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Originally Posted by sdgunslinger
not well remembered , but a number German americans were rounded up and placed in camps during WW2

From a quick search, yes there were some German Americans and registered aliens interned in camps. The numbers I was able to locate indicate about 10% of the number of Japanese, 60% of whom were American citizens.

And without further delving into minutia, it would be likely that the percentage of the Japanese population in America at the time, that was gathered up, is a lot higher than the population of Americans of German descent, given that 'German' folks have been coming to this country before it was a country.

But, my real point is the wholesale gathering up of American citizens, and even registered aliens, who have not committed a crime, is wrong. Patently wrong.

Perhaps we should just gather up ALL the protesters, even the peaceful ones, move them to a camp in SD, and sort them out at a later date?


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
...the wholesale gathering up of American citizens, and even registered aliens, who have not committed a crime, is wrong. Patently wrong.
Agreed.

The Japanese internment camps established during World War II by President Roosevelt through his Executive Order 9066...from 1942 to 1945...was the policy of the U.S. government that people (American citizens) of Japanese descent would be interred in isolated camps. Enacted in reaction to Pearl Harbor and the ensuing war, *the Japanese internment camps are now considered one of the most atrocious violations of American civil rights in the 20th century*.

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... it was criminal to jail US citizens guilty of absolutely nothing.
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you have to admit that ul's post was a little dramatic.....respected member?......someone thinks a little to much of themselves ....bob


I took it as an older member who's been around a while and has enough time here to comment on it. UtahLefty ain't a dramatic look at me type like...


In fairness to UtahLefty he frequented this forum when racial slurs were not allowed and you could be banned for using them.

Rick has lightened up on moderating since that time. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is a double-edged sword.


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Originally Posted by akasparky
I think it's mild today if one honestly looks back on our history.

We had the Indian thing going on, killin' off the Buffalo to starve them if we couldn't just gun them down.

Most of that hinged on getting a railroad build .....by the Chinese we treated so swell.

Can't forget how swell those southern boys were with their slaves, if we still owned slaves today and ya had to shoot a bunch of them to calm them down we'd probably get stimulus money for our loses..

The KKK days and the big city mobs were a real hoot...

Same folks, same schit, just a different day and everyone a little more chill.




I have not seen sparky so upset since the Republicans freed the slaves and defeated the Democrat Party KKK terrrorists

Cheered the sight of the U.S military firing on unarmed U.S citizens , on church property no less,


When did the national guard shoot Americans in churches this past week? ow many were killed?

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Originally Posted by HitnRun
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the internment of japanese-americans after Peral Harbor or did I imagine that?


As wrong as you might think it is now, it wasn’t wrong then. Don’t go getting all squishy-soft and think we shouldn’t have bombed those Japs either.


No, it was criminal to jail US citizens guilty of absolutely nothing. If such was necessary as a defense measure, then why did EO 9066 apply only to residents of Oregon, Washington, and California? Why were the greatest concentration of Japanes within American lands (in Hawaii) not included?

The only justification for internment of Japanese/Americans would be for their own protection. But the real answer is that it was politically expedient. There was no justification fo stealing their properties.

The Feds did not wish to deal with trials and prosecution of Anglo/Americans for the inevitable assaults and murders of Japanese/Americans as the war drug on. Such prosecutions would not have fit well with Propaganda Campaigns used to boost enlistment.

According to people who lived through it, the propaganda was anti-Jap, no mention was made of the number going to the European theater.


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Originally Posted by HitnRun
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the internment of japanese-americans after Peral Harbor or did I imagine that?


As wrong as you might think it is now, it wasn’t wrong then. Don’t go getting all squishy-soft and think we shouldn’t have bombed those Japs either.


Oh please. My point is, I have no issues , especially with the big mushrooms..


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there was also a severe backlash against Germans in this country.

There is an area in Cincinnati called Over the Rhine. Prior to WWII it was full of German beer halls, restaurants, many street names in German. The backlash against Germans during WWII wiped that area out. The beer halls gone, streets renamed, violence against them as they tried to live their lives as German Americans.

I won't go as far as to say they had it as bad as the Japanese, but German Americans during this time paid a heavy price - and this was in a country that had as many German immigrants as any other type.

It wasn't all bad - many German POWs that came here to work didn't want to leave. Being a POW in this country was better than being a returning citizen to Germany.

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Ever.


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The amazing thing to me, is that as badly as the Japanese Americans were treated, being confined in poverty conditions. And to be honest, many Americans lived in similar poverty conditions in 1942.

But still, after being rounded up, locked into confinement with armed guards, and their properties and cash accounts seized. Still, many young Japanese/American men were patriotic enough to join American Armed Services.

I do not know that I could have been so forgiving.


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Originally Posted by HitnRun
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the internment of japanese-americans after Peral Harbor or did I imagine that?


As wrong as you might think it is now, it wasn’t wrong then. Don’t go getting all squishy-soft and think we shouldn’t have bombed those Japs either.



Nah, it was wrong then.

We were fighting the Germans and the Italians shortly after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor too.

There weren't wholesale gatherings of my ancestors that arrived in the US from Alsace and Italy.

Concentration camps for Americans, whatever flavor they may be is anathema to this American of foreign ancestry. 2nd generation if you must know.

What next, when a situation occurs in which the people in power are afraid of a certain group. A camp for Members of this forum???


You need to brush up on your history. It was no more a concentration camp than all slaves were shipped and chained. The Japanese were moved from the coastal areas to secure the coast from any unknown threat from the Japs. It is wasn’t Wong then.


Forgive me, "Internment camp", if you prefer.

But gathering a bunch of folks (citizens in most cases) , against their will, and "concentrating" them against their will, in "barracks" type situations, under conditions they would likely have preferred not to live under, might give one the impression they were placed in "concentration" camps.

Of the interviews I've seen, not a one of those interned said they would like to remain there. Considering many (citizens) lost homes and businesses, it would seem to me, and others, that this was not a particularly proud historical event for our country.

Call it what you want, give all the "reasons" for it you want, I still stand by my opening line of my first post on the subject:

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Originally Posted by KFWA
there was also a severe backlash against Germans in this country.

There is an area in Cincinnati called Over the Rhine. Prior to WWII it was full of German beer halls, restaurants, many street names in German. The backlash against Germans during WWII wiped that area out. The beer halls gone, streets renamed, violence against them as they tried to live their lives as German Americans.

I won't go as far as to say they had it as bad as the Japanese, but German Americans during this time paid a heavy price - and this was in a country that had as many German immigrants as any other type.


There might have been an advantage to living out west. My Grandparents with their six children, and all of Grandpa's brothers had no experiences of persecution due their most German of German surnames. The Army asked 40 year old Grandpa to reenlist. He had served in a calvary unit, as a farrier post WW I. But he felt he could better serve by growing crops to feed the beleaguered nation.

Their ancestors all predate 1800 in America, and they had all lost any accent, save that of born and bred Okies. It seems they took more grief for the Okie part, than they ever did for being German.


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you have to admit that ul's post was a little dramatic.....respected member?......someone thinks a little to much of themselves ....bob


I took it as an older member who's been around a while and has enough time here to comment on it. UtahLefty ain't a dramatic look at me type like...


In fairness to UtahLefty he frequented this forum when racial slurs were not allowed and you could be banned for using them.

Rick has lightened up on moderating since that time. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it is a double-edged sword.


There really was a different 'fire back then?

I didn't join this august collection of misfits until 2011. I thought it has always been this way.


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'Boo's burning down the country and the schitt for brains crew still think it's a good time to lecture white people about racism.

I saw a pair of 'boo's in Rochester NY beat the teatotal puddin' out of a little 50ish white woman with fuggin' 2X4s.

That's the racism that's catching my eye these days.

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60 SS Agents injured 2 days ago...


Did you send the SS a get well card?

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They did ok after Custer died.


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Originally Posted by UtahLefty

I've been around long enough to remember a time when the membership here would not have cheered the sight of the U.S military firing on unarmed U.S citizens , on church property no less, peacefully exercising a constitutional right.

We have lost our way on what it means to be a citizen of a democracy, much less what it should mean to be an American.

Given the amount of time I used to spend here, I am saddened by what the fire has become.

I know you probably won't be able to keep yourself from the usual STFU stuff but please try not to. I was a respected member here once.

I've said my peace and I will not be back.

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Originally Posted by KFWA
there was also a severe backlash against Germans in this country.

There is an area in Cincinnati called Over the Rhine. Prior to WWII it was full of German beer halls, restaurants, many street names in German. The backlash against Germans during WWII wiped that area out. The beer halls gone, streets renamed, violence against them as they tried to live their lives as German Americans.

I won't go as far as to say they had it as bad as the Japanese, but German Americans during this time paid a heavy price - and this was in a country that had as many German immigrants as any other type.

It wasn't all bad - many German POWs that came here to work didn't want to leave. Being a POW in this country was better than being a returning citizen to Germany.

I recall that many German foods were renamed. When I was a kid (40s and 50s) there were a lot of "French" bakeries. Guess what they really were.

It may have been worse during WW I. I heard stories from my family. They weren't as sensitive about civil rights in those days.

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