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Interesting that you dug up that old thread.
hatari put it as well as I've ever heard it.
It is terrible how the majority of people with mental illness are neglected in this country.


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Mental illness is not the only reason for suicides. I think the power of not wanting to live with whatever the problem is, just outweighs the not wanting to die. Nobody wants to die regardless of what we think. Many people have decided to not live anymore. There is a difference.

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Originally Posted by cuznguido
I think the power of not wanting to live with whatever the problem is, just outweighs the not wanting to die.
Temporarily so. That’s one of the reasons it’s so tragic...it’s a permanent act to a temporary failure of the coping mechanism.


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How do you know the problem is temporary?

My bud had a debilitating illness raging and would be dead within a year so shut it down while he was able to make the call.

Kids raised, finances in order, and within his belief system (we had differing views on that).

Shot himself mid July. Years ago. Was thinking about it.

Had to look up his obit for exact date just a minute ago. Time has lessened the upset and made such details fade.

And yeah, he was a great guy.












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Originally Posted by hookeye
How do you know the problem is temporary?
Originally Posted by antlers
That’s one of the reasons it’s so tragic...it’s a permanent act to a temporary failure of the coping mechanism.


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Maybe it had crossed to where no coping mech could deal with it.

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Originally Posted by hookeye
Maybe it had crossed to where no coping mech could deal with it.
Sorry ‘bout your friend. Sad incident, sad circumstances.


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Well I’ll tell you this straight up, I’ll soldier on through cancer and go out in a morphine stupor, but noway in hell am I going the distance with dementia and having my daughters have to change Dad’s diaper.







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Originally Posted by BangPop
I've seen a couple of examples recently where two individuals were declared great guys after they took their own lives. One was a early 30's fly fishing guide who left a 12 year old son behind to deal with the stigma of having his father do himself in with a pistol. Another was a mid 70's guy who left behind his wife of nearly 50 years. Everyone goes on and on about what great guys they were. Just splendid individuals. I have a different opinion of someone who would do that to a loved one or family member. Selfish chicken chits that didn't have the guts to deal with whatever was eating at them. They took the easy way out. Sad deal for those left behind.



The question I have for you is can you see the rational for someone with a painful debilitating disease ending his own life? Then, can you see how a persistent mental disease can be just as painful and debilitating as a physical disease? I'm sure you can see how a physical disease with no end, and little relief, could destroy someone's will to live. That and the fact that the person see's what his disease is doing to his loved ones.

The fact is that people make the choice they believe is best for them, and their loved ones. That choice is often influenced by the pain they are going through. Pointing out that with physical disease often they often receive understanding, support and love. That being from family, community and church. Yet with mental disease they receive rejection, belittlement, marginalization and despise from these same sources.

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Originally Posted by Barkoff
Well I’ll tell you this straight up, I’ll soldier on through cancer and go out in a morphine stupor, but noway in hell am I going the distance with dementia and having my daughters have to change Dad’s diaper.


I agree completely.

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I could see someone that is terminal.

Some are people getting caught doing fugged up schit.
Respected members of the community type of stuff.
Just get a chuckle from those once the Paul Harvey rest of the story is known.

Then ya got the little hometown usa johnny types.
Come to the big army base, get their 1st shot of poontang from some local crew served gal.
Most special thing in the world to him.
No matter what his buds clue him in on....
Obsessed......

He falls instantly in love, marry her maybe...
Usually inside of a couple of months or way less
To make her his, and only his forever....
Then blow their brains out when they realize she is spreading her pizz flaps all over town.

BOOM!!!!
SGLI sweepstakes winner and she moves on....

Happens all the time.

Virginitis...
Deadly ......

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Tough topic. Way I see it it’s not for us, but we can have our opinions. It’s between them and their maker. They arranged the meeting.

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Originally Posted by killerv
I wonder if there is something to it being hereditary. A buddy's grandfather several years back sold him the family farm for a dollar, after that, he went out to find his grandfather hanging from one of the trees a few weeks later. His father killed himself last year. Must be something to live with knowing your grandfather and father committed suicide.

Never had anyone close to me do it, mostly family members you may see once in a blue moon at a reunion or something. Had a good buddy who overdosed a few years back, no note was left so we weren't very sure if it was one or not, he had just gotten a divorce.

Our local BPS seems to be a popular place to do it. Law enforcement told me multiple people have off'd themselves in the parking lot since it opened. I guess they just want to make sure they are found quickly.


A friend of mine killed himself last Feb. His grandfather and father both killed themselves. Another guy I grew up with shot himself and his mom did the same. I do believe whatever causes it can be inherited.

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Young people killing themselves might be saddest of all, over three decades I've had a couple of students that killed themselves, and a family member that did too. In every case no one saw it coming. I think if they could see the pain it leaves behind they never woulda done it.


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I had a very good friend kill himself in 2002. I saw him often and had no clue there was issues. Turned out that he was in big financial trouble.
He left a wife and two sub teen daughters
I still think about him often.


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If you live in your 60 yr old mother’s basement and she catches you fugging a blow up doll....

You have two choices

Kill yourself
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Move to Alaska

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Originally Posted by blanket
yeah bullshit, Depression sucks and when someone turns it all about themselves and does not give a flying [bleep] about the ones they are leaving to deal with it, that pisses me off


You are a MASSIVE fuggin idiot.


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Sack up, despire ninny.

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If live in your 60 yr old mother’s basement and she catches you fugging a blow up doll....

You have two choices

Kill yourself
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Move to Alaska


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