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Antlers, one day the light bulb will come on for you.

The first century Christians did
have the bible... I believe a Christian could do just fine today with only the Old Testament and Matthew's account of Jesus.

.. ALL of the early first century
Christians obtained knowledge of God and grew
spiritually outside of the Bible, which didn’t even
exist yet.

Without the Bible, who is Jesus?

Men can and will use anything and everything to take advantage of other men.

I already gotta wear shades...! 😎

I actually enjoy these discussions very much. Especially when folks participate with honesty and civility...most especially honesty. I think they ‘do’ do some good. I think they ‘do’ result in more than just arguments. I have learned a lot, and I have gained some valuable insight, from participation on these threads.

some do some don't

Ringman,

I'm trying to think of the places that you're talking about. Can you give me the minute mark on the movie and the exact references you are talking about? I think I know which matthew and mark quote, but need to be sure since there's so many versions that differ.
When I have time, I'll take a look at them.

Hi Ringman.

I agree that we should do what Jesus requires of us.
Since I posted 2 movies, the first was, Eternal or Not.
The other was on the history of the New Testament .
I might be wrong but I'm guessing that you are referring to the first one. I don't remember where anyone said that Jesus changed His mind about baptism. There were lots of interviews so sorry that I missed that. Are you sure that it wasn't one of the introductory religions, since they went to source documents for everything explaining Morman beliefs to Budhism?

I'm using the KJV and looking at Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 16:15-20
I think that you are talking about 16:16
15
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

Do you believe that water baptism is a work required of the believer or baby for salvation?

Just like I said in the beginning of this discussion,you just want to feel that you are right. You have no interest in learning anything. I told you a great truth about the New Covenant VS the Old Covenant and you just totally dismissed it without even looking to your own rule book to see if what I told you was actually true. I won't reply to you again unless you come seeking an education.

In Christian theology there’s this’ism and that’ism and a lot of other ism’s. If you choose to go down a certain path to gain a deeper relationship with, and understanding of God, then so be it. But the path ‘you’ choose to travel to achieve that is ‘not’ the ‘only’ path to travel to achieve that. Others also seek a closer walk with God, and desire to learn of Him even more. To think that the ‘only’ path to that is the one that ‘you’ have chosen is simply not true...more than a little bit. To think that “those grateful souls who have recognized grace for what it is and want to know their Heavenly Father better” ‘only’ accomplish that by going down the path that ‘you’ have chosen is also simply not true...and more than a little bit.That hasn’t been said, or done, on this thread.

People like a lot of things....answers to questions that currently have no answers, life after death, reunion with loved ones, ultimate justice, etc.

I believe Jesus above everyone else. His Word is too clear to miss for the serious Bible student.

Baptism is like signing a check. If you receive a check in the mail as a gift for no reason, are you working to earn the money if you sign it and cash it?

I would love for you to take the time to listen to a "Chosen by God" series by RC Sproul then report back to us on your thoughts.https://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/chosen_by_god/

If you have faith, you know the answers.

The answers you feel are true may not be true. What's more important, believing you have the answers, or searching for the truth....finding out things that may not be palatable, perhaps unacceptable, yet true?

The answers you feel are true may not be true. What's more important, believing you have the answers, or searching for the truth....finding out things that may not be palatable, perhaps unacceptable, yet true?

From Lecture 1 I got that since Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, and Edwards all agree on the Augustinian view of predestination, and in light of the sheer power of their Biblical scholarship, and that they command as much respect as they do, that that should lend much more credence toward me believing in it too. It also reaffirms that God makes His choice about our salvation and ultimate destination before we are even born...and it reaffirms that what God foresees in our life has nothing whatsoever to do with His choice regarding our salvation and ultimate destination...without any consideration of His foreknowledge of our acceptance or rejection with respect to the proclamation of the Gospel.

From Lecture 2 I got that if you don’t believe the part of the Westminster Confession containing these words: “God from all eternity did by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and immutably (that is, without possibility of changing it) ordain whatsoever comes to pass;”— that you are an atheist. It affirms that God is sovereign, and by His sovereignty He decrees anything and everything that happens. And He sovereignly elects, chooses, and redeems some, and the rest He passes over...before they were even born, and without regard to to His foreknowledge of their acceptance or rejection of the gospel. One group gets mercy (salvation), and the other group gets the justice that they deserve (destruction).

stx posts out of confidence.

You post out of fear.

You are the man, a true student of the word. I hope you have time to finish them all.

Fear? No. The very opposite. Fear is believing in things that may not be true,.... Avoiding the likelihood of death without an afterlife comes out of fear.

.. Christianity spread like an airborne
disease during its extreme persecution years before
the Bible ever existed.