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Added thought.
A basis for the discussion can be seen in the doctrine of the Cross and the doctrine of glory. Plenty of good articles on the net to launch the brain off into thought.
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As such, this and similar arguments represent one “what is wrong” instance in American Evangelicalism, an inability and/or unwillingness to take an honest look at personal views and actually wrestle with scripture.
Been there. Done that. Burned the tshirt and not gonna go back. As have I brother. The ignorance of one’s place in the stream of Christian thought and how the cultural presuppositions in which we’re steeped and have adopted often unconsciously make for an inability to approach God’s word with the humility necessary for understanding. Particularly the nearly universally accepted lie of Rousseuian “blank slate” philosophy. Study of the contrasts between theologies of Cross vs Glory are indeed excellent places from which to start!
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What do you think? A lot of things have happened to me that did not seem so good at the time. That doesn't apply to everyone and everything they do. Some things are irremediably evil and good never comes out of them. It's part of free will. For instance, Islam taking over the Holy Land.
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Right now I can't post an image. "God works in mysterious ways".
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The gospel is simple. Why complicate it...?
Every day on this side of the ground is a win.
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Paul said, I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven Schizophrenic
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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Paul said, I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven Schizophrenic Paul probably had a sense of humor too. I think that you are joking aren't you?
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Good evening men, I can't post from Youtube, maybe later.
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Jesus and his apostles walk into a restaurant...
Jesus: Table for 26 please.
Hostess: But there’s only 13 of you.
Jesus: We like to all sit on one side of the table.
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That took a while!
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These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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Opps, should not have done that.
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Predestination is from God's point of view as He is beyond time. He knows everything from beginning to end. Free will is we still have a choice to repent and choose Jesus as our Lord and Savior to be saved. We don't know the future, only God does.
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Im still trying to figure out if HE wrote the Bible for instruction for every one. If HE did, and HE sentenced some to hell before born, would HE still tell everyone to Ask and yee shall recieve. That would be a lie, if you asked and had no chance of recieving, wouldnt it?
Why would HE say, knock and the door would be opened? Did HE mean the door to hell for somr and thr door to heaven for others?
Inquiring minds, you know. Pesky little things in the grand scheme of things, you know, like, it's so easy a child can understand?
Darn. Too bad I'm not a little child.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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Call me a child, IT, is not all that hard to understand.
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It doesn’t appear that you are trying to figure anything out but rather repeating the same statements throughout the thread. It’s a good study and several good starting points have been suggested.
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Paul said, I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven Schizophrenic Paul probably had a sense of humor too. I think that you are joking aren't you? I avoid Paul like the plague. He doesn't agree with Jesus on some very important points, nor with John the Baptist or Jesus' brother James. He seems to me to be a usurper and a fraud. He obviously didn't have access to the information available in the gospels or he would have known he was at variance with Jesus and might have covered his tracks a bit more carefully. If salvation can't be gained by following Jesus, John, and the old bible please explain. I think Jesus had plenty of time in 3+ years to say what he wished to say without Paul coming along and putting words in his mouth.In Revelations Jesus commended the Ephesians for getting shed of false apostles. Paul himself in a letter to Timothy lamented "that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me". Ephesus was the premier city in Asia which Jesus commended for rooting out claimed apostles. Paul was spirited away from the holy land and hauled to Rome more as a witness protection scheme by the Romans than any claim made that he had a right to appear before Caesar. And Paul probably would have been fat and happy in Rome if his sponsors would have maintained power. Someone (probably Nero) probably had him killed. Just read his letters promoting slave obedience, telling women to be quiet, and endorsing civil government as an instrument of God for the good.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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Predestination is from God's point of view as He is beyond time. He knows everything from beginning to end. Free will is we still have a choice to repent and choose Jesus as our Lord and Savior to be saved. We don't know the future, only God does. Well said
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