HE doesnt give some a chance to save themselve and give others no chance and a death sentence before birth.
No one has any chance to save themselves. If we did, Christ would have died for nothing according to Paul in his letter to the Galatians (chapter 2).
We aren’t “pretty sick” in trespasses and sins we’re DEAD (Eph 2). Try laying the cure for some disease next to a corpse, reassuring it that “the cure for your disease is right there; take it up and be healed!”
Extreme and untold gratitude must arrest the heart of those of us who have been awakened from death to newness of life! It’s an unfathomable miracle. And it’s done for us. Those who are not awakened get justice even as Christ has suffered God’s wrath for our sins. It’s a wonder that God has called any at all; if we were paid our just reward we’d all be doomed.
Amazing grace indeed!!!!!
Im thinking reaching out to God for HIS saving grace could maybe be interpreted as saving ones self, like reaching out and grabbing that root to the tree of life as one is drowning in the river of life.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
I’m thinking reaching out to God for HIS saving grace could maybe be interpreted as saving ones self, like reaching out and grabbing that root to the tree of life as one is drowning in the river of life.
That's my life in a nutshell. I realize that if anything different had happened, it could have turned out really bad, even though at the time I thought things were bad. Everything lead to my good life I enjoy today with my family.
If a person is predistined to be saved or go to hell, there is no reason for a Bible or, for that matter, possibly even the Lords life or crucifixion.
Who needs to witness or go to church. Everyone is already predestined to go to heaven or hell. Why contribute money to the church? To buy a better spot in heaven? You dont need to work out (pay for out of gratitude) your salvation.
Your name would already be written innthe book of life or not? Why ask forgiveness of your sins? They have already been forgiven or not? Why repent of your sins or turn away from them. Youre already going to heaven or hell and cant do anything about it.
Hey, we dont need to get up and go to church on Sunday, Wabi.
Ill see you on the flipper, if we are both lucky.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
Predestination means God is making these little dumbassed critters in HiS image and saying, you're wonderful. You're gonna be saved. Then HE makes another and says you're wonderful, because you are made in my image, and everything i make is wonderful, but tough luck sucker. You're going to Hell. One for ME and one for him. I gotta be fair, pal. Tough luck, kid. I didnt have my sons blood spilled to wash away your sins.
In fact sucker, i lied. You can not get to heaven, have your sins forgiven or be saved. You can ask for Me to come into your heart, forgive your sins, and make you believe but sorry pal, i lied, youre SOL. I was kidding when i said, knock and the door will be opened, ask and you will recieve. BS. It was a lie.
Last edited by jaguartx; 08/27/20.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
I enjoy these threads. You men are addressing the tougher things most churches won't touch. It's hard to find a church with a good Bible study.
Jive, ive never thouggt much on predestination and didnt know what i thought. Until i read some on this thread. Just a little bit ago, on my couch i began thinking about this, and believe it or not it seemed i was hit with a revelation, and that resulted in my 2 previous posts.
Well, that is what was revealed to me in almost the blink of an eye it seemed. Well, actualky like in 2 subsequent revelations.
I dont swear to know where those revelations came from, whether from HIM or him. But, i think i know who it was, and now i think i know the answer.
I think that if you knock, the door will be opened. If you dont, it wont.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
I think that if you knock, the door will be opened.
Agreed. This is how I see it...it’s as if God is inviting you to participate in an adoption process, but you’re not the one doing the adoption, you’re the one being adopted. You get to choose whether or not you want to be adopted. And if you say “yes”, God is more than happy to adopt you into His family. Because of what Jesus has done on the front end to make that possible.
Salvation is the greatest "Bargain" in all the history of man.
Amen!!!
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
I have a serious question about predestination. I consider myself a God fearing man. But I've always had issues with the idea of a "plan" for me. My belief is that the rules are laid out but I have free will and I make my own decisions in life, good and bad. Here's the question I have asked several people over the years and I have never gotten what seems to be a logical answer. If my path is set and I am not making all my own destination choices throughout my life, how can I be judged?
As a young architect I pondered exactly that... was I nothing more than a Number 2 pencil in the hand of God?
When I was challenged... I was forced to learn more...
More challenge... and more learning.
Then I came to realize the skill was not in what I knew, but what I actually didn't know... AND how the unknown was actually solved.
"Confidence begets confidence" is the only way I know to put it.
God predetermined the outcome by allowing choice in the process of the solving.
Somewhat Freudian... but ultimately Freud slipped on his own banana peel.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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