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Religion only really cares about "life" after death, and salvation doesn't require leading a "good life". What a terrible mindset to be introducing to young and malleable minds of children. Christianity has as much or more to do with this life as it does the next. Agreed. Wholeheartedly.
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They rejected JESUS as GODS son and crucified HIM....
You fail to consider that the OT describes the prophesied Messiah,.. .. Jesus does not not meet the description. Why do you ignore these problems? If Christians were to ackowledge such incongruence the basis of their faith crumbles. have never seen a CF Christian address such a fundamental flaw issue no matter how many times it is raised,.. just goes straight in the - T. F. H. - basket. The elephant remains in the room no matter how much they chose to ignore it, thus we are left with a Faith based on pretence.
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The inspired word of God is so ambiguous that people have argued fought over its meaning for centuries.....you'd think a mind capable of creating a universe would be clearer.
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The inspired word of God is so ambiguous that people have argued fought over its meaning for centuries.....you'd think a mind capable of creating a universe would be clearer. I guess HE did that to distract lame brains from the good news. John 3:16. He let Christians discuss the rest of HIS message in order to help HIM see who needed salvation and who didnt, you know, to help seperate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. To let the world see who was for and who was against HIS word. 
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Going through a Jesus is trying to find
Salvation through a Proxy.
Other methods offer one the chance to save
Oneself and reach Nirvana.
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You also made an interesting statement that grace couldn't be earned - so that means it's a lotto draw?
The grace that God extends to us, through Jesus, can’t be earned. That’s my belief. If ‘you’ choose to see it as a “lotto draw”...cool. I’m fine with it. Understood - it's a "carrot" to entice believers. Have to understand that there are also "lemons".
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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You also made an interesting statement that grace couldn't be earned - so that means it's a lotto draw?
The grace that God extends to us, through Jesus, can’t be earned. That’s my belief. If ‘you’ choose to see it as a “lotto draw”...cool. I’m fine with it. Understood - it's a "carrot" to entice believers. If ‘you’ choose to see it that way...cool. I’m fine with that too.
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The inspired word of God is so ambiguous that people have argued fought over its meaning for centuries.....you'd think a mind capable of creating a universe would be clearer. I guess HE did that to distract lame brains from the good news. John 3:16. He let Christians discuss the rest of HIS message in order to help HIM see who needed salvation and who didnt, you know, to help seperate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. To let the world see who was for and who was against HIS word. Or most likely, the bible as a collection of books that don't always agree with each other, contradictions, mistakes, absurdities, is nothing more than a testament to the beliefs of the people at the time the books were written....hence an angry god of war in early OT times and a God of Love in the minds of NT Christians.
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So, im glad to hear youre a good guy, mauser. Never cuss, swear, coveted, stole or had dirty thoughts or lied or... whoa. You say there is no GOD or Savior? Well, so much for not lying.
Ima put you in fer honorable mention, but your works wont do the job. Sorry, i dont make the rules. The big guy who made you does that. I agree, HIS rules arent worth a schat and you and i could do much better. Darn it, if weuns just made the rules.
Ecc 10:2
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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Jag and others. It is not the unbelievers who are afraid. Religion is there with all its promised comforts of the hereafter precisely because we as humans are afraid of death. So we try to soften it by making up stories of how wonderful it will all be after we die.
In actuality, it ought to be just the opposite. The reality is that when we die, we absolutely cease to exist. ALL the evidence says that we simply...stop. The good news is that we will never know we are dead. It would be impossible to be aware of anything, including that we are unaware. It is in fact exactly like falling asleep: we do not notice the moment when we stop being conscious precisely because we are unconscious.
That should be a comfort. It is a comfort to me. I think that if I were in fact able to "look back down upon myself" from soul height and realize that I was dead, it would be a horrific trauma. I'm confident that won't be the case, for which I am deeply grateful. The sad thing is that all you believers won't know you were wrong and none of those promises will happen. I won't know I'm right and you won't know you're wrong.
Lastly (and maybe I'll give this an everlasting rest, ha!) I will say that I am not an atheist. An atheist is an anti-religion zealot, just as eager to convert as the most fervent missionary. I am not that. I am simply a non-believer who was raised in the most rigorous Catholic way - until I started asking what seemed to be rational questions. And got what were patently absurd answers, one whopper after another to "explain away" every earlier whopper. And it all unraveled. I'm still pointing out the absurdities. And slyly smiling.
Rocky, I envy your eloquence.
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The inspired word of God is so ambiguous that people have argued fought over its meaning for centuries.....you'd think a mind capable of creating a universe would be clearer. I guess HE did that to distract lame brains from the good news. John 3:16. He let Christians discuss the rest of HIS message in order to help HIM see who needed salvation and who didnt, you know, to help seperate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. To let the world see who was for and who was against HIS word. Or most likely, the bible as a collection of books that don't always agree with each other, contradictions, mistakes, absurdities, is nothing more than a testament to the beliefs of the people at the time the books were written....hence an angry god of war in early OT times and a God of Love in the minds of NT Christians. The apparent contradictions are to snag those really smart folks like you who can get everlasting life all by their own self.
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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Im out of this for today.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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So, im glad to hear youre a good guy, mauser. Never cuss, swear, coveted, stole or had dirty thoughts or lied or... whoa. You say there is no GOD or Savior? Well, so much for not lying.
Ima put you in fer honorable mention, but your works wont do the job. Sorry, i dont make the rules. The big guy who made you does that. I agree, HIS rules arent worth a schat and you and i could do much better. Darn it, if weuns just made the rules. I'm no different to anyone else. I otherwise follow moral standards that everyone expects to be also reflected back on them. God is man-made, so his rules come from us.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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You also made an interesting statement that grace couldn't be earned - so that means it's a lotto draw?
The grace that God extends to us, through Jesus, can’t be earned. That’s my belief. If ‘you’ choose to see it as a “lotto draw”...cool. I’m fine with it. Understood - it's a "carrot" to entice believers. If ‘you’ choose to see it that way...cool. I’m fine with that too. You left off my comment about the "lemons" but I know you don't have an answer to that - just saying (for all to see).
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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You left off my comment about the "lemons" but I know you don't have an answer to that - just saying (for all to see). An “answer” to your comment about lemons...? In light of ‘all’ of the discussion that’s been going on here, *that* is what you choose to use in your feeble attempt at an ‘I gotcha’...! laffin’ For ALL to see.
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You clearly have a HUGE problem with my beliefs. While I have ZERO problem with yours.
lol
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Religion only really cares about "life" after death,... Jesus’ teachings of loving God, and showing your love for God ‘by’ loving others is clearly the polar opposite of your assertion. ...and salvation doesn't require leading a "good life". That’s right...because grace can’t be earned...if it could be earned then it wouldn’t be grace. But, loving God, and showing your love for God ‘by’ loving others would certainly go towards leading a good life. Not done as often or as good as it should be, but the premise is still there. If the only thing motivating a person to be good and decent is the expectation of a divine reward, then that person likely has a bad theology. What a terrible mindset to be introducing to young and malleable minds of children. I think teaching children Jesus’ New Covenant commands is a great mindset for them to have. There was a lot less strife in Chitcago, Portland and Seattle and less quuuers kissing on the streets and schietting on the streets 60 years ago in San Francisco before Christ was kicked out of school, and a lot less overdoses and suicide by young folks back then too. Fuggers werent kneeling on the field or rioting either. Prolly ust a coincidence though. Know way those dumbassed sheep herders years ago could know. They ust made some lucky guesses by coincidence.  No way id trade our wonderful progress for Him, though. Nah, we got it too good now. Well, if that dumbassed believer Trump gets elected again anyway.  You're biased to making a link between religion and civil unrest whereas that link doesn't exist. There are other causes for the problems over there. Sheesh. None are so blind as those who would not see. Thats what the stiff necked jews said before being taken captive by ancient Babylon, Rome. Thats what the empire of Israelites said as they degenerated into a degenerate nation under Jeroboam as they were being defeated and taken captive by the Assyrians. There is a reason the Jews, Tribe of Judah, has experienced the curses they have suffered through. Hey, God looks after His own chosen people well, really, really well....which is why they have suffered for thousands of years? Oh, wait, it must be that pesky free will thing at work. Oh, gee. You mean HE doesnt treat those who rejected and killed HIS son the way you think HE should have done. Cry me a river. Come on you hyoocrite. What would any real man, not a man like you, would do to those who tortured your son unmercifully and then killed him. Im sure as sweet as you are that you would have blessed them. WTF are you talking about. By your own teachings, Christ did not die. He is immortal, omniscient, He is GOD. Christ simply went back home. That is, if all you have been telling us the last many years is true. It was all preordained, the script written millenia in advance by Christ/God himself. According to your past statements, it could have happened no other way.
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You left off my comment about the "lemons" but I know you don't have an answer to that - just saying (for all to see). An “answer” to your comment about lemons...? In light of ‘all’ of the discussion that’s been going on here, *that* is what you choose to use in your feeble attempt at an ‘I gotcha’...! laffin’ For ALL to see. So you choose not to answer? You seem to have answers for everything else?
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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. What would any real man, do to those who tortured your son unmercifully and then killed him.. What kind of father throws his son under the bus to be tortured and killed?.. especially when Salvation is possible without Need for such gruesome human blood sacrifice. The christian blood sacrifice narrative sounds very much like a backward primitive civilizations method of appeasing deities. Anyhow, It appears they killed the wrong man, Jesus just found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. Christians didn't let it go to waste and set about building a fable around the ordinary unfortunate man.
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You seem to have answers for everything else? Well, ya’ know...you keep lobbin’ softballs... It’s pretty easy to crush em’ out of the park.
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