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That's true. But people who are a net loss to the nation should not be voting at all. I'm sure you believe yourself to be valuable. Value to the nation is not for you to decide. It's not a monetary calculation, and it changes over time and from moment to moment. You can't base rights on some persons whim of what it means to be valuable.
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this country started where only men that owned property could vote. no women could vote. they had it right the first time
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Not voting, they have told me they will pray about it. Appreciate the confirmation. Thanks.
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If Biden somehow wins, expect Philadelphia style riots every time the Left has a hissy fit. In reality though, the riots in Philly are only an opportunity to mass steal, and then for college professors to teach your kid that it is justified.
"...aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one." - Paul to the church in Thessalonica.
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If the Amish decide to vote it's only because they don't want anyone else assuming their position as the biggest fleecers of this country.
But like most civic responsibilities, I'm sure they'll sit at home and leave it to white people to handle. what do you mean about the Amish being fleecers? Where would I even begin? I could give plenty of examples but the crowd on here that visited the Hollywood version of the Amish in tourist traps all over the USA , would tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll give you one small example. The state I live in has one of the largest amish populations in the country. We also have the highest fuel tax in the country. Part of that tax is supposedly earmarked for state highway maintainence. The Amish buggies running up and down these state owned roads, causing danger to motorists, and dropping horse [bleep] everywhere, don't pay fuel tax to support those roads. I'd imagine that if a person calculated what the average resident of this state pays in fuel tax in their lifetime it would be mind boggling. The last time I checked it was something like 55 cents a gallon. Now imagine that total for a lifetime. The Amish do not pay that and gave full use of those roads. That is one elementary example of the bullchit that this cult gets away with.
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That's true. But people who are a net loss to the nation should not be voting at all. I'm sure you believe yourself to be valuable. Value to the nation is not for you to decide. It's not a monetary calculation, and it changes over time and from moment to moment. You can't base rights on some persons whim of what it means to be valuable. Of course it's not a monetary calculation. Should felons be allowed to vote? I mean they are supposedly rehabilitated when released, right? So it's not punitive in nature , and it's not monetary. Who gets to decide their worth to the country? Seeing as it's a non monetary thing, should Amish be allowed to vote even though they are exempt from other civic duties like the selective services? Should anyone?
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That's true. But people who are a net loss to the nation should not be voting at all. That's going to stop a lot of folks from voting, a whole lot. It's an idea worth exploring. Any body retired and drawing a social security payment? Any person not paying an income tax? Any American Indian on a reservation? Any disabled person? Military personnel and any other government employee? Any student not employed and especially one on a scholarship? Welfare recipients? Amish farmers? People living off grid? Politicians? Sounds like maybe a good idea.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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Go through your list on your own and use some common sense
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The only one that's a tricky question is retired people on social security, and people on legitimate social security disability.
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Any body retired and drawing a social security payment? - as I said before this is a slippery slope.
Any person not paying an income tax? -no brainer that will answer some of your other examples.
Any American Indian on a reservation? -if they recognize the sovereignty of the us government over them and follow all laws including tax laws, yes
Any disabled person? - legitimate disability of course
Military personnel and any other government employee? Of course military personnel are a net gain to this country. Other government employees who pay income taxes are as as well, I'm not sure what you were going for here. ?
Any student not employed and especially one on a scholarship? Being a student does not disqualify someone from contributing to society or being employed. I'm not sure what bring on scholarship has to do with it?
Welfare recipients? -hell no
Amish farmers? Same deal as native Americans and everyone else. You do know that all Amish are not farmers right? And if they were , who cares?
People living off grid? - same rules apply to them as everyone else. I don't care where they live or what kind of utilities they have.
Politicians? - not while in office.
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If the Amish decide to vote it's only because they don't want anyone else assuming their position as the biggest fleecers of this country.
But like most civic responsibilities, I'm sure they'll sit at home and leave it to white people to handle. what do you mean about the Amish being fleecers? Where would I even begin? I could give plenty of examples but the crowd on here that visited the Hollywood version of the Amish in tourist traps all over the USA , would tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll give you one small example. The state I live in has one of the largest amish populations in the country. We also have the highest fuel tax in the country. Part of that tax is supposedly earmarked for state highway maintainence. The Amish buggies running up and down these state owned roads, causing danger to motorists, and dropping horse [bleep] everywhere, don't pay fuel tax to support those roads. I'd imagine that if a person calculated what the average resident of this state pays in fuel tax in their lifetime it would be mind boggling. The last time I checked it was something like 55 cents a gallon. Now imagine that total for a lifetime. The Amish do not pay that and gave full use of those roads. That is one elementary example of the bullchit that this cult gets away with. road tax with registrations goes by weight being the heavier the vehicle the more damage to the road. wagons do no damage and the gas road taxes are partially stolen and the rest used to pad pensions. the county and state for a big job has to get federal funding. bicycles pay no tax and use the roads also I worked for a laminated beam company building churches. most were for the amish. we would go to their bake sales and where they had food never got ripped off and they were real nice
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Congrats on never being ripped of on your cookies
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Epstein didn't kill himself.
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The only one that's a tricky question is retired people on social security, and people on legitimate social security disability. Most social security recipients are a drain on the treasury. Should they vote? Military and government employees are also draining the treasury. Even though I'm only semi retired I am probably a net negative for the treasury. Maybe a person should have to prove they are paying and not receiving. My wife is a pediatric nurse practitioner but I bet more than half her pay originates from Medicaid so I guess in a way she is a negative to the treasury. There are a bunch we could cut off from voting and then we could get by with cutting off their "entitlements". An idea worth exploring.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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It's worth noting that if socialist social programs like social security were never implemented by socialist politicians, it would be a non issue. Hence my original statement. I said they shouldn't be voting, not that it was realistic or attainable.
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The only one that's a tricky question is retired people on social security, and people on legitimate social security disability. Most social security recipients are a drain on the treasury. Should they vote? Military and government employees are also draining the treasury. Even though I'm only semi retired I am probably a net negative for the treasury. Maybe a person should have to prove they are paying and not receiving. My wife is a pediatric nurse practitioner but I bet more than half her pay originates from Medicaid so I guess in a way she is a negative to the treasury. There are a bunch we could cut off from voting and then we could get by with cutting off their "entitlements". An idea worth exploring. Yep we should fix it the way the British and Europeans did it a while ago. Only the landed gentry and noblemen can vote.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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There was a certain amount of sarcasm in my post, but there is something to be said for only responsible citizens voting but alas that will not happen.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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The only one that's a tricky question is retired people on social security, and people on legitimate social security disability. Most social security recipients are a drain on the treasury. Should they vote? Military and government employees are also draining the treasury. Even though I'm only semi retired I am probably a net negative for the treasury. Maybe a person should have to prove they are paying and not receiving. My wife is a pediatric nurse practitioner but I bet more than half her pay originates from Medicaid so I guess in a way she is a negative to the treasury. There are a bunch we could cut off from voting and then we could get by with cutting off their "entitlements". An idea worth exploring. Yep we should fix it the way the British and Europeans did it a while ago. Only the landed gentry and noblemen can vote. Nice attempt at sarcasm, but you're really not far from the truth if you want to see this country survive. Otherwise, ypure at the mercy of people who vote for a living rather than work for a living.
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Are the Amish generally democrats? A good friend of mine is PA Dutch. He's told me that the Amish and Mennonites are mostly non-participants in the political process, but that changed in 2016. The Amish are no doubt worried about Biden raising electric rates. I don't know about electrical rates, but kerosene and lamp oil prices will go sky high when Gibberish Joe gets done with the oil industry......lol.
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Hows this..
To vote you have to be a citizen employed to at a income level of at least 20 hours a week at minimum wage on the last tax return. If you can do this for 40 quarters ( the same as to earn an old age SS benefit), you keep the franchise for life. Married folks filing jointly can also gain the franchise if the joint return has income the equivalent of 40 hours a week at federal minimum wage.
The collection of taxes which are not absolutely required, which do not beyond reasonable doubt contribute to public welfare, is only a species of legalized larceny. Under this Republic the rewards of industry belong to those who earn them. Coolidge
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