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According to science, we should be reverting, over the ages, back to the original first humans.


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Originally Posted by Etoh
Todays science is, unfortunately ,a consensus

reasons being it is not science, but technology ----- there is a difference.


Not one great scientific idea or breakthrough was done by consensus.

somebody had a revelation, an epiphany, call it what you want, and all the players lined up. it was because they "knew" science (at least up to that point in history) more players lined up


This^^^
And yes, like treating H pylori or a silver bullet for C-19.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Etoh
main difference between apples and oranges is citric acid.

once man figured out they needed Vit C, oranges (citrus fruit) was carried wherever shipping went.

apples meh, high fructose, requiring ATP and purines spells gout.


Yes, but how did apples know to become oranges because man needed Vit C. The apple came first . Remember, there was an apple tree in the Garden of Eden. grin



unfounded assumption, apple was chosen for metaphorical sweetness remember the fructose 100s sweeter than sugar. the writings were adjusted to appeal to the masses.


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Ok. Darn.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
According to science, we should be reverting, over the ages, back to the original first humans.


we are

using technology of the cell phone is not the same as knowing how the chip works.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
I thought science proved that as time progressed, things became less specialized.
Put tame feral pigs in the forest for generations and they eventually revert back to the hogs they were originally. IOW, less specialized.
Sir, respectfully...how is a feral hog that obtains its own food and water in the wild, “less specialized” than a hog in a pen that is totally dependent upon others for its sustenance...?


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Originally Posted by Etoh
Todays science is, unfortunately ,a consensus

reasons being it is not science, but technology ----- there is a difference.


Not one great scientific idea or breakthrough was done by consensus.

somebody had a revelation, an epiphany, call it what you want, and all the players lined up. it was because they "knew" science (at least up to that point in history) more players lined up


This^^^
And yes, like treating H pylori or a silver bullet for C-19.



not exactly , when the C popped up with the Plaquenil question I posted 2-3 months ago that Plaquenil had ARB properties, and as such Losarten (or any ARB/ACE2) would be a competitive inhibitor. and would work
Im not the only one, but it was overridden by the consensus at the Heart institute who aren't hormone specialized
Ca/Mg/Zn for viral infections has been around since (Natures Bounty) since the 70s


Real science is knowing how to build the pyramids without needing pi. type things. ex.


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Truth, and Hydroxychloroquine, along with those works well.
However, i was referring to Dr Richard Bartletts use of budesonide inhaled steroid which is cleared for use even for premies, Etoh.


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I'll post this once agian.[Linked Image from speakingofresearch.files.wordpress.com]


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Originally Posted by Etoh
The Gospels=gossip=you said, they said he said=heresy = hearsay

The Theory of God=BELIEF (FAITH) in Mind before Matter


Folks used to see tangible Gods in the elements
Earth, Air, Fire, Water.
Then they saw them in the planets and other
heavenly bodies,
Now they believe in an unknowable invisible
intangible God beyond the known universe,
and get upset IF you question the veracity
of what popped out of the imaginations of
Bibilcal story writers.

The thing christians can't escape is that the
Jesus character does not match the essential
word of God Biblical Messianic criteria... but
they just bury their heads in the sand on the
matter.

Since the foundational claims of Jesus as
the Messiah are so flawed, How much of what
is written and relayed about that mysterious
Jesus character can actually be taken as truth?
Anonymous Gospel authors and Paul,
(that some Christians describe as a break-away
paranoid schizophrenic) do little to make the
case for Jesus.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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The failure isn't on the 'evolutionist' side. Evolution is a fact, theory lies in explaining the means of evolution ...

You've formulated it like this before, and have already been corrected. Once again, evolution is, scientifically speaking, the prevailing theory of biodiversity. In ordinary parlance, however, it's also a fact, since it's as well established a theory as is scientifically possible.

You think you're bolstering its veracity by denying that it's a theory, but you're not. To say that it's not a scientific theory is to say that it lacks the necessary characteristics of a scientific theory, i.e., that it lacks falsifiability. Falsifiability just means that, were it false, it would be a simple matter to disprove it with evidence that can be acquired via scientific discovery or experimentation. Evolution theory meets that standard.

Stop denying it's a theory. It just tells the informed that you don't know what that word means.


You may want to believe that you have 'corrected' my use of the word fact, and given your faith based position, that's understandable.

But you are wrong.

Evolution is both fact and theory for the given reasons. Reasons and evidence that have been provided numerous times, only to be ignored.

Preferring faith to reason and evidence, you refuse to accept the truth.

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Originally Posted by RayF
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If there are 'no reservations about its truth,' evolution is a fact. "No reservations" means beyond all reasonable doubt, ie, factual: a fact.

There are "no reservations" as to the reality of evolution.

Let’s see how you arrived at that:

Originally Posted by DBT
”Many people learned in elementary school that a theory falls in the middle of a hierarchy of certainty—above a mere hypothesis but below a law. Scientists do not use the terms that way, however. According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.” No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature. So when scientists talk about the theory of evolution—or the atomic theory or the theory of relativity, for that matter—they are not expressing reservations about its truth.''

I believe you misinterpreted this. Not expressing reservations on a topic is not the same thing as claiming the opposite is true. If the intent was to claim its accepted as true, this would have been more direct in saying so. It’s actually supported in the below statement:

Originally Posted by DBT
”'In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the fact of evolution. The NAS defines a fact as “an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as ‘true.’” The fossil record and abundant other evidence testify that organisms have evolved through time. Although no one observed those transformations, the indirect evidence is clear, unambiguous and compelling.''


It’s carefully crafted and the bias is restrained, but it is apparent. The writer implies evolution as a fact, but falls short of openly stating it. I appreciate that he/she defines “fact” and utilizes the term “evidence” instead of “proof”.



You are playing the semantic shuffle. It can be pointed out how and why evolution is a fact in several ways. It has been explained in a number of ways. But none of these ways can be acceptable for those who prefer faith.

How else is creationism to be defended except through semantics and denial?

Anybody who considers the evidence for evolution objectively can see it's reality, that evolution, well beyond all reasonable doubt, is a fact.

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Originally Posted by DBT

Evolution is both fact and theory for the given reasons. Reasons and evidence that have been provided numerous times, only to be ignored.

Preferring faith to reason and evidence, you refuse to accept the truth.

It was you who said it wasn't a theory, which shows you don't know what the word means.

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Originally Posted by wabigoon
I'll try to quote, Ben Stein, "Science brought us the Holocaust."

Another quote, :God is love".


Neither is true.

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Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by wabigoon
I'll try to quote, Ben Stein, "Science brought us the Holocaust."

Another quote, :God is love".


Neither is true.


So says lying you.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
[quote=DBT]
Evolution is both fact and theory for the given reasons. Reasons and evidence that have been provided numerous times, only to be ignored.

Preferring faith to reason and evidence, you refuse to accept the truth.


The truth will set you free, and you arent, DBT.


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We have some hard hearts here


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by DBT

Evolution is both fact and theory for the given reasons. Reasons and evidence that have been provided numerous times, only to be ignored.

Preferring faith to reason and evidence, you refuse to accept the truth.

It was you who said it wasn't a theory, which shows you don't know what the word means.


I said that evolution is both fact and theory. Organisms adapt and evolve, and we form theories based on the evidence. Fact and theory.

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Well...I just tuned in, without reading the thread of course...

Cause I didnt know there were six theories of evolution.....

I must be out of the loop......I only ever read Darwin's theory....


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Originally Posted by Etoh
Originally Posted by jaguartx
According to science, we should be reverting, over the ages, back to the original first humans.


we are

using technology of the cell phone is not the same as knowing how the chip works.



Yep, we are...dysgenics is absolutely rampant, and the gene pool is severely diluted.


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