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Cleckner is a Vortex fanboy from what he says. Never heard him mention a Leupold.
I think it comes down to if your a good shooter, you can make the best of anything.
Vortex works until it don't................... MM
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Ryan Cleckner is on Fox News Tucker Carlson again.
There it is. Proof that Leupolds can hang with the big dogs. Forget that no one who competes will risk using one. Aren't most all of the guys in your pics close combat specialist? Nope. Did you ever hunt with Markus Lutrell ? I saw him on a lot of hunting shows years back and then he disappeared all of the sudden. As I remember he was a sniper but I never saw anybody miss so many easy chip shots at game in my life. That really surprised me and made me wonder WTF is going on ?
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Cleckner is a Vortex fanboy from what he says. Never heard him mention a Leupold.
I think it comes down to if your a good shooter, you can make the best of anything.
Vortex works until it don't................... MM Ain't that the way with everything ?
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It appears anything that increases the chance for a kill is good for the mighty hunters of the campfire. No point beating around the bush. We should just legalize bait, spot lights, dogs, night vision scopes, aircraft and 24/7 hunting hours. WTF it don't matter how or when so long as you get to kill something. You are a chick, right? Nothing wrong with that but you just seem really emotional and irrational. No but I don't live in denial of reality. Fair enough, just having a bit of fun bustin ballz. It is the Optic Forum. I will agree you are good at that and have a good sense of humor to boot. These biches is about to hug it out up in here. I think JB and the dude with his pants down are past the hugging stage. LOL š
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Whereās Cummins? All this thread needs now is a couple C clamps and a playground ... and maybe a 700 yard headshot on a ālope. Moving headshot! š Speaking of head shots...Hereās Fred 890 yard skull cracking on a doe goat in Wyoming last year...This was a bloodfest of CampFire fighting delight. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/14205071/1
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Whereās Cummins? All this thread needs now is a couple C clamps and a playground ... and maybe a 700 yard headshot on a ālope. Moving headshot! š Speaking of head shots...Hereās Fred 890 yard skull cracking on a doe goat in Wyoming last year...This was a bloodfest of CampFire fighting delight. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/14205071/1How did I miss that? That was one hell of a shot. Leupold?
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Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
šš They are to busy perusing the Leupold website planning their purchases. My next one is going to be a VX-5HD 3-15x44 CDS Since you brought up this scope I have question for you guys that are more knowledgeable about long range shooting than I am. I have a Kimber 280AI that currently carries a Leupold VX3 that I have zero issues with. I would however like to put a dialed scope on it to increase my range. The two scopes I have looked at are the NF SHV 3-10x42 and the Leupold VX5 HD 3-15x44 CDS. I do not reload and would be shooting Nosler 140grain Accubonds. Is it worth it or am I spinning my wheels? Any advice would be much appreciated. Personally, the NF 3-10 is a smidge on the low side for magnification, imo, where the VX5 @ 3-15 you might appreciate the extra power if you want to stretch your AI out farther. Look at the NF SHV 4-14x50 F1 If you find yourself questioning Leupold tracking. SHV is a good scope, albeit a heavier optic. https://www.nightforceoptics.com/riflescopes/shv/shv-4-14x50-f1š
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Whereās Cummins? All this thread needs now is a couple C clamps and a playground ... and maybe a 700 yard headshot on a ālope. Moving headshot! š Speaking of head shots...Hereās Fred 890 yard skull cracking on a doe goat in Wyoming last year...This was a bloodfest of CampFire fighting delight. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/14205071/1How did I miss that? That was one hell of a shot. Leupold? NF NXS 3.5-15x50 MOAR over a 6.5 SAUM š
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Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
šš They are to busy perusing the Leupold website planning their purchases. My next one is going to be a VX-5HD 3-15x44 CDS Since you brought up this scope I have question for you guys that are more knowledgeable about long range shooting than I am. I have a Kimber 280AI that currently carries a Leupold VX3 that I have zero issues with. I would however like to put a dialed scope on it to increase my range. The two scopes I have looked at are the NF SHV 3-10x42 and the Leupold VX5 HD 3-15x44 CDS. I do not reload and would be shooting Nosler 140grain Accubonds. Is it worth it or am I spinning my wheels? Any advice would be much appreciated. Personally, the NF 3-10 is a smidge on the low side for magnification, imo, where the VX5 @ 3-15 you might appreciate the extra power if you want to stretch your AI out farther. Look at the NF SHV 4-14x50 F1 If you find yourself questioning Leupold tracking. SHV is a good scope, albeit a heavier optic. https://www.nightforceoptics.com/riflescopes/shv/shv-4-14x50-f1š Appreciate the feed back. I looked at the 4-14x50 as well and did notice it was 30 ounces compared to the Leupold 19 ounces. Can the weight really make that big of a difference on a gun like mine? I have zero issues with Leupold tracking. Iāve killed everything I have [bleep] at with it and my only miss was user error...
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Whereās Cummins? All this thread needs now is a couple C clamps and a playground ... and maybe a 700 yard headshot on a ālope. Moving headshot! š Speaking of head shots...Hereās Fred 890 yard skull cracking on a doe goat in Wyoming last year...This was a bloodfest of CampFire fighting delight. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/14205071/1How did I miss that? That was one hell of a shot. Leupold? NF NXS 3.5-15x50 MOAR over a 6.5 SAUM š Tracking the leade on a bobbing 1/2 MOA noggin in both x and y axis at 900 yds is pretty sporty. Pretty sure I would want the chest shot. But what do I know?
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Looks like the menstruation has ended? Iām was about ready to ship out some Midol.
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Whereās Cummins? All this thread needs now is a couple C clamps and a playground ... and maybe a 700 yard headshot on a ālope. Moving headshot! š Speaking of head shots...Hereās Fred 890 yard skull cracking on a doe goat in Wyoming last year...This was a bloodfest of CampFire fighting delight. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/14205071/1How did I miss that? That was one hell of a shot. Leupold? NF NXS 3.5-15x50 MOAR over a 6.5 SAUM š Tracking the leade on a bobbing 1/2 MOA noggin in both x and y axis at 900 yds is pretty sporty. Pretty sure I would want the chest shot. But what do I know? You fall into the 99% category of members who replied to that thread. š
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Just hunt inside a high fence then. No chance to get away and obviously some still consider it sport.
One of the most difficult (from a mentally challenging standpoint) hunts I've done was in a relatively small high fence area for fallow deer in Argentina. I didn't see a deer for 4 days, with a guide. Finally on day 5 I got an opportunity on a smallish buck, roughly equivalent to a 2x2 whitetail. The easiest hunt? Ever been dumped out of a supercub a day in front of a migrating herd of caribou a hundred miles from any road, even on a DIY hunt? What about Alaskan moose (once you actually find one, that is)? "Fair chase" isn't always what it seems.
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How did I miss that? That was one hell of a shot. Leupold?
NF NXS 3.5-15x50 MOAR over a 6.5 SAUMš Tracking the leade on a bobbing 1/2 MOA noggin in both x and y axis at 900 yds is pretty sporty. Pretty sure I would want the chest shot. But what do I know? You fall into the 99% category of members who replied to that thread. š Having put the whack on a few critters well beyond that shot I might not fall right into any category. Moving in 2 axises noggins at 900 yds are not testaments of skill. Dude got lucky and goat was unlucky. It is what it is.
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Just hunt inside a high fence then. No chance to get away and obviously some still consider it sport.
One of the most difficult (from a mentally challenging standpoint) hunts I've done was in a relatively small high fence area for fallow deer in Argentina. I didn't see a deer for 4 days, with a guide. Finally on day 5 I got an opportunity on a smallish buck, roughly equivalent to a 2x2 whitetail. The easiest hunt? Ever been dumped out of a supercub a day in front of a migrating herd of caribou a hundred miles from any road, even on a DIY hunt? What about Alaskan moose (once you actually find one, that is)? "Fair chase" isn't always what it seems. Obviously the fenced area was too big. We've got one here in NY I went and visited one time. Had about 30 acres fenced with a half dozen big bull elk inside and almost no cover. Could have shot any one of them from just about any point around the perimeter of the fence. Guy told me most of his clients were high rollers from NYC who pay a kings ransom just to shoot a big bull to hang on the wall and don't care how or where they do it. He called them over to the edge of the fence so my old lady could pet them.
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Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact.
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How did I miss that? That was one hell of a shot. Leupold?
NF NXS 3.5-15x50 MOAR over a 6.5 SAUMš Tracking the leade on a bobbing 1/2 MOA noggin in both x and y axis at 900 yds is pretty sporty. Pretty sure I would want the chest shot. But what do I know? You fall into the 99% category of members who replied to that thread. š Having put the whack on a few critters well beyond that shot I might not fall right into any category. Moving in 2 axises noggins at 900 yds are not testaments of skill. Dude got lucky and goat was unlucky. It is what it is. LOL...Thatās what 99% said. Like you defending Leupold. I was trying my best to support a pard, who was getting thrashed. š¬š
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Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact. You know, when I was younger I thought I might like to go out west for elk and to Alaska for moose and brown bear. Later I realized I don't have the room for the mounts and I'm just addicted to hunting whitetails anyway. We've got black bears here too and the season is open concurrently with deer. I shot a medium sized one incidentally while deer hunting 30 years ago. Didn't care for the meat and regretted wasting deer hunting time getting it out of the woods and processing it. I've seen several others over the years, including one real bruiser and never shot another. I don't want anything taking time away from deer hunting.
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Those places do exist, but my point is that not all high fence operations are canned hunts. Sometimes in some countries it just makes it a legal hunt, and hunting pressure has a HUGE impact. Ted, Not all guided moose hunts are easy and successful? Speak the truth, here. Whatās the real world expectation on getting crosshairs on a shootable bull? Shootable, meaning big freezer loaded with meat. š
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Can someone else start fighting with Burns?,,,,,,Please!
šš Hey Beave, What happened to Fred?
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