What seems to be missed by humanists, is that in-depth knowledge of the bible, memorization of the scriptures or belief in literal vs interpretive aspects aren’t required by God. It’s so easy that it’s hard for critical thinkers. You only have to confess that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, He died for our sins and God wants us to take care of each other. That’s it. It is walking by faith. Not by sight. You have to be like a child. As a matter of fact, evidence of God or Jesus would actually take away from it, since it is based on faith.
Science is the study that requires evidence and being proven or disproven. The irony is humanists commonly believe that only they reserve the right of using baseless faith when their thesis is hanging in limbo. What commonly happens, as has happened here, is a secular “Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations” approach using scientific metrics to measure christian faith development.
Case and point: The OP’s topic derailed pages ago because ape to man evolution is not a proven theory and they aren’t anywhere near having it proven. However, christianity, the behavior of christians, the bible, religion, Jesus, Paul and God are now all the topics being judged....in between insults.
Well done, science guys. Well done.
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And none of the above, from you or I, negates the reality that “Some people worship the Bible, and some people worship Jesus. And often, the people who worship the Bible castigate the people who worship Jesus for not worshipping the Bible...!
Since you said "Some people..." in our first sentence, I guess there's no way to dispute that as being the reality. But when you say those few people "often castigate the people who worship Jesus for not worshiping the Bible", I have to think that you are mistaking their belief in the inerrancy of scripture for worship of the scripture. But you're the one who seems to run into these folks a lot, so who am I to say?
The biggest problem our country has is not systemic racism, it's systemic stupidity.
Elite-class roman citizen women changing husbands, and the dirt-poor citizen (of Rome city) getting a Subsistence grain/bread allowance caused the whole Empire to fall...???.. 😂
How much have you virgin birth twits actually studied on the Republic and Empire?
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by antlers
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Yep, the New Testament didn't even exist for many years while there was a thriving Christian Church.
If not for Pagan hellenistic Greeks organizing for the N.T. to be written up, to add to their library in Alexandria, you'd not have such.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
.. there was a thriving Christian Church.
Considering the weird variety of competing factions, How many real-deal christians were there prior to the N.T. coming into existence?
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
And none of the above, from you or I, negates the reality that “Some people worship the Bible, and some people worship Jesus. And often, the people who worship the Bible castigate the people who worship Jesus for not worshipping the Bible...!
Since you said "Some people..." in our first sentence, I guess there's no way to dispute that as being the reality. But when you say those few people "often castigate the people who worship Jesus for not worshiping the Bible", I have to think that you are mistaking their belief in the inerrancy of scripture for worship of the scripture. But you're the one who seems to run into these folks a lot, so who am I to say?
Either way, the Jesus I know isn’t bound by the covers of a book. And my belief in Him doesn’t require an inerrant Bible, nor does my belief in Him require a literal interpretation of the entire Bible.
If others choose to see it differently for themselves, then so be it.
My beliefs are not threatened by those who choose to believe that faith in Jesus requires an inerrant Bible, nor are my beliefs threatened by those who choose to believe that faith in Jesus requires a literal interpretation of the entire Bible.
What seems to be missed by humanists, is that in-depth knowledge of the bible, memorization of the scriptures or belief in literal vs interpretive aspects aren’t required by God. It’s so easy that it’s hard for critical thinkers. You only have to confess that Jesus Christ was the Son of God, He died for our sins and God wants us to take care of each other. That’s it. It is walking by faith. Not by sight. You have to be like a child. As a matter of fact, evidence of God or Jesus would actually take away from it, since it is based on faith.
Science is the study that requires evidence and being proven or disproven. The irony is humanists commonly believe that only they reserve the right of using baseless faith when their thesis is hanging in limbo. What commonly happens, as has happened here, is a secular “Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations” approach using scientific metrics to measure christian faith development.
Case and point: The OP’s topic derailed pages ago because ape to man evolution is not a proven theory and they aren’t anywhere near having it proven. However, christianity, the behavior of christians, the bible, religion, Jesus, Paul and God are now all the topics being judged....in between insults.
Well done, science guys. Well done.
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Isn’t evolution controversial among scientists? Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology. There is no scientific controversy about whether evolution occurred or whether it explains the history of life on Earth. As in all fields of science, knowledge about evolution continues to increase through research and serious debate. For example, scientists continue to investigate the details of how evolution occurred and to refine exactly what happened at different times.
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“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
The decline of society is caused by many factors, economic, market saturation, business decline leading to shortage of jobs, a sense of hoplessness, turn to drugs, steal to feed the habit, homelessness, overpopulation, social friction, race tension, class, the haves and the have nots, poor education, etc, etc....religion being only a part of the overall picture. Plus the US has a higher percentage of believers than Australia, for example, yet appears to have greater problems.
Assuming you meant "a sense of hopelessness". And where might a sense of hopelessness come from? Perhaps the thought that you are nothing more than an ape who has come down out of the trees? I'd have a sense of hopelessness if I believed that, too.
If you really meant hopelessness then I completely understand the majority of liberals; their lack of hops means they'll never make dime playing basketball, so they drag down society instead.
Why would I say 'a sense of hopelessness' If I had not meant to say it? I also listed possible reasons for the sense of hopelessness that some feel, struggling to make ends meet, low income, meaningless work day in day out without respite....may be causes for the breakdown of society, turning to drugs, crime, etc.
These issues are more economic and existential than religious. A society does well when it's members feel they have opportunities to get ahead, to thrive....rather than believing in this or that version of God.
Jesus told a man to give away all his material wealth and follow Jesus.. How many 'Christians' have invested that much faith in their God?
They like to bring up "no atheists in a foxhole" when war shows Christians will be crowded in the safer concrete bunker along with agnostics and athiests.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
And none of the above, from you or I, negates the reality that “Some people worship the Bible, and some people worship Jesus. And often, the people who worship the Bible castigate the people who worship Jesus for not worshipping the Bible...!
Since you said "Some people..." in our first sentence, I guess there's no way to dispute that as being the reality. But when you say those few people "often castigate the people who worship Jesus for not worshiping the Bible", I have to think that you are mistaking their belief in the inerrancy of scripture for worship of the scripture. But you're the one who seems to run into these folks a lot, so who am I to say?
Either way, the Jesus I know isn’t bound by the covers of a book. And my belief in Him doesn’t require an inerrant Bible, nor does my belief in Him require a literal interpretation of the entire Bible.
If others choose to see it differently for themselves, then so be it.
My beliefs are not threatened by those who choose to believe that faith in Jesus requires an inerrant Bible, nor are my beliefs threatened by those who choose to believe that faith in Jesus requires a literal interpretation of the entire Bible.
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. (John 21:25) So, yep, Jesus is not bound by the cover of a book, for sure.
The biggest problem our country has is not systemic racism, it's systemic stupidity.
Demanding that people believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible has a long history. No lie, it pushed me away.
I am sorry that has been the case for you. Faith can't and shouldn't be demanded or coerced, it has to come from the heart. I agree that many churches and many individual Christians have done great harm by being overly dogmatic. Persuasion, not coercion, is the better approach. Christians sometimes allow their zeal to get the best of them.
My problem with the Bible is that the Old Testament is way too bloodthirsty for me. I could double this page count with examples. Some of it spills over into the New Testament, but the revolutionary teachings of Jesus are a long, long ways from the Old. That is why the writings in the Bible reflect the cruel and unenlightened world and times when they were written.
"O daughter Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!"(Psalm 137:8–9 NRSV)
"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)
"And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." (Leviticus 26:27–29 King James Version)
Leo of the Land of Dyr
NRA FOR LIFE
I MISS SARAH
“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
Voodoo is a religion, and includes may Catholic elements, more than you probably imagine. As for claiming to be religion, but not really being so, .....you should look in the mirror.
You got that right. Jesus' (Yeshua's) teachings which weren't new ideas at all have had so much of other belief systems stitched onto them it resembles a religious Frankenstein monster.
Interesting comment. Why would you say that Jesus’ teachings were not new ideas? I have an opinion on this, but I would like to hear your viewpoint.
Also.... you went on to say that Jesus’ teachings had “other belief systems” stitched on to them. I am wondering about that. Can you elaborate?
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Because there were many similiar predecessor religions to Christianity. Here Richard Carrier details several, and also some that are claimed but are not actually do not feature a dying and rising god like Christianity:
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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