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I wish I was so good I didn’t need instructing.
LOL
Spend more time at the range and less time sashaying around here...you *may* improve. That there is pretty funny. Lol. Please offer up more gems.
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Ha Ha Ha, the sheriff wants to be the 'flave. I am anticipating more guidance from this self annoited warrior.
The CF never disappoints.
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So, back to the original post and subject.....
Lots of proponents of semi-autos for a defensive weapon for new and inexperienced users. Lots of "get with the new technology son!" remarks or inferences. For those of you who are proponents, is the main reason cartridge capacity? Um.......no.
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I'll settle this once and for all.............
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Handguns have been flying off the shelves of late, seems like very many of the purchasers ain’t gun people, most will never take a class, more’n a few won’t even go to a range more’n once if they go at all. Listen to the questions they ask at purchase and watch the way they handle the gun like it’s some alien object.
And if they are like that, imagine rest of the people in their household.
So that handgun, loaded or not, is gonna sit around their house for years in a drawer somewhere.
Under those circumstances I’d prefer it was a revolver simply because you can see it’s loaded when you pick it up.
As noted, Sami-autos far outnumber K-frame revolvers on the shelves now, but j-frames are hanging in there.
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I'll settle this once and for all............. Now the question is, how many people here will know what that is 🙂
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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Handguns have been flying off the shelves of late, seems like very many of the purchasers ain’t gun people, most will never take a class, more’n a few won’t even go to a range more’n once if they go at all. Listen to the questions they ask at purchase and watch the way they handle the gun like it’s some alien object.
And if they are like that, imagine rest of the people in their household.
So that handgun, loaded or not, is gonna sit around their house for years in a drawer somewhere.
Under those circumstances I’d prefer it was a revolver simply because you can see it’s loaded when you pick it up.
As noted, Sami-autos far outnumber K-frame revolvers on the shelves now, but j-frames are hanging in there.
That's some great advice. Be sure to remind them to never dry fire it either.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I’m guessing WEBLEY FOSBERY. Complicated piece of machinery, I think.
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I’m guessing WEBLEY FOSBERY. Complicated piece of machinery, I think. Looks like a hunk of schit to me.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I’m guessing WEBLEY FOSBERY. Complicated piece of machinery, I think. Looks like a hunk of schit to me. Yep, compared to the revolvers being put out by S&W and Colt during the same period, it really does.
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It is a Webley Fosbery, I'll take a Colt or Smith & Wesson 1917 over it any day.
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Birdy, you stated that you can tell if a revolver is loaded by looking at it, please illuminate. If I look at the cylinder from the rear i cannot tell if the brass has been fired or not w/out close examination. Do you think the person you described will examine for primer strikes or just look at the gun from the front?
I don't understand why people think that a revolver is the EZ button for an untrained gun owner.
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Birdy, you stated that you can tell if a revolver is loaded by looking at it, please illuminate. If I look at the cylinder from the rear i cannot tell if the brass has been fired or not w/out close examination. Do you think the person you described will examine for primer strikes or just look at the gun from the front?
I don't understand why people think that a revolver is the EZ button for an untrained gun owner.
mike r Birdfugker is the same brainiac that says you shouldn't dry fire. Because his revolver went bang. LOL
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I guess he didn't just look at it. Doesn't everyone know that dryfire will wear out your gun?
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
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I guess he didn't just look at it. Doesn't everyone know that dryfire will wear out your gun?
mike r "Yep. Just a quick glance and then you know it's no...BLAMMO!!!!" LOL
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Birdy, you stated that you can tell if a revolver is loaded by looking at it, please illuminate. If I look at the cylinder from the rear i cannot tell if the brass has been fired or not w/out close examination. Do you think the person you described will examine for primer strikes or just look at the gun from the front?
I don't understand why people think that a revolver is the EZ button for an untrained gun owner.
mike r Didn't say it was an EZ button, I do say the majority, maybe even the vast majority, of people buying stuff at the gun counters in response to a crisis are untrained gun owners. ca. 1972, neighbor's house, NY suburbs. Handguns just weren't a thing many people had in that time and place. Neighbors teenage kid's dad had a snubbie .357 what was in hindsight a k-frame Smith, hidden securely away. Of course kid finds it and when his dad was out we went and looked, first handgun I ever handled. Kid's dad never took him shooting,acted like the gun was a secret, kid had scarcely more experience holding it than I did, and I had never touched a handgun before. Ya ever see someone older than maybe twelve handle a handgun who ain't familiar with 'em? They don't just up and point them, they examine them all over first like a curious monkey, muzzle going everywhere. Yep, them brass cartridges was pretty obvious, dunno that we would have known to look into the cylinder to check if there were bullets (who leaves spent cartridges in a revolver anyway?). He points the revolver at arm's length, presses a bit on the trigger, trigger begins to give, cylinder moves, he stops. I don't recall unloading it, prob'ly we didn't know how because if we did we would have prob'ly unloaded and loaded it again repeatedly. If nothing else just to look at the cartridges. If it had been a Glock... would we have known to drop the magazine and rack the slide? Today maybe from all the movies and video games, absent that, we would have found an inscrutable black handgun with a 1/4" 5.5lb trigger. Some teenage girl just accidentally shot and killed her friend the other week in this town, in this case with a stolen handgun. Been a few over the years not involving stolen guns. I knew a student I always thought well of on account of one time his friends had left him all the way across town, maybe twenty miles and he walked home overnight, didn't b$tch or whine or wake up his mom. I was impressed by that. The following summer he got accidentally shot in the neck by a friend when they were looking at a handgun, bled out and died. Might have been a revolver, but most likely was an auto. Might as well address dry-firing. Yep, early on I put a bullet through a wall dry firing, no one on the other side, nothing got hurt except the wall and my self-esteem. Early in the morning I had disassembled and cleaned my revolver, put it back together. Got interrupted by the coffee pot, came back and idly dry fired the gun at that same spot like I had done prob'ly a hundred times before, except I had forgot that I had reloaded it. Ya, I know I'm a dumb fugh etc etc but I'm in good company. I have read police stations all across America have holes in them. Even Bill Jordan put a hole in a wall once, possibly when dry firing. I figure anything that puts into your muscle memory "pull trigger; harmless click.... pull trigger; harmless click... pull trigger;harmless click" is a bad thing. I still dry fire once in a while, at the range. Most often I'll leave an empty chamber in a revolver to check for flinching or jerking the trigger. I still get a case of the willies at just up and dry-firing an empty gun tho, that one incident made me permanently more careful. I really like the Glock 19, if I could have only one handgun it would be a 19, it is unfortunate tho that you have to dry-fire it before you can take it apart to clean it. I figure lots of Cops and Security Guards, not usually gun people, dry-fire their Glocks to take it apart as much as they fire it live. We had a Sheriffs Deputy fatally shoot herself in the abdomen here once after she had apparently got the "drop magazine... rack slide" order wrong when she "unloaded" it and then depressed the trigger. A similar thing was posted on video here some time back where a guy's adult son had handed his dad a Glock and the dad thought it was already cleared, shot himself in the hand as he pulled the trigger so he could remove the slide. Same thing; his muscle memory told him "pull trigger; harmless click"... when you're disassembling a Glock. Of course the rules of safe gun handling were broken in every incidence, but humans is fallible. I'm sure YMMV.
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Birdy, you stated that you can tell if a revolver is loaded by looking at it, please illuminate. mike r OMG I can actually teach YOU something 🙂 We can lay a bunch of revolvers on a table, some loaded, some empty, and you can try to see just by looking which have cartridges in ‘em and which don’t. I’ll help if you get it wrong.....
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Stories of absolute dumbasses mishandling guns is hardly an argument for what’s more user friendly .
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Bill Jordan accidentally shot and killed another Border Patrol officer while practicing his fast draw in his office. The .357 bullet went through the wall and struck the other officer typing a report in the adjoining room.
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[quote=Birdwatcher][quote=Savuti] I'll settle this once and for all............. ————————————- Now the question is, how many people here will know what that is 🙂 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I’m not sure.......but it would make a good hammer.
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