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The bible is a mixed bag of vague prophesies, revelation, etc, after the fact and failed prophesies, Tyre, Egypt, the return of Jesus in power and glory within the lifetime of those standing there listening to the words and their promise, etc. Vague to you and not after the fact. The dating of the Dead Sea Scrolls verifies this. God not only gave Daniel the the description of kingdoms that will follow Babylon, but the detailed way Babylon will be defeated and the name of the conqueror. The scroll upon which it is written is 150 years older than the event. There is no mention of the modern day state of Saudi state, Russia, America, Australia, etc, in the bible.....we have current christian projection and interpretation of symbolic language that actually referred to biblical times and places. Some of it wrong at that, Tyre, Egypt, etc. Did you get your feelers hurt because you think HE should have specifically mentioned the modern and current names of Russia and the US in the writing of the Bible before those nations were named by men given free will. Well i am so sorry HE didnt do things the way god dbt wanted HIM to do. Youre just so ignored and mistreated by HIM, arent you? Well, boo hoo hoo.
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How Israel has defeated all of its modern adversaries is a miracle in itself. They were attacked on 3 sides almost immediately after becoming the new state. No command & control. No organization. No armor. No air force. They’ve been winning ever since...
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I care not what any man thinks, Jesus is Lord. Napoleon wrote about that.
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Trying to rewrite History there buddy, Australian Light Horseman took control of Beersheba back in 1917 when they took back control of Palestine, nuthin to do with divine intervention or the chosen people. Im sure any inquiring mind would already be aware of these fact...... https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/the-charge-of-the-4th-light-horse-brigade-at-beershebahttps://independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/remembering-the-battle-of-beersheba,13832 1917 has no relevance with the war of which I described: The 1948 Arab-Israeli War.....the war that virtually every intelligence agency assessed to result in a loss for Israel, but was won against incredible odds and established the state of Israel in its current capacity.
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Trying to rewrite History there buddy, Australian Light Horseman took control of Beersheba back in 1917 when they took back control of Palestine, nuthin to do with divine intervention or the chosen people. Im sure any inquiring mind would already be aware of these fact...... https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/the-charge-of-the-4th-light-horse-brigade-at-beershebahttps://independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/remembering-the-battle-of-beersheba,13832 1917 has no relevance with the war of which I described: The 1948 Arab-Israeli War.....the war that virtually every intelligence agency assessed to result in a loss for Israel, but was won against incredible odds and established the state of Israel in its current capacity. You mean the war where God said in the Bible that Israel would be carried to safety as though by the wings of an eagle? You mean the Israel God told in the Bible to make no treaties with its enemies who would turn on them and try to drive them into tbe sea.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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I think that the filter of faith sees miracles wherever extraordinary, but not supernatural, events happen. Im glad you see things like that. I think youre FOS and have scales on your eyes. HE agrees.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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I think that the filter of faith sees miracles wherever extraordinary, but not supernatural, events happen. Just a little rational mind 1948 war history research can dispell the RayF "miracle" claim... but that takes the wind out of the sails of the theistic fantasy. without critical foreign military material aid provided to Israel, they were well and truelly screwed. .. but thats par for the atheistic side of these debates. Deny everything. Admit nothing.. Then Come back and own your blatant ignorance that you have displayed on this thread. that really deserves joke of the month prize. You are prime example why folks should not trust christians to inform them.
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Coming from you guys who fantasize about paddling other people's children in class!Start your own "Christian" schools and paddle behinds till your arms are tired.We will kindly let you have at it. Wait a minute. In my state it is illegal to strike another person. I don't see any exceptions in the law that allows striking children.
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I made it clear what the issue is. You made it clear that you get pissed off and bothered because believers ‘are’ believers. Truth. It gets his hemorrhoids flared up for sure. He and mouser cant drop this thread. You both project your own histrionic behaviour onto the opposition. Neither of you can respond without trying to make it personal. That's the fact of it. You, Jaggy boy, bravely in the security of your anonymity, accused me of being a liar, yet when asked repeatedly to give one example, one lie....nothing, you crawl under your bed for a while and hope it's forgotten.
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I think that the filter of faith sees miracles wherever extraordinary, but not supernatural, events happen. Im glad you see things like that. I think youre FOS and have scales on your eyes. HE agrees. Religion is based on faith. I don't have religion.
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Trying to rewrite History there buddy, Australian Light Horseman took control of Beersheba back in 1917 when they took back control of Palestine, nuthin to do with divine intervention or the chosen people. Im sure any inquiring mind would already be aware of these fact......https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/the-charge-of-the-4th-light-horse-brigade-at-beershebahttps://independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/remembering-the-battle-of-beersheba,13832 I read the whole thing. Australians did God's work, and helped open the way for the Jewish return.Good for Australia. If I moved to another country it would be Australia. Australia always seems to fight on the right side.
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You have a seething anger with those who choose to believe in God. It absolutely eats you up that believers choose to believe in God. And you try to camouflage it by using verbal placebos such as ‘rational’ and ‘logical’...neither of which any of your positions have proven to be. Your responses are emotional, not intellectual. THAT’S the fact of it.
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Note to naive Hastings -
I don't think Australians are generally keen on goofy religous types, their pentacostal PM has shown he 'pissed them off' with all his wacko God and miracle talk claims.
Second note to naive Hastings -
You being x LE, be aware their is not anywhere near the level of cop worship as in the USA.
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Religion and public tax funded education need to be kept separate. This discussion is an indication of how much discord could be introduced into a classroom populated by competing and mutually exclusive belief systems. Separation of church and state institutions is one of the better ideas our supreme court ever came up with. I had the privilege (1960s) of attending 5th through 9th grade public school in a theocracy that ignored the court and shamelessly incorporated the Mormon LDS dogma into the day in a far less than subtle way. The place was the most Northwestern county in Utah and the population was 90+ percent LDS. Moral depravity is nothing new in this country, it is just more openly displayed. More than a century ago anarchists and labor rioted in the streets. Corporate goons gunned down striking labor. Three presidents were murdered in less than 40 years. Prostitution, drunkeness, child and domestic abuse were endemic. Taking prayer out of school didn't cause today's issues, entitlements without work played a big part.
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You have a seething anger with those who choose to believe in God. It absolutely eats you up that believers choose to believe in God. And you try to camouflage it by using verbal placebos such as ‘rational’ and ‘logical’...neither of which any of your positions have proven to be. Your responses are emotional, not intellectual. THAT’S the fact of it. Oh my goodness.......project much???
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I suspect very strongly that God will deal rather harshly with the Communists come Judgement Day. Possibly so, but what are you going to do until then?
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Hastings, I don’t disagree with anything that you said in your last post. My kids went to public schools. I wanted them to be taught ‘how’ to think, not ‘what’ to think.
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Note to naive Hastings -
I don't think Australians are generally keen on goofy religous types, their pentacostal PM has shown he 'pissed them off' with all his wacko God and miracle talk claims.
Second note to naive Hastings -
You being x LE, be aware their is not anywhere near the level of cop worship as in the USA. I am not keen on on goofy religious types either. I think you and the rest of the atheists here stand a better chance at salvation than some of the loudest and surest bible thumpers. As a disclaimer, I am not atheist and I still seek the truth knowing there are a lot of falsities and self serving out there. God bless. As to law enforcement. It is a necessary evil but none the less very necessary as we will possibly soon see when it is overwhelmed.
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You have a seething anger with those who choose to believe in God. It absolutely eats you up that believers choose to believe in God. And you try to camouflage it by using verbal placebos such as ‘rational’ and ‘logical’...neither of which any of your positions have proven to be. Your responses are emotional, not intellectual. THAT’S the fact of it. Oh my goodness.......project much??? Coming from you guys who fantasize about paddling other people's children in class! Oh my goodness.......project much???
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