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It is a means of obtaining knowledge of God and growing spiritually. Obtaining knowledge of God and growing spiritually isn’t only accomplished through the Bible.

Amen. Great post, and thanks for it.

Happy_Camper,

I started watching your posted movie. When they started trying to convince us Jesus changed His mind about baptism I turned it off. Jesus told us at the end of Matthew to make disciples by baptizing them. At the end of Mark Jesus told us one who believes and is baptized will be saved. Most certainly He the Creator of Salvation knows what He requires of His creation.

Ringman,

I'm trying to think of the places that you're talking about. Can you give me the minute mark on the movie and the exact references you are talking about? I think I know which matthew and mark quote, but need to be sure since there's so many versions that differ.
When I have time, I'll take a look at them.

Sorry I missed this. So if a homosexual, after much self examination, decides his truth is that homosexuality is not a sin, even though the Bible specifically condemns it, then its not a sin? Wow. This Christianity thing is easy. If God reveals to my heart that these liberal scumbags need to die, and after much personal examination of why I feel this way, I determine its right. I kill them. Its all good? I'm sure at least one of the child molesting Catholic Priest felt in his heart that it was justified. The others didn't. So it was not a sin for him but it was for the others? That verse about the narrow gate and those entering will be few, that isn't my truth, therefore it isn't so. In other words, edit scripture according to what your heart tells you after self examination.

I hope I misunderstood you.

Well now, what if the homo reads Paul and understands that no one, not one is righteous and by faith accepts Jesus? Is he saved by the sacrifice of Jesus.? Is his ransom paid even though he is too weak to leave his unnatural life?

Hi Ringman.

I agree that we should do what Jesus requires of us.
Since I posted 2 movies, the first was, Eternal or Not.
The other was on the history of the New Testament .
I might be wrong but I'm guessing that you are referring to the first one. I don't remember where anyone said that Jesus changed His mind about baptism. There were lots of interviews so sorry that I missed that. Are you sure that it wasn't one of the introductory religions, since they went to source documents for everything explaining Morman beliefs to Budhism?

I'm using the KJV and looking at Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 16:15-20
I think that you are talking about 16:16
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"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
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He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

Do you believe that water baptism is a work required of the believer or baby for salvation?

I can't correlate your statement to my question. I am asking if it is NOT a sin if your heart says its not, even though its contradictory to scripture. You are asking if a person can be saved if living in a pattern of sin. We are told by John, in 1st John, (and by others in scripture as well), that anyone who lives in a pattern of sin is not saved.

everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's[b] seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

Satan underwent as much transformation as God, from an angel/son of god playing the role of adversary in the old testament, to the Devil fighting against God in the Christian theology.

DT, since you dont love GOD, what does it matter to you.

I'm having difficulty with my faith these days.

Fatcity67,

What's seems to be the difficulty?

It's interesting as history. The story of Judaism and Christianity is interesting. The same with Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

one thing I've noticed in my life is that when I've been in a bind, is that things always work out for me.

Everyone has sinned and fallen short. Let me ask in another way. If a man really believes in Jesus and accepts him through faith but goes into a rage one day and completely out of character kills his neighbor in a dispute. And then admits to God he was wrong. Does he get to keep his salvation? I am sure there are a lot of people who believe Jesus was who he claimed to be and accept him by faith, but in moments of weakness go AWOL. Just wondering what you think. You know King David had a lot of trouble keeping it between the ditches.

Why do you think that is stxhunter...? To what do you attribute that to...?

simple, Faith

Strong work. 👊🏻