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Originally Posted by DBT
Genesis describes special creation, not evolution. Adam is said to have been created not evolved. Special creation contradicts the natural order of things, that life evolved, common decent, natural selection, environment pressures, etc.

The sense in which Adam is said to have been created must be taken in context, which is that Genesis clarifies that there is an equivalency between 1) God having created something and 2) nature having brought it forth in response to his command. God forming Adam from the slime of the earth must be interpreted in light of "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life ..." That would include Adam, who is certainly a moving creature who hath life. This informs us that "The Lord formed man from the slime of the earth" is figurative, not literal.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Genesis describes special creation, not evolution. Adam is said to have been created not evolved. Special creation contradicts the natural order of things, that life evolved, common decent, natural selection, environment pressures, etc.

The sense in which Adam is said to have been created must be taken in context, which is that Genesis clarifies that there is an equivalency between 1) God having created something and 2) nature having brought it forth in response to his command. God forming Adam from the slime of the earth must be interpreted in light of "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life ..." That would include Adam, who is certainly a moving creature who hath life. This informs us that "The Lord formed man from the slime of the earth" is figurative, not literal.


But the time frame of six literal days of creation is given and described. If Adam/humankind evolved just as the evidence tells us, there is no need to invoke special creation or intelligent design...which is not supported by the evidence, fossil record, multiple extinction events, etc.

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But the time frame of six literal days of creation is given and described. If Adam/humankind evolved just as the evidence tells us, there is no need to invoke special creation or intelligent design...which is not supported by the evidence, fossil record, multiple extinction events, etc.

The time frame is allegorical.

God can command X,Y, and Z, and see that it is good, then move on to command A,B, and C, both billions of years before any of it actually takes place. Time duration and sequence is a thing for us, not for God. He doesn't live within the confines of such concepts.

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The missing link(s) have been found?


There are many transitional fossils. Anyone can check.

That clearly avoids answering a direct question....and since the answer of “No. No human missing link has been found” doesn’t support the theory of evolution, it’s safe to assume that “no” is, indeed, the answer.

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Originally Posted by HitnRun
it will just be a big disappointment to all you non believers immediately upon death.


Highly subjective belief based on mythology
and personal fear of the unknown.

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.. As hard as the evolutionary backers believe, they still can't disprove Creation.


Can you disprove Santa travels around in
a flying sleigh led by Reindeer?

Santa/St. Nicholas sounds just as amazing
and credible as Bible script miracles..so
surely you believe in a magic flying sleigh.



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Well, there are some real smart guys on the Fire, for sure. Seems to me the smartest are believers, though they may disagree on the mechanics and timelines.

It's been an educational and enlightening thread.

Thanks and GOD bless all those who didnt act as trolls and who revealed their own selves, GODs greatest masterpiece, and destiny through their own observations, revelations, investigations and contemplations.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by DBT
But the time frame of six literal days of creation is given and described. If Adam/humankind evolved just as the evidence tells us, there is no need to invoke special creation or intelligent design...which is not supported by the evidence, fossil record, multiple extinction events, etc.

The time frame is allegorical.

God can command X,Y, and Z, and see that it is good, then move on to command A,B, and C, both billions of years before any of it actually takes place. Time duration and sequence is a thing for us, not for God. He doesn't live within the confines of such concepts.


Where does the allegory end then? God is allegorical?


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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it will just be a big disappointment to all you non believers immediately upon death.


Please prove this.

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I won't say I told you so, but then again I just might.


Kinda smug statement there sport.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
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.....That's kind of a kid's "T" ball look at it. This way we all win. Make sure that the truth is not found in evolution , as hard as the evolutionary backers believe, they still can't disprove Creation.


You have the argument wrong way around - the burden is in providing proof. There is no proof of creation.


Then maybe you would inform us how DNA came to be.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by DBT
But the time frame of six literal days of creation is given and described. If Adam/humankind evolved just as the evidence tells us, there is no need to invoke special creation or intelligent design...which is not supported by the evidence, fossil record, multiple extinction events, etc.

The time frame is allegorical.

God can command X,Y, and Z, and see that it is good, then move on to command A,B, and C, both billions of years before any of it actually takes place. Time duration and sequence is a thing for us, not for God. He doesn't live within the confines of such concepts.


Where does the allegory end then? God is allegorical?


I love this question!


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Seems there are 3 main lines of thought/belief on the origin and development of human beings...

(1) human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process;

(2) human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process; and

(3) God created human beings pretty much in their current form in the last 6,000 years or so.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Where does the allegory end then? God is allegorical?

Believe what you like. I wont tell you how to interpret the Bible. Those who are already within the fold believe rightly when they read it, at least those portions necessary for salvation. If you're not within the fold, you will understand very little if any of it correctly, try as you might.

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The problem is snakes don't have vocal chords, a Broca's organ to frame speech, or a cerebellum to think with. The story is a fairy tale.


The cerebellum is the organ which governs most of our movements, the cerebrum is the organ of conscious thought.


Right. but a snake don't got one of them either.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by HitnRun
.....That's kind of a kid's "T" ball look at it. This way we all win. Make sure that the truth is not found in evolution , as hard as the evolutionary backers believe, they still can't disprove Creation.


You have the argument wrong way around - the burden is in providing proof. There is no proof of creation.


Then maybe you would inform us how DNA came to be.

Watch the series I recommended on systematic classifications of life, by Aron Ra. He explains it nicely.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Where does the allegory end then? God is allegorical?

Believe what you like. I wont tell you how to interpret the Bible. Those who are already within the fold believe rightly when they read it, at least those portions necessary for salvation. If you're not within the fold, you will understand very little if any of it correctly, try as you might.


LOL.

He didn't ask to interpret Bible for him,
he asked you how You interpret Bible.

Ie; where does the allegory end in your
interpretation.

and please lay off the 'special fold' approach.
to many dime a dozen types like that already.





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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Prwlr
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The problem is snakes don't have vocal chords, a Broca's organ to frame speech, or a cerebellum to think with. The story is a fairy tale.


The cerebellum is the organ which governs most of our movements, the cerebrum is the organ of conscious thought.


Right. but a snake don't got one of them either.


Telepathy folks.

Which part of the brain does one need to communicate with another being without using speech???


49 pages,


we're almost there.

I wonder what the conclusion will be?


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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Where does the allegory end then? God is allegorical?

Believe what you like. I wont tell you how to interpret the Bible. Those who are already within the fold believe rightly when they read it, at least those portions necessary for salvation. If you're not within the fold, you will understand very little if any of it correctly, try as you might.


LOL.

That's pretty basic Christian doctrine, and Biblically based.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Where does the allegory end then? God is allegorical?

Believe what you like. I wont tell you how to interpret the Bible. Those who are already within the fold believe rightly when they read it, at least those portions necessary for salvation. If you're not within the fold, you will understand very little if any of it correctly, try as you might.


LOL.

That's pretty basic Christian doctrine, and Biblically based.


Just because it's doctrine, that doesn't make it so.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm

Where does the allegory end then? God is allegorical?

Believe what you like. I wont tell you how to interpret the Bible. Those who are already within the fold believe rightly when they read it, at least those portions necessary for salvation. If you're not within the fold, you will understand very little if any of it correctly, try as you might.


LOL.

He didn't ask to interpret Bible for him,
he asked you how You interpret Bible.

Ie; where does the allegory end in your
interpretation.

and please lay off the 'special fold' approach.
The question was obviously disingenuous.

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