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Sòme intelligent saved men say dont read a scripture and go by it, but read the whole and add up what it means.

Others say, dont come up and say what you think it means and get out of it, but go by scripture and show it.

Sheesh. Cant win for losing with youse guys.

When we get to Heaven, I'll look around to see if Paul is in a pup tent.

Sorry man, I can't give you that one. We can't pick and choose scripture based on what we want to believe. No sir.

I find this compares well with hunters around a campfire discussing different aspects of their hunt for the "turdy point buck".

Mine had 28 (before 4 were broken off).

That’s OK. I’m cool with whatever you choose to believe. To me, in addition to Essential Beliefs, we have liberty in Non-Essential Beliefs.
“...without passing judgment on disputable matters… Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master servants stand or fall… So then each of us will give an account of ourselves to God… So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God.”
Romans 14:1, 4, 12, 22
One’s salvation does NOT depend on believing in Noah and the Ark (for example). Nor does one’s salvation depend on believing in everything that Paul said (for example).

It's not about me or what I do. I was talking about the bible and what it says. You turn the focus onto me in order to avoid dealing with what the bible says, a common tactic when it comes to inconvenient truth.

Just Love back!

No offense, but me thinks she may have forgotten or rejected one or two scriptures.

If one rejects one scripture, do they not reject Him? I dont know because i am also often inclined to lean on my own understanding (feelings?).

How many scriptures are we allowed to ignore, reject or overlook, before our house is not built on the Rock?
I would consider not how well someone knows scripture, not their wonderful desire or devine intent, but I would consider that HE made woman different than man and HE had a plan, a path, you might say, that is narrow.

I also know that HE said HE does not abide in a woman instructing a man. Now, to preach scriptutre, does not necessarily involve instructing men, but if a woman preacher is counseling people with problems i expect there is some recommendations going on.

It does make some uncomfortable. Just my take.

Just Love back!

Its not up to me to change anyones mind. Thats the Father's job.

But I have to ask, and I am not trying to sound condemning. But have you read the Bible lately? Not a verse here and a verse there, but the Bible from cover to cover? If not I challenge you to do so. It can be transforming. If you have, well there's no hope for you.

Nor am I out to change anyone’s mind. We’re just discussing subject matter of mutual interest on a discussion forum.Yes. But I don’t worship the Bible.

Christianity would still be true if every Bible and manuscript in the world were non-existent. To me, the foundation of Christianity is not a collection of ancient writings we call the Bible. To me, the foundation of Christianity is the reality of God and the historicity of Jesus, His life and teachings, His death, and especially His Resurrection. In fact, the New Testament wouldn’t even exist unless the Resurrection occurred. So, to me, while all of the Bible can help us to more fully understand God and and follow Jesus, we don’t need all of the Bible to understand its most important message—the Gospel.

So, can love allow practicing homosexuals to pastor a church?

Are we to assume HE was wrong on this occasion or on several occasions?

Are we supposed to over look things like this or, as HE said, use the scriptures for instruction and correction?

How many mothers with love overlooked the crimes of their husbands or children to the detriment or dismay of others.

I know that you, and evidently many others in the church are ok with this arrangement. Is this leading others to accept Gods words were sometimes in error?

How many are uncomfortable with this?

How many prospective members looking for a church home will be diverted by this?

Im sure Margaret Thatcher was a great world leader regarding conservative Christian values. Was she the camels nose under the tent? Look a the female world leaders we have today.

Many will come in my name. Take care that yee be not decieved. The way is narrow...

I see what you are saying, antlers.
I respectfully disagree in part. I agree with the faith in the death, burial and resurrection being the source of that new birth, and relationship with God.
Certainly there's no true church without the Living Word. I couldn't put it better myself. 👍

Since then, I believe that we have the most highly documented ancient collection of books and manuscripts due to the Divine actions of God.
The disciples and Jesus preached from the O.T. and later the Better Testament was given as the additional Scriptures.....ending complete with Revelation.

The part of difference is the place of the Bible in the continuation of churches. There's been a trail of martyrs blood throughout history by those who held to Scripture over the teachings of the established state "Universal Church."
I was taught by Catholicism that traditions, vatican councils, Popes speaking excathedra were at a highly trustworthy level as revelation from God. I think that these are put on equal trust with the Bible, which should be interpreted according to official church teaching. When I got saved, I came to place more and more faith in the trustworthy Bible. I am not a follower of that religion or the "Father/pope" either in case anybody is wondering. I don't think that you do either antlers.... unless you correct me.

How do we know and everyone else know of the Savior if not from God's inspired, inerrant Word? We would be left with oral traditions, church "fathers", current "fathers/popes", councils, and mainstream "Universal Church" officially allowed interpretation of Scripture.

God gave us His Word so we could have a clear trustworthy document of the all important Savior Who was tortured and died on our behalf and after three days arise bodily.....seen of hundreds of eye witnesses who could testify of that fact to all sceptics of that generation. I trust Him BECAUSE of His supernatural Word. That is how we today can have the same power and relationship with the Lord as the disciples who saw the Savior in person.

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

My Church is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ being the Chief Corner Stone. We know and see Him and them from the Bible don't we?

…15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

16ALL SCRIPTURE is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.

The scripture is GOD'S written message to those who would be HIS. It is what you have known from birth and what some have rejected or forgotten in written, transportable, transferrable form.

To me, just because one can learn about math from a math book doesn’t place the importance on the math book to the neglect of the math itself...the math still exists apart from the math book. Just because one can learn about history from a history book doesn’t place the importance on the history book to the neglect of the history itself...the history still exists apart from the history book. And just because one can learn about Jesus from the Bible doesn’t place the importance on the Bible to the neglect of Jesus Himself...Jesus ‘still’ exists apart from the Bible.
Your birth certificate tells of your birth, but you don’t exist ‘because of’ your birth certificate, your birth certificate exists ‘because of’ you. You would ‘still’ exist even if you had no birth certificate.
The Bible tells of the Savior, but the Savior doesn’t exist ‘because of’ the Bible, the Bible exists ‘because of’ the Savior. The Savior would ‘still’ exist even if there were no Bible.

Certainly true that He exists and has always existed before the N.T. I appreciate your candor in explaining your position. I wasn't sure before.

I think that He spoke to the first people directly, like Adam, Eve and their children. We know of many others too. After the first written scriptures, there were miracles confirming their veracity. As time went on there were Judges and prophets. It just seems like the Lord thought that the written Word was extremely important. 2 Peter 1:17 comes to mind .

"For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

We certainly don't worship the Bible, but there's psalm 119 and other famous passages of how valuable it's wisdom is and supernaturally speaks to us by His Holy Spirit for example.

Hey man, I don’t disagree with any of that.

Just to be clear,I never said there was no use in reading or studying scripture.I have found much inspiration and wisdom in the Bible. What I said and stand by is that I don't think these forum discussions have ever accomplished much more than arguments.

I won't sit under a woman preacher it's not biblical. Homosexual preachers are unbiblical. Homosexual people can be in church hearing God's word just as any other sinner can, but not to preach. Give me a break folks!
As surely as God lives, Paul the apostle is in heaven. I'll not argue any of this. No one will persuade me differently.