows this isn't going to be a conviction. It's just feel good bullschit.
So, in your expert opinion, one can’t verbally report that they are having difficulty breathing, if they’re having difficulty breathing?
.............You just don't get it do ya? The officers were justified with pinning him to the ground. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further. He had been immobilized. That officer could have very easily applied pressure elsewhere on the backside of his body to keep him from "FLOPPING AROUND" as you say. Routine you say?................ Absolute BULLCRAP!......
Crump is representing the family...demands first degree murder charge ! Please do charge the officers with first degree murder. The third degree murder the officer is charged with isn’t substantiated much less first degree murder. Appeasement never works ! Minneapolis is going to burn regardless of the charge or the real cause of death. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and say toxicology is going to come back as overdosed on drug of choice.
No one that Ive known has ever died of a drug overdose. Must have been that officer kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery on his upper shoulders that killed him. Ask all of the internet detectives on here.
I read the charging documents and he was definitely resisting and The whole claustrophobic bit is bs because they just pulled him out of a car. He’s falling down and resisting so they pin him to the ground completely immobilize him and wait for the ambulance to haul him off to the hospital for an evaluation. Just officers doing a routine job professionally and the guy happened to die from a whole history of poor choices right up to his death. If they’d let him continue to flop around and he had seriously injured himself they’d have been responsible for his injuries.
............. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further.
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
Doesn't the officer have a legal duty to safeguard the health of the suspect in his custody? Once the guy started showing signs of medical extremis, you continue to kneel on his neck while doing nothing to address his medical crisis at your peril. That said, smells like manslaughter to me, not murder.
It's not a cop's job to evaluate your pre-existing medical conditions when you resist arrest.
Saying "I can't breathe" is proof that you can breathe. Anybody that's taken First Aid training knows this.
All of these circumstances and scenarios have been weighed by the courts tens of thousands of times. The DA knows this isn't going to be a conviction. It's just feel good bullschit.
No, but when evidence of a medical emergency manifests, you ignore it at your peril, especially when you are kneeling on the back of his neck and camera's are rolling. The officer has a duty to safeguard the health of his arrestee and kneeling on the back of his neck while he is possibly having a medical emergency is arguably a dereliction of that duty.
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
No, but when evidence of a medical emergency manifests, you ignore it at your peril, especially when you are kneeling on the back of his neck and camera's are rolling. The officer has a duty to safeguard the health of his arrestee and kneeling on the back of his neck while he is possibly having a medical emergency is arguably a dereliction of that duty.
Let me know when you're done pulling ideas out of your ass.
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
Enough to make it appear as though he killed Mr. Floyd on camera.
Where are officers trained to place their weight after restraining someone then?
Their ankles?
completely clueless. Maybe stick with the fake news that the officer was kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid arteries and choked him out like all of the other posters on here posted then disappeared. lol
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Crump is representing the family...demands first degree murder charge ! Please do charge the officers with first degree murder. The third degree murder the officer is charged with isn’t substantiated much less first degree murder. Appeasement never works ! Minneapolis is going to burn regardless of the charge or the real cause of death. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and say toxicology is going to come back as overdosed on drug of choice.
No one that Ive known has ever died of a drug overdose. Must have been that officer kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery on his upper shoulders that killed him. Ask all of the internet detectives on here.
I read the charging documents and he was definitely resisting and The whole claustrophobic bit is bs because they just pulled him out of a car. He’s falling down and resisting so they pin him to the ground completely immobilize him and wait for the ambulance to haul him off to the hospital for an evaluation. Just officers doing a routine job professionally and the guy happened to die from a whole history of poor choices right up to his death. If they’d let him continue to flop around and he had seriously injured himself they’d have been responsible for his injuries.
.............You just don't get it do ya? The officers were justified with pinning him to the ground. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further. He had been immobilized. That officer could have very easily applied pressure elsewhere on the backside of his body to keep him from "FLOPPING AROUND" as you say. Routine you say?................ Absolute BULLCRAP!......
.............You just don't get it do ya? The officers were justified with pinning him to the ground. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further. He had been immobilized. That officer could have very easily applied pressure elsewhere on the backside of his body to keep him from "FLOPPING AROUND" as you say. Routine you say?................ Absolute BULLCRAP!......
You guys need to stop.
You're making idiots of yourselves.
.........................Well that is your opinion!
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............You just don't get it do ya? The officers were justified with pinning him to the ground. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further. He had been immobilized. That officer could have very easily applied pressure elsewhere on the backside of his body to keep him from "FLOPPING AROUND" as you say. Routine you say?................ Absolute BULLCRAP!......
You guys need to stop.
You're making idiots of yourselves.
.........................Well that is your opinion!
.............You just don't get it do ya? The officers were justified with pinning him to the ground. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further. He had been immobilized. That officer could have very easily applied pressure elsewhere on the backside of his body to keep him from "FLOPPING AROUND" as you say. Routine you say?................ Absolute BULLCRAP!......
You guys need to stop.
You're making idiots of yourselves.
.........................Well that is your opinion!
It's not a cop's job to evaluate your pre-existing medical conditions when you resist arrest.
Saying "I can't breathe" is proof that you can breathe. Anybody that's taken First Aid training knows this.
All of these circumstances and scenarios have been weighed by the courts tens of thousands of times. The DA knows this isn't going to be a conviction. It's just feel good bullschit.
So, in your expert opinion, one can’t verbally report that they are having difficulty breathing, if they’re having difficulty breathing?
You can say the words "I'm having difficulty breathing" while you're breathing.
So when people in respiratory distress are still talking, and saying specifically that they are having trouble breathing, they’re really not...? Got it. And when they finally do quit breathing because they’re now in respiratory failure, they quit breathing due to some other reason because ‘they were talkin’ earlier’...? Got it.
Ive actually seen people desperately gasping for air as they desperately uttered 'I can't breathe..!!!' and very soon after they were unconscious/dead.
Pretty easy to kill someone with even minor pressure to both carotids. Yeah, you can still breath and talk until you pass out. When the brain stops getting oxygen, it gives you the sensation you can't breath which is what appears to be happening, right up to the point he passed out. The continual pressure after that just prolonged the brain injury from lack of oxygen. Will not be a difficult case to get a conviction.
You know, it's actually easy to make someone pass out just be checking for a pulse on both sides at the same time.
Crump is representing the family...demands first degree murder charge ! Please do charge the officers with first degree murder. The third degree murder the officer is charged with isn’t substantiated much less first degree murder. Appeasement never works ! Minneapolis is going to burn regardless of the charge or the real cause of death. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and say toxicology is going to come back as overdosed on drug of choice.
No one that Ive known has ever died of a drug overdose. Must have been that officer kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery on his upper shoulders that killed him. Ask all of the internet detectives on here.
I read the charging documents and he was definitely resisting and The whole claustrophobic bit is bs because they just pulled him out of a car. He’s falling down and resisting so they pin him to the ground completely immobilize him and wait for the ambulance to haul him off to the hospital for an evaluation. Just officers doing a routine job professionally and the guy happened to die from a whole history of poor choices right up to his death. If they’d let him continue to flop around and he had seriously injured himself they’d have been responsible for his injuries.
............. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further.
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
.........There is no possible way that any suspect can be of danger to others or to himself when laying flat on his stomach, hands behind his back and hand cuffed. And apparently there was enough pressure applied to the neck to kill him!!....Yes! Any officer has the duty to keep someone he thinks is a danger to himself and others immobilized......BUT NOT 6 to 8 minutes of downward pressure on the neck area, WHILE THE MAN is laying flat on his stomach, hands behind the back AND HANDCUFFED!!
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
If you had bothered to read the report you’d know the medical examiner found no evidence that the knee to the back of the neck caused any trauma or strangulation. They had to pull the perp out of the vehicle why ? Maybe because he was banging his head against the barrier ? Might want to pin his head down so he doesn’t continue to harm himself until medical transport arrives ? The knee to the neck is visually ugly but it was done properly and was not causing any harm.
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
Enough to make it appear as though he killed Mr. Floyd on camera.
I guess you had the TV on mute when you watched that documentary.
It's not a cop's job to evaluate your pre-existing medical conditions when you resist arrest.
Saying "I can't breathe" is proof that you can breathe. Anybody that's taken First Aid training knows this.
All of these circumstances and scenarios have been weighed by the courts tens of thousands of times. The DA knows this isn't going to be a conviction. It's just feel good bullschit.
So, in your expert opinion, one can’t verbally report that they are having difficulty breathing, if they’re having difficulty breathing?
You can say the words "I'm having difficulty breathing" while you're breathing.
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
........There is no possible way that any suspect can be of danger to others or to himself when laying flat on his stomach, hands behind his back and hand cuffed.
Pretty easy to kill someone with even minor pressure to both carotids. Yeah, you can still breath and talk until you pass out. When the brain stops getting oxygen, it gives you the sensation you can't breath which is what appears to be happening, right up to the point he passed out. The continual pressure after that just prolonged the brain injury from lack of oxygen. Will not be a difficult case to get a conviction.
You know, it's actually easy to make someone pass out just be checking for a pulse on both sides at the same time.
Kneeling on the carotid arteries again? Bother reading the reports?
Is this from your exhaustive research on Facebook again? lol
quote=kingston]
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by deflave
It's not a cop's job to evaluate your pre-existing medical conditions when you resist arrest.
Saying "I can't breathe" is proof that you can breathe. Anybody that's taken First Aid training knows this.
All of these circumstances and scenarios have been weighed by the courts tens of thousands of times. The DA knows this isn't going to be a conviction. It's just feel good bullschit.
So, in your expert opinion, one can’t verbally report that they are having difficulty breathing, if they’re having difficulty breathing?
You can say the words "I'm having difficulty breathing" while you're breathing.
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
Enough to make it appear as though he killed Mr. Floyd on camera.
I guess you had the TV on mute when you watched that documentary.
It was 2 hours and 20 minutes long, what specifically are you suggesting I missed?
.............You just don't get it do ya? The officers were justified with pinning him to the ground. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further. He had been immobilized. That officer could have very easily applied pressure elsewhere on the backside of his body to keep him from "FLOPPING AROUND" as you say. Routine you say?................ Absolute BULLCRAP!......
Is this from your exhaustive research on Facebook again? lol
Dumb fück, Darnella Frazier’s now famous video was originally posted on Facebook. You asked for a link to the original unedited video, that video is hosted by Facebook.
The OP obviously is ignorant of the sleeper hold. Kneeling on the carotid artery is murder, plain and simple.
This... and done....
Can you go get your doll and point as to where the carotid arteries are located in the human body and please explain how putting a knee on the upper shoulder area compresses the carotid arteries? Can you even point out where the legs and mouth are located on your doll ? lol
No, but when evidence of a medical emergency manifests, you ignore it at your peril, especially when you are kneeling on the back of his neck and camera's are rolling. The officer has a duty to safeguard the health of his arrestee and kneeling on the back of his neck while he is possibly having a medical emergency is arguably a dereliction of that duty.
Let me know when you're done pulling ideas out of your ass.
You want me to cite the case law on this issue? How about the expert opinion of Police Practices Expert Dr. Ron Martinelli (formerly on retainer to Jeff Sessions defending excessive use of force allegations against federal LEOs)?
Is this from your exhaustive research on Facebook again? lol
Dumb fück, Darnella Frazier’s now famous video was originally posted on Facebook. You asked for a link to the original unedited video, that video is hosted by Facebook.
When I want to do serious legal research I first check Darnella's social media.
There is no possible way that any suspect can be of danger to others or to himself when laying flat on his stomach, hands behind his back and hand cuffed. And apparently there was enough pressure applied to the neck to kill him!!....Yes! Any officer has the duty to keep someone he thinks is a danger to himself and others immobilized......BUT NOT 6 to 8 minutes of downward pressure on the neck area, WHILE THE MAN is laying flat on his stomach, hands behind the back AND HANDCUFFED!!
LMFAO. You're funny. If you don't weigh 400lbs and are in decent physical shape, it isn't hard
No, but when evidence of a medical emergency manifests, you ignore it at your peril, especially when you are kneeling on the back of his neck and camera's are rolling. The officer has a duty to safeguard the health of his arrestee and kneeling on the back of his neck while he is possibly having a medical emergency is arguably a dereliction of that duty.
Let me know when you're done pulling ideas out of your ass.
You want me to cite the case law on this issue? How about the expert opinion of Police Practices Expert Dr. Ron Martinelli (formerly on retainer to Jeff Sessions defending excessive use of force allegations against federal LEOs)?
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
Enough to make it appear as though he killed Mr. Floyd on camera.
Where was the officer's right knee? How was the officer's weight distributed? It would seem that substantial force (enough to kill a large man) on the subject's neck would show up in an autopsy.
I must be the only one that ain’t surprised couldn’t care less about his life, the cops lives, or the crap the animals burn down.
We just here to argue about it. I don't think anyone here cares much if a liberal chithole gets burnt down by its own citizens ('cept the innocent lives lost, and the ones doing the rioting, looting and burning are not innocent).
Crump is representing the family...demands first degree murder charge ! Please do charge the officers with first degree murder. The third degree murder the officer is charged with isn’t substantiated much less first degree murder. Appeasement never works ! Minneapolis is going to burn regardless of the charge or the real cause of death. I’m going to go way out on a limb here and say toxicology is going to come back as overdosed on drug of choice.
No one that Ive known has ever died of a drug overdose. Must have been that officer kneeling on gentle Floyd's carotid artery on his upper shoulders that killed him. Ask all of the internet detectives on here.
I read the charging documents and he was definitely resisting and The whole claustrophobic bit is bs because they just pulled him out of a car. He’s falling down and resisting so they pin him to the ground completely immobilize him and wait for the ambulance to haul him off to the hospital for an evaluation. Just officers doing a routine job professionally and the guy happened to die from a whole history of poor choices right up to his death. If they’d let him continue to flop around and he had seriously injured himself they’d have been responsible for his injuries.
............. But after he was ON the GROUND, laying on his stomach and CUFFED with hands BEHIND his BACK, THERE WAS NO NEED TO immobilize him any further.
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
........And apparently there was enough pressure applied to the neck to kill him!!. 6 to 8 minutes of downward pressure on the neck area,
Have you read the ME's initial comments? NO TRAUMA to the neck? Where was the officer's right knee? I have never met Flave. I would let him kneel with one knee in the center of my back and the other across my neck for 8 minutes, and I am kinda scrawny. The neck and the back are seriously strong structures.
The OP obviously is ignorant of the sleeper hold. Kneeling on the carotid artery is murder, plain and simple.
This... and done....
Can you go get your doll and point as to where the carotid arteries are located in the human body and please explain how putting a knee on the upper shoulder area compresses the carotid arteries? Can you even point out where the legs and mouth are located on your doll ? lol
It has been decades since I got certified as an EMT. If the carotid is still where it was back then, it just doesn't compute that the carotid was affected. The MEs initial comments tend to support my thoughts.
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
I could go along with unreasonable force. Specifically how did that force kill Mr. Floyd?
The OP obviously is ignorant of the sleeper hold. Kneeling on the carotid artery is murder, plain and simple.
This... and done....
Can you go get your doll and point as to where the carotid arteries are located in the human body and please explain how putting a knee on the upper shoulder area compresses the carotid arteries? Can you even point out where the legs and mouth are located on your doll ? lol
Use your own doll, you are apparently more familiar with them than I ... and apply your brain to the image, come-on, we know you can do it....!
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
Enough to make it appear as though he killed Mr. Floyd on camera.
Where was the officer's right knee? How was the officer's weight distributed? It would seem that substantial force (enough to kill a large man) on the subject's neck would show up in an autopsy.
8:25:31 the video appears to show Mr. Floyd ceasing to breathe or speak. Lane said, “want to roll him on his side.” Kueng checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, “I couldn’t find one.” None of the officers moved from their positions.
At 8:27:24, the defendant removed his knee from Mr. Floyd’s neck. An ambulance and emergency medical personnel arrived, the officers placed Mr. Floyd on a gurney, and the ambulance left the scene. Mr. Floyd was pronounced dead at Hennepin County Medical Center.
The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.
But fugg it all. Let's just sit here and speculate about chit we don't know instead.
Bull fugkng chit. Mr Floyd did not have on a mask. Therefore he got the ‘Rona virus. We know how deadly that is. It’s around 0.4%
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
I could go along with unreasonable force. Specifically how did that force kill Mr. Floyd?
....................Well if you were handcuffed with your hands behind your back while laying on your stomach and if enough downward force was applied to your neck with a knee or leg for a few minutes, that just may kill you as well......
Funny how they didnt get off him until the ambulance showed up for the second time, think, why where they waiting for the ambulance....? Do they normally call for an ambulance to make arrest? FUG... NO... they put em in the car with the handcuffs on...
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!....... [/quote]
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying.
He likely meant he was having difficulty breathing, or felt he wasn't getting enough oxygen.
Based on what you saw, what could cause oxygen deprivation?
If you go to your doctor and report that you “can’t breathe” what are the chances your doctor will bring in three cops to handcuff you face down and then sit on your back and neck for 10 minutes? What are the chances your doctor will call you a liar? What are the chances your doctor will initiate a semantic argument about how to best express the sensation of having difficulty breathing?
And another LEO use of force arrest techniques internet expert clown chimes in lol
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by ribka
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
Are you a Cop?[/quote]
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by ribka
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
Are you a Cop?
I am fairly familiar with court approved and lawful and justified arrest procedures and restraining techniques after 28 years
Probably start getting death threats now from all the clowns here now. Lol
Pinch your carotid arteries while you breath. Works, right? Thats because your esoph and blood vessels arent in the exact same place, and they have two different physiological roles.
OK. Now have someone else pinch both your carotid arteries for for you. Still breathing, right? OK, now have them do it for 4 more minutes.
No need to pick sides between 2 groups of [bleep]. The cop killed him, the others watched, and the rioters and race baiters suck.
according to the police report the perp died shortly AFTER admission to the hospital. It would seem the cops didn't kill the perp but that he died of some other issue.....possibly a drug overd0ose of Heroin.
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
Are you a Cop?
Originally Posted by kingston
Originally Posted by ribka
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
.. as to where the carotid arteries are located in the human body and please explain how putting a knee on the upper shoulder area compresses the carotid arteries?
His knee hold is high enough to be over part of his ear, and you assure us it's clear of the carotid artery?
Funny how they didnt get off him until the ambulance showed up for the second time, think, why where they waiting for the ambulance....? Do they normally call for an ambulance to make arrest? FUG... NO... they put em in the car with the handcuffs on...
I can think of some really good reasons to call for an ambulance and not let the guy move an inch until the ambulance arrived. He was hurting himself in the car. Possibly banging his head into the barrier ? Woman in the the video said his nose was bleeding. She’s saying his head was being pressed so hard his nose was bleeding. More likely he had been banging his head in the back of the car so they pulled Floyd out and pinned him on the ground until medical transport arrived.
according to the police report the perp died shortly AFTER admission to the hospital. It would seem the cops didn't kill the perp but that he died of some other issue.....possibly a drug overd0ose of Heroin.
What police report?
Please link.
According to the FD’s report Mr. Floyd was pulseless at the scene.
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
Enough to make it appear as though he killed Mr. Floyd on camera.
Where was the officer's right knee? How was the officer's weight distributed? It would seem that substantial force (enough to kill a large man) on the subject's neck would show up in an autopsy.
I’ve never seen a prisoner bang his head against a window of a police cruiser after being arrested in 28 years
Ok maybe about a 100 or more times now I think of it lol
And many attempts to kick out the windows
I go to Johnn for first hand LEO k nowledge
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by johnn
Funny how they didnt get off him until the ambulance showed up for the second time, think, why where they waiting for the ambulance....? Do they normally call for an ambulance to make arrest? FUG... NO... they put em in the car with the handcuffs on...
I can think of some really good reasons to call for an ambulance and not let the guy move an inch until the ambulance arrived. He was hurting himself in the car. Possibly banging his head into the barrier ? Woman in the the video said his nose was bleeding. She’s saying his head was being pressed so hard his nose was bleeding. More likely he had been banging his head in the back of the car so they pulled Floyd out and pinned him on the ground until medical transport arrived.
If you go to your doctor and report that you “can’t breathe” what are the chances your doctor will bring in three cops to handcuff you face down and then sit on your back and neck for 10 minutes? What are the chances your doctor will call you a liar? What are the chances your doctor will initiate a semantic argument about how to best express the sensation of having difficulty breathing?
An officer does have a duty to keep someone he thinks may be a danger to himself and others immobilized. Have you ever heard of someone in cuffs hurting themselves or others? How much pressure was the officer applying with his knee?
Enough to make it appear as though he killed Mr. Floyd on camera.
Where was the officer's right knee? How was the officer's weight distributed? It would seem that substantial force (enough to kill a large man) on the subject's neck would show up in an autopsy.
Read what I wrote again.
Appear? I like this and stick to the facts.
The complete disregard of appearances would be a mistake.
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying.
He likely meant he was having difficulty breathing, or felt he wasn't getting enough oxygen.
Based on what you saw, what could cause oxygen deprivation?
If you go to your doctor and report that you “can’t breathe” what are the chances your doctor will bring in three cops to handcuff you face down and then sit on your back and neck for 10 minutes? What are the chances your doctor will call you a liar? What are the chances your doctor will initiate a semantic argument about how to best express the sensation of having difficulty breathing?
I am not seeing a connection between my post and your comments. I'll allow that my migraine may be preventing me from detecting nuance.
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
.. as to where the carotid arteries are located in the human body and please explain how putting a knee on the upper shoulder area compresses the carotid arteries?
His knee hold is high enough to be over part of his ear, and you assure us it's clear of the carotid artery?
Lay on your belly. Locate your carotid. Explain how the officer's placement of his knee could have compromised the carotid? Now after doing the gymnastics to develop your response review the MEs comments and try again.
.. as to where the carotid arteries are located in the human body and please explain how putting a knee on the upper shoulder area compresses the carotid arteries?
His knee hold is high enough to be over part of his ear, and you assure us it's clear of the carotid artery?
Lay on your belly. Locate your carotid. Explain how the officer's placement of his knee could have compromised the carotid? Now after doing the gymnastics to develop your response review the MEs comments and try again.
He’s an idiot with an agenda. Wasting your time. He doesn’t know the difference between a carotid artery and a testicle
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying.
He likely meant he was having difficulty breathing, or felt he wasn't getting enough oxygen.
Based on what you saw, what could cause oxygen deprivation?
If you go to your doctor and report that you “can’t breathe” what are the chances your doctor will bring in three cops to handcuff you face down and then sit on your back and neck for 10 minutes? What are the chances your doctor will call you a liar? What are the chances your doctor will initiate a semantic argument about how to best express the sensation of having difficulty breathing?
I am not seeing a connection between my post and your comments. I'll allow that my migraine may be preventing me from detecting nuance.
The point is that uttering “I can’t breathe” is a perfectly acceptable way of expressing one’s experience of the sensation of difficulty breathing. Further, oxygen deprivation is not the only critical cause of a sensation of difficulty breathing.
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying.
He likely meant he was having difficulty breathing, or felt he wasn't getting enough oxygen.
Based on what you saw, what could cause oxygen deprivation?
If you go to your doctor and report that you “can’t breathe” what are the chances your doctor will bring in three cops to handcuff you face down and then sit on your back and neck for 10 minutes? What are the chances your doctor will call you a liar? What are the chances your doctor will initiate a semantic argument about how to best express the sensation of having difficulty breathing?
I am not seeing a connection between my post and your comments. I'll allow that my migraine may be preventing me from detecting nuance.
The point is that uttering “I can’t breathe” is a perfectly acceptable way of expressing one’s experience of the sensation of difficulty breathing. Further, oxygen deprivation is not the only critical cause of a sensation of difficulty breathing.[/quote]
Where did you get your medical training? Facebook or Instagram ?
He sure doesnt hide from jumping on almost every thread calling everyone else one does he.... He probably tells the guys at the gay bar he isnt gay either, but then he talks about fly fishing so they know the closet door is still closed.
He sure doesnt hide from jumping on almost every thread calling everyone else one does he.... He probably tells the guys at the gay bar he isnt gay either, but then he talks about fly fishing so they know the closet door is still closed.
The point is that uttering “I can’t breathe” is a perfectly acceptable way of expressing one’s experience of the sensation of difficulty breathing. Further, oxygen deprivation is not the only critical cause of a sensation of difficulty breathing.
Where did you get your medical training? Facebook or Instagram ?
The point is that uttering “I can’t breathe” is a perfectly acceptable way of expressing one’s experience of the sensation of difficulty breathing. Further, oxygen deprivation is not the only critical cause of a sensation of difficulty breathing.
Where did you get your medical training? Facebook or Instagram ?
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about. [/quote]........Let me do some explain 'n for ya there Ribby......I have 55 years experience in the field of martial arts. I and a partner owned two studios here in So Cal back from the late 70s and into the early 90s teaching thousands over that period of time.... I sold out my partnership in the early 90s and decided to teach privately one on one which I still do to this day. Over the years I have personally and individually taught several hundred LEOs (some whom I still maintain contact with) and have 18 of them currently on my list. One on one training is far more beneficial to a client than are studios with many in the class. It is more personalized because of individual training and attention that you do not get enough of from a class with many students. I am an expert at self defense and also an expert if necessary and if justified in killing someone. That is what I teach........You ask how many hours of law enforcement techniques have I participated in? And is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by LEO agencies? By the way, I also mentioned other areas besides the upper back......All of the info which I have passed along on this thread did NOT come from any personal LEO experience in the field nor from any courtroom proceedings or experience within a courtroom. Because ya see RIBBY, I am not a cop!! I do not need to be a cop. I do not need the field experience of a cop, nor do I need LEO experience in a court room under testimony........WHY? Well why do ya think?....Ya think maybe that I know a few LEOs? Ya think maybe that over that past few days I have had several hours of phone conversations with them about this case in Minnesota? Ya think that just maybe the info that they told me, I then could have passed along to this thread? Ya think?...................
After talking to someone you become an instant expert with no training or actual experience?? . Sounds almost as easy as becoming an internet expert like all the others on here but I’m super impressed.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by ribka
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Originally Posted by ribka
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
........Let me do some explain 'n for ya there Ribby......I have 55 years experience in the field of martial arts. I and a partner owned two studios here in So Cal back from the late 70s and into the early 90s teaching thousands over that period of time.... I sold out my partnership in the early 90s and decided to teach privately one on one which I still do to this day. Over the years I have personally and individually taught several hundred LEOs (some whom I still maintain contact with) and have 18 of them currently on my list. One on one training is far more beneficial to a client than are studios with many in the class. It is more personalized because of individual training and attention that you do not get enough of from a class with many students. I am an expert at self defense and also an expert if necessary and if justified in killing someone. That is what I teach........You ask how many hours of law enforcement techniques have I participated in? And is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by LEO agencies? By the way, I also mentioned other areas besides the upper back......All of the info which I have passed along on this thread did NOT come from any personal LEO experience in the field nor from any courtroom proceedings or experience within a courtroom. Because ya see RIBBY, I am not a cop!! I do not need to be a cop. I do not need the field experience of a cop, nor do I need LEO experience in a court room under testimony........WHY? Well why do ya think?....Ya think maybe that I know a few LEOs? Ya think maybe that over that past few days I have had several hours of phone conversations with them about this case in Minnesota? Ya think that just maybe the info that they told me, I then could have passed along to this thread? Ya think?................... [/quote]
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
The coroner's report will tell the story, except nobody seems to be able to wait for that before putting up opinion.
I don’t believe the officers killed the perp. I see three officers doing a reasonably professional job of restraining a violent perp until he can be transported to the hospital for evaluation. They pin the perp that way so perp can’t hurt themselves or the officers. The “I can’t breathe” means he can breathe fine. They had already called the ambulance to come get him and were obviously unaware he had died before the ambulance arrived. Probably called because he was suspected mentally ill and was violently resisting arrest. The officers only mistake was not paying close attention. In their defense they had no reason to suspect a guy who was just violently resisting was going to die in the ten minutes it took for the ambulance to arrive. Why are so many campfire members buying the race baiting narrative ?
The coroner's report will tell the story, except nobody seems to be able to wait for that before putting up opinion.
The coroner's report will most likely not tell the story. Unless there is something obvious, it will rule out some things but not point to a clear cause of death. Sometimes, you get clear evidence on the body, like strangulation marks, knife wounds, etc that tell a story. If he just died from lack of blood flow to the brain, that looks like any other death with no obvious cause. All the video, some I'm sure we haven't seen, witness reports, and the coroner's report will all tell a part of the story that the jury will try to make into the whole story. With a jury, anything is possible.
Mr. RibKA..................After talking with someone? I take it that you meant talking with just one person? How about after talking with MANY LEOs on the subject there Ribby .............Oh and by the way just to ask you sir if I may. Have you ever been or are you now a LEO? How many LEOs do you know?
Because it certainly seems to me, that as long as you are willing to question my experience in such matters, that you yourself DO have experience dealing with these issues and are therefore qualified to question my postings?............. Just askin!
Which detaining and or restraining procedures did the officer violate from his training?
Please be specific or just verbal diarrhea again?
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
Originally Posted by Daveinjax
They’re charging the cop and they don’t have the autopsy yet ? I’m going to bet that eventually the cops will be exonerated , get back pay , and a large settlement to resign.
........................Like I said in my other post... You are unfamiliar with LEO policies and police protocols. Does not matter IF the autopsy finds positive of whatever drug or drugs. The officers violated detainment procedure after he was already cuffed and on the ground....That is called,,,"unreasonable force"......
The officer was charged with one count of 3rd degree murder plus one count of manslaughter. Apparently all of those investigating this case and who watched the video including the Minneapolis DA and the federal authorities, all disagree with ya there Daveinjax not to mention many more who also disagree with you.....
Slice and dice this any way you wish and justify the officer's actions any way you wish....Bottom line? The officer violated procedure which directly lead to a death.
Officers were professionally immobilizing the perp so he couldn’t hurt himself or others until medical transport arrived. By pinning him to the ground and completely immobilizing him they’re protecting him. They’re not medical professionals so they don’t know how to properly diagnose and treat the perp. Hence the ambulance with medical professionals. Floyd was a heart attack waiting to happen.
......You are full of CRAP!... Professionally immobilizing him??? Ya mean professionally immobilizing him by putting pressure on his neck for 6 to 8 minutes dramatically reducing the blood flow to the brain?? Ya mean THAT KIND of PROFESSIONAL immobilization??..............
Yep! You are right. The officers are not medical professionals. HOWEVER and nevertheless, they are TRAINED LEOs who violated detainment procedure by using unreasonable force. You do NOT need to be a medical professional to know that when force is applied to the neck in certain ways for a period of time, it can cause death.
Those officers were trained on what to do,,, AND ALSO TRAINED ON WHAT NOT TO DO....
.............TWO words ribka......"unreasonable force".......Specifics? Unreasonable force in police lingo or procedure, is defined as using an un-needed technique or un-needed techniques (plural) to immobilize someone, who by all definition according to policy and procedure has already been immobilized.........That is not verbal diarrhea........If any suspect has been immobilized, which he certainly was by all standards of LEO training, then ya don't then come along and put a leg or a knee into the guy's VULNERABLE neck to then apply downward pressure for 6 to 8 minutes!! If the guy is still rolling around from side to side while cuffed with hands behind the back and laying flat on his stomach, then downward pressure could have easily been applied elsewhere on his back side on a far less vulnerable area!.......
Big squeeze. You seems to be an expert in LEO training.
How many hours of law enforcement arrest techniques have you participated in in your life and have you ever passed that training?
Is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by hundreds of LEO agencies now in America??
How many times have you appeared in court or a civil proceedings and testified to acceptable use of force techniques or just making a chit up again on a subject you obviously no nothing about.
........Let me do some explain 'n for ya there Ribby......I have 55 years experience in the field of martial arts. I and a partner owned two studios here in So Cal back from the late 70s and into the early 90s teaching thousands over that period of time.... I sold out my partnership in the early 90s and decided to teach privately one on one which I still do to this day. Over the years I have personally and individually taught several hundred LEOs (some whom I still maintain contact with) and have 18 of them currently on my list. One on one training is far more beneficial to a client than are studios with many in the class. It is more personalized because of individual training and attention that you do not get enough of from a class with many students. I am an expert at self defense and also an expert if necessary and if justified in killing someone. That is what I teach........You ask how many hours of law enforcement techniques have I participated in? And is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by LEO agencies? By the way, I also mentioned other areas besides the upper back......All of the info which I have passed along on this thread did NOT come from any personal LEO experience in the field nor from any courtroom proceedings or experience within a courtroom. Because ya see RIBBY, I am not a cop!! I do not need to be a cop. I do not need the field experience of a cop, nor do I need LEO experience in a court room under testimony........WHY? Well why do ya think?....Ya think maybe that I know a few LEOs? Ya think maybe that over that past few days I have had several hours of phone conversations with them about this case in Minnesota? Ya think that just maybe the info that they told me, I then could have passed along to this thread? Ya think?................... [/quote]
Have you considered that they might be trying to placate you so they didn't have to hear you talk?
I just had an epiphany....this battle between Flave and Kingston... It's a battle for the soul of the campfire. Maybe of the entire internet's. It's good vs evil, chocolate vs vanilla, the rest of the Beatles vs Lennon&Yoko, USA vs USSR (circa 1985), MC Shan vs KRS-one, Tiger King vs Carole Baskin (Flave being tiger king if only obiously).
The entire country can be easily divided into three groups, Mask, No Mask and fireballz.
]........Let me do some explain 'n for ya there Ribby......I have 55 years experience in the field of martial arts. I and a partner owned two studios here in So Cal back from the late 70s and into the early 90s teaching thousands over that period of time.... I sold out my partnership in the early 90s and decided to teach privately one on one which I still do to this day. Over the years I have personally and individually taught several hundred LEOs (some whom I still maintain contact with) and have 18 of them currently on my list. One on one training is far more beneficial to a client than are studios with many in the class. It is more personalized because of individual training and attention that you do not get enough of from a class with many students. I am an expert at self defense and also an expert if necessary and if justified in killing someone. That is what I teach........You ask how many hours of law enforcement techniques have I participated in? And is placing a knee on the upper back area taught by LEO agencies? By the way, I also mentioned other areas besides the upper back......All of the info which I have passed along on this thread did NOT come from any personal LEO experience in the field nor from any courtroom proceedings or experience within a courtroom. Because ya see RIBBY, I am not a cop!! I do not need to be a cop. I do not need the field experience of a cop, nor do I need LEO experience in a court room under testimony........WHY? Well why do ya think?....Ya think maybe that I know a few LEOs? Ya think maybe that over that past few days I have had several hours of phone conversations with them about this case in Minnesota? Ya think that just maybe the info that they told me, I then could have passed along to this thread? Ya think?...................
Where's them nephews, when ya need em?
Bet remsen would represent em for free, did they off this POS.
Who the [bleep] wastes "several hours over the last few days" Conversing with cop friends about dumbass Minnesotans doing what they do best, being stupid.
Who the [bleep] wastes "several hours over the last few days" Conversing with cop friends about dumbass Minnesotans doing what they do best, being stupid.
...............Hey! Ya make a good point!....However it is our time to waste!.........lol
I just had an epiphany....this battle between Flave and Kingston... It's a battle for the soul of the campfire. Maybe of the entire internet's. It's good vs evil, chocolate vs vanilla, the rest of the Beatles vs Lennon&Yoko, USA vs USSR (circa 1985), MC Shan vs KRS-one, Tiger King vs Carole Baskin (Flave being tiger king if only obiously).
The entire country can be easily divided into three groups, Mask, No Mask and fireballz.
Yep..... It can be seen in those ways for sure. I kinda see the "tiff"/ "angst" between em like this in ways.
LOL!!!
Or it could be exactly what you are saying . The ultimate struggle between them. Who will win????
I just had an epiphany....this battle between Flave and Kingston... It's a battle for the soul of the campfire. Maybe of the entire internet's. It's good vs evil, chocolate vs vanilla, the rest of the Beatles vs Lennon&Yoko, USA vs USSR (circa 1985), MC Shan vs KRS-one, Tiger King vs Carole Baskin (Flave being tiger king if only obiously).
The entire country can be easily divided into three groups, Mask, No Mask and fireballz.
[ Have you considered that they might be trying to placate you so they didn't have to hear you talk? [/quote].............No Paul. Did not think of that. However, I just might give that some consideration for the future......Hey! Maybe they were trying to placate me so that they wouldn't have to READ my posts? Kinda difficult to hear someone "talking" on this forum, would you not agree?
I just had an epiphany....this battle between Flave and Kingston... It's a battle for the soul of the campfire. Maybe of the entire internet's. It's good vs evil, chocolate vs vanilla, the rest of the Beatles vs Lennon&Yoko, USA vs USSR (circa 1985), MC Shan vs KRS-one, Tiger King vs Carole Baskin (Flave being tiger king if only obiously).
The entire country can be easily divided into three groups, Mask, No Mask and fireballz.
I learned on here that the carotid artery runs from your upper shoulders region up the back of your neck where the racist officer purposely placed his knee to kill the poor innocent perp. . Lots of wisdom on here
Cops should be taught the “Donkey Bite” technique. Grab or bite a sizable spot of soft skin, and hold tight.
I learned on here that the carotid artery runs from your upper shoulders region up the back of your neck where the racist officer purposely placed his knee to kill the poor innocent perp. . Lots of wisdom on here
Cops should be taught the “Donkey Bite” technique. Grab or bite a sizable spot of soft skin, and hold tight.
I learned on here that the carotid artery runs from your upper shoulders region up the back of your neck where the racist officer purposely placed his knee to kill the poor innocent perp. . Lots of wisdom on here
Actually, no................the carotid is on the front half of the neck, not that back part.
The LEO's knee was not directly on the carotid at all.....................as his neck was turned, though it may have been pressing the opposite side artery against the pavement. Just a supposition, though. Pretty doubtful that would be direct pressure on the artery though.
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying.
Probably just improper use of terms due to the temporary trama underway. I'm reasonably sure had he been able to get a few uninterrupted breathes of increased volume he would have explained the partial pressures of his blood level of O2 and CO2 were out of balance, making it impossible for proper gas exchange across the alveoli wall, thereby reducing available arterial O2. Without sufficient arterial O2 supply to the brain his speech, and actually his thought process leading to his statements, could have understandably been impaired.
His statements of "I can't breath!" being made between breaths made much more shallow with decreased volume due to his inability to overcome the weight of the officer on his thorax, and the probability of reduced airway area due to pressure exerted on his trachea were most likely technically incorrect while being functionally and clinically accurate.
(just a friendly point, but sometimes with your propensity for making brief bold statements suggesting your superior knowledge of a subject matter you actuall accomplish an affect opposite that desired )
I learned on here that the carotid artery runs from your upper shoulders region up the back of your neck where the racist officer purposely placed his knee to kill the poor innocent perp. . Lots of wisdom on here
Cops should be taught the “Donkey Bite” technique. Grab or bite a sizable spot of soft skin, and hold tight.
Compliance guaranteed.
😎😬
Your buddy Kingston is a fugk tard.
He is a pard...He can also be a PITA, like you can as well.
I learned on here that the carotid artery runs from your upper shoulders region up the back of your neck where the racist officer purposely placed his knee to kill the poor innocent perp. . Lots of wisdom on here
Ain't it? That cop murdered the guy. I never saw any resistance from Floyd. That's Bull sheist that they were just restraining him. Once the cuffs are on the fight is over. Get real!!! That cop murdered him. ''
What Ribka conveniently chooses not to see is the officer's knee directly below Floyd's ear and wedged in against the jaw bone where the carotid runs up.
What Ribka conveniently chooses not to see is the officer's knee directly below Floyd's ear and wedged in against the jaw bone where the carotid runs up.
Or his anatomical knowledge is screwed up.
Perhaps you can demonstrate this incredible knee-to-neck technique for putting a guy to sleep.
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying.
Probably just improper use of terms due to the temporary trama underway. I'm reasonably sure had he been able to get a few uninterrupted breathes of increased volume he would have explained the partial pressures of his blood level of O2 and CO2 were out of balance, making it impossible for proper gas exchange across the alveoli wall, thereby reducing available arterial O2. Without sufficient arterial O2 supply to the brain his speech, and actually his thought process leading to his statements, could have understandably been impaired.
His statements of "I can't breath!" being made between breaths made much more shallow with decreased volume due to his inability to overcome the weight of the officer on his thorax, and the probability of reduced airway area due to pressure exerted on his trachea were most likely technically incorrect while being functionally and clinically accurate.
(just a friendly point, but sometimes with your propensity for making brief bold statements suggesting your superior knowledge of a subject matter you actuall accomplish an affect opposite that desired )
Some havent made the connection that with severe airway restriction one may be able to force out enough air to say something while not having the same mechanism to force air back into the lungs.
So, you don’t recognize a distinction between not breathing and difficulty breathing.
This is asinine.
If a person says "I can't breathe" they are lying.
Probably just improper use of terms due to the temporary trama underway. I'm reasonably sure had he been able to get a few uninterrupted breathes of increased volume he would have explained the partial pressures of his blood level of O2 and CO2 were out of balance, making it impossible for proper gas exchange across the alveoli wall, thereby reducing available arterial O2. Without sufficient arterial O2 supply to the brain his speech, and actually his thought process leading to his statements, could have understandably been impaired.
His statements of "I can't breath!" being made between breaths made much more shallow with decreased volume due to his inability to overcome the weight of the officer on his thorax, and the probability of reduced airway area due to pressure exerted on his trachea were most likely technically incorrect while being functionally and clinically accurate.
(just a friendly point, but sometimes with your propensity for making brief bold statements suggesting your superior knowledge of a subject matter you actuall accomplish an affect opposite that desired )
Some havent made the connection that with severe airway restriction one may be able to force out enough air to say something while not having the same mechanism to force air back into the lungs.
And some can't make the connection that whenever you have to slam a guy to the ground and get control of him, he says "I can't breathe."
And every time you spray somebody with OC, slam them to the ground, cuff them, and sit them on a curb, they tell you "I can't breathe."
Have any of you been to bootcamp? Remember all the guys that have trouble donning and clearing? What did every one of them say?
If watching your streets being policed is a bit too much for you, congratulations. They stopped doing it in Minneapolis.
Don't know what the cause of death is officially, videos of the event do not put the LEO's in a favorable light as so often is the case when someone has to be subdued. What we do know is that the event gave blm and antifa an excuse to riot and burn. And that by the way Minnesota officials failed to stop that, we will see more of it. By failing to back their law enforcement with permission to use deadly force to quell the rioting and looting they have set themselves up for more. I don't really understand how the people (yuk,yuk) in power and giving the orders to law enforcement can expect to retain any of their good officers . That's probably why they have to retain people like Chauvin. 3 swat type officers on top the 3rd precinct bldg with red dot scoped AR's could have stopped all the bullshit rioting rfn. Rioting and violent protesting is the not the way to bring positive change it just widens the difference in people.So Minnesota will reap what they have sowen with their libtard politics.
I learned on here that the carotid artery runs from your upper shoulders region up the back of your neck where the racist officer purposely placed his knee to kill the poor innocent perp. . Lots of wisdom on here
Ain't it? That cop murdered the guy. I never saw any resistance from Floyd. That's Bull sheist that they were just restraining him. Once the cuffs are on the fight is over. Get real!!! That cop murdered him. ''
Well, at what point after your co-worker tells you there's no pulse do you remove the knee? One minute? How about two? Two and a half? Double tap, make damned sure he ded. They should turn the prick loose on the street let the heathens have him.
If being over weight and out of shape while being arrested caused the death most fire members best hope they never get detained.
It’s the resisting arrest part you left out. He could have peacefully got into the vehicle and gone off the the county jail for processing and been out in a couple of hours. Best guess is the charge for the counterfeit $20 would have been dropped unless there was something more found in the investigation. But that’s not what Floyd chose. Floyd chose to fight getting into the car. Floyd had a bad heart , clogged arteries , and high blood pressure. Floyd chose to overload his cardio vascular system and he’s now dead. Just the last in a long string of poor decisions.
Well, at what point after your co-worker tells you there's no pulse do you remove the knee? One minute? How about two? Two and a half?
Where is Ribka on this? we need his expert knowledge about where LE are trained to sustain their hard knee in a non-compliant guy... with No pulse.
a LEO of 20 yrs who trained people at HTC (which is Accredited by the Minnesota Board of Peace Officer Standards and Training)... explained what they are supposed to do ... but Ribka laughed it off/dismissed it.
Well, at what point after your co-worker tells you there's no pulse do you remove the knee? One minute? How about two? Two and a half?
Where is Ribka on this? we need his expert knowledge about where LE are trained to sustain their hard knee in a non-compliant guy... with No pulse.
a LEO of 20 yrs who trained people at HTC (which is Accredited by the Minnesota Board of Peace Officer Standards and Training)... explained what they are supposed to do ... but Ribka laughed it off/dismissed it.
I once seen a video of a cop that shot somebody, and then handcuffed them.
Well, at what point after your co-worker tells you there's no pulse do you remove the knee? One minute? How about two? Two and a half? Double tap, make damned sure he ded. They should turn the prick loose on the street let the heathens have him.
When was Chauvin told that Gentle George had no pulse?
Well in SD it means you shot a cop and they shot you and cuffed you so that you can't do anything to stop your own death by blood loss. Don't know how it works anywhere else but that is the way around RC, SD.
The possibility that a shot bad guy could recover enough, or was faking being shot, thus able re-engage police with a weapon he either fell upon when shot, or is hiding on his person, dictated the need to cover the bad guy with a weapon until cuffed and frisked while on the ground.
Officer and citizens safety being the reason....But, you already know this. 😎
Stardum-- What s a hard knee as opposed to a soft knee? Cops should be trained to only use their soft knees and elbows lmao
. Fuggin returd
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Well, at what point after your co-worker tells you there's no pulse do you remove the knee? One minute? How about two? Two and a half?
Where is Ribka on this? we need his expert knowledge about where LE are trained to sustain their hard knee in a non-compliant guy... with No pulse.
a LEO of 20 yrs who trained people at HTC (which is Accredited by the Minnesota Board of Peace Officer Standards and Training)... explained what they are supposed to do ... but Ribka laughed it off/dismissed it.
I once seen a video of a cop that shot somebody, and then handcuffed them.
The possibility that a shot bad guy could recover enough, or was faking being shot, thus able re-engage police with a weapon he either fell upon when shot, or is hiding on his person, dictated the need to cover the bad guy with a weapon until cuffed and frisked while on the ground.
Officer and citizens safety being the reason....But, you already know this. 😎
Well in SD it means you shot a cop and they shot you and cuffed you so that you can't do anything to stop your own death by blood loss. Don't know how it works anywhere else but that is the way around RC, SD.
So this only happens after somebody shoots a cop in South Dakota?
Too bad firebalz wasn't there for the arrest. He could have taken out the bad guy with a filipino karate chop unlike the cowardly murdering police officers ( if his mail order bride would only let him).
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Beaver10
The possibility that a shot bad guy could recover enough, or was faking being shot, thus able re-engage police with a weapon he either fell upon when shot, or is hiding on his person, dictated the need to cover the bad guy with a weapon until cuffed and frisked while on the ground.
Officer and citizens safety being the reason....But, you already know this. 😎
Well, at what point after your co-worker tells you there's no pulse do you remove the knee? One minute? How about two? Two and a half? Double tap, make damned sure he ded. They should turn the prick loose on the street let the heathens have him.
When was Chauvin told that Gentle George had no pulse?
It’s election season and the progressive fascists need something to make blacks angry so they will vote. This is the reason the news media and progressive fascist politicians are fomenting hatred among blacks. They will never report the truth, that the police didn’t kill Floyd. They learn from Obama that they can lie their way into power by motivating blacks to vote.
What happened is that Floyd was refusing to enter the patrol car. The cops tried to force him for a while until they gave up and decided to pin him to the ground and wait until he was tired of resisting or the ambulance arrived.
The preliminary autopsy was released and it stated that Floyd’s death wasn’t caused by the knee on his neck or anything else the cops did. The probable cause of death was his serious heath problems and drugs that Floyd took.
Floyd’s death was similar to that of Eric Garner and not the fault of the cops.
What happened is that Floyd was refusing to enter the patrol car. The cops tried to force him for a while until they gave up and decided to pin him to the ground and wait until he was tired of resisting or the ambulance arrived.
The preliminary autopsy was released and it stated that Floyd’s death wasn’t caused by the knee on his neck or anything else the cops did. The probable cause of death was his serious heath problems and drugs that Floyd took.
Floyd’s death was similar to that of Eric Garner and not the fault of the cops.
Incorrect . Fireballz, 700h, Johnn et al all stated that the cop murdered Floyd by strangulation and pre meditation and Obama is very proud of them for believing so .
Without useful idiots like the above listed members Obama would never be influential.
Well, at what point after your co-worker tells you there's no pulse do you remove the knee? One minute? How about two? Two and a half? Double tap, make damned sure he ded. They should turn the prick loose on the street let the heathens have him.
When was Chauvin told that Gentle George had no pulse?
If being over weight and out of shape while being arrested caused the death most fire members best hope they never get detained.
It’s the resisting arrest part you left out. He could have peacefully got into the vehicle and gone off the the county jail for processing and been out in a couple of hours. Best guess is the charge for the counterfeit $20 would have been dropped unless there was something more found in the investigation. But that’s not what Floyd chose. Floyd chose to fight getting into the car. Floyd had a bad heart , clogged arteries , and high blood pressure. Floyd chose to overload his cardio vascular system and he’s now dead. Just the last in a long string of poor decisions.
Like kneeling on a carotid artery for 8+ minutes? Pathetic excuses from a typical LEO
If being over weight and out of shape while being arrested caused the death most fire members best hope they never get detained.
It’s the resisting arrest part you left out. He could have peacefully got into the vehicle and gone off the the county jail for processing and been out in a couple of hours. Best guess is the charge for the counterfeit $20 would have been dropped unless there was something more found in the investigation. But that’s not what Floyd chose. Floyd chose to fight getting into the car. Floyd had a bad heart , clogged arteries , and high blood pressure. Floyd chose to overload his cardio vascular system and he’s now dead. Just the last in a long string of poor decisions.
Like kneeling on a carotid artery for 8+ minutes? Pathetic excuses from a typical LEO
Carotid artery seems to be as popular as exponential was last month.
If being over weight and out of shape while being arrested caused the death most fire members best hope they never get detained.
It’s the resisting arrest part you left out. He could have peacefully got into the vehicle and gone off the the county jail for processing and been out in a couple of hours. Best guess is the charge for the counterfeit $20 would have been dropped unless there was something more found in the investigation. But that’s not what Floyd chose. Floyd chose to fight getting into the car. Floyd had a bad heart , clogged arteries , and high blood pressure. Floyd chose to overload his cardio vascular system and he’s now dead. Just the last in a long string of poor decisions.
Like kneeling on a carotid artery for 8+ minutes? Pathetic excuses from a typical LEO
Carotid artery seems to be as popular as exponential was last month.
Too bad firebalz wasn't there for the arrest. He could have taken out the bad guy with a filipino karate chop unlike the cowardly murdering police officers ( if his mail order bride would only let him).
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by Beaver10
The possibility that a shot bad guy could recover enough, or was faking being shot, thus able re-engage police with a weapon he either fell upon when shot, or is hiding on his person, dictated the need to cover the bad guy with a weapon until cuffed and frisked while on the ground.
Officer and citizens safety being the reason....But, you already know this. 😎
But, the guy is bleeding out.
Why don't they stop what they were doing?
Why are they handcuffing him?
Please, Starfish, Duck, Fireballz... Anybody.
Please explain this madness?
Not trying to split hairs, but I think Consuela came in by FedEx.
While were all armchair QB'ing, my pick is on 6 codeine fruit punches, bad diet and badassery outweighing some cellulite...
ill guess cocaine, mj, alcohol and codeine in his system at arrest. And Ill guess the cocaine use caused the heart and BP problems along with diet and lifestyle.
While were all armchair QB'ing, my pick is on 6 codeine fruit punches, bad diet and badassery outweighing some cellulite...
ill guess cocaine, mj, alcohol and codeine in his system at arrest. And Ill guess the cocaine use caused the heart and BP problems along with diet and lifestyle.
Coke, he'd a tried ta talk his way outta (meaning into) jail.
PCP explains the claimed fear of the cruiser backseat, lack of reaction to what hadda be pain, and the 'tude.
Maybe we should have a pharmacological lottery.
Pcp is very popular in DC.
That guy wasnt obviously high on PCP. He was coherent, talking normal, not sweating, and dropped really quickly when the cop yanked on him.
PCP makes you see things worse than LSD. Your core temperature gets dangerously high which is the reason most people strip down and they sweat profusely. It also numbs pain receptors which make people seem super strong as they cant feel when they are over stressing their muscles and joints.
If he had pcp in his system, it would be a small trace amount.... he wasnt high on pcp.
Cities aren't burning because these archaic tactics are a good idea. End qualified immunity to stop it before you have to stack bodies in your front yard. That's assuming you could afford the taxes to pay for the chit show that is modern American policing, which you can't.
And way too many cops who train or are trained in these tactics are calling them out on it to defend it anyway.
Cities aren't burning because these archaic tactics are a good idea. End qualified immunity to stop it before you have to stack bodies in your front yard. That's assuming you could afford the taxes to pay for the chit show that is modern American policing, which you can't.
And way too many cops who train or are trained in these tactics are calling them out on it to defend it anyway.
While were all armchair QB'ing, my pick is on 6 codeine fruit punches, bad diet and badassery outweighing some cellulite...
ill guess cocaine, mj, alcohol and codeine in his system at arrest. And Ill guess the cocaine use caused the heart and BP problems along with diet and lifestyle.
Close ! Meth and fenanyl. Again , cops didn’t kill the perp.
While were all armchair QB'ing, my pick is on 6 codeine fruit punches, bad diet and badassery outweighing some cellulite...
ill guess cocaine, mj, alcohol and codeine in his system at arrest. And Ill guess the cocaine use caused the heart and BP problems along with diet and lifestyle.
Close ! Meth and fenanyl. Again , cops didn’t kill the perp.
While were all armchair QB'ing, my pick is on 6 codeine fruit punches, bad diet and badassery outweighing some cellulite...
ill guess cocaine, mj, alcohol and codeine in his system at arrest. And Ill guess the cocaine use caused the heart and BP problems along with diet and lifestyle.
Close ! Meth and fenanyl. Again , cops didn’t kill the perp.
So he OD’d, all by unfortunate chance while being pinned down with a knee on his neck? Rock on....
The officers only mistake was not paying close attention.
I agree with what you wrote but when you're putting your weight on a guys neck with your knee is no time to stop paying attention. What would happen if an officer left his gun sitting in the street and a kid picked it up and shot somebody? Would it be ok because the officer didn't intend for anyone to get shot? Of course not and that's not a racial position, that's just common sense.
The point is that uttering “I can’t breathe” is a perfectly acceptable way of expressing one’s experience of the sensation of difficulty breathing. Further, oxygen deprivation is not the only critical cause of a sensation of difficulty breathing.
Where did you get your medical training? Facebook or Instagram ?
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