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Someone needs to get the ball rolling, maybe others will follow.

Yes, it will probably cost him a little in the long run; however, I think doing the right thing is worth the cost. Being able to carry on and say I ain't no hypocrite.

once again ... I agree ... never said the extra cost wasn't worth it ... just that it does cost more ... (grin)

In reality it's not the illegal immigrants' fault he gets hired to do work, nor to receive any benefit imaginable. The fault can be placed with the employer who is hiring the illegal immigrant, and with the governments (local, Federal, etc.) who make it possible.

Although there are plenty of illegals from latin America in the USA, there are even more that are here legally (and I oppose the almost unlimited immigration policy). Here in Colorado, it would be unusual to find the entire crew illegal.......

I bet there are lots of companies that hire legal aliens/work permitees that are in the landscaping biz--even in Dixe.

Casey

Somebody ought to beat the chit out of that "foreman".
I'm surprized that our nations's unions haven't taken a stronger stand against this...they are the ones being castrated.

They have a landscaping union? Who'd a thunk?

When I was in high school I'd have been on that crew and so would some of my classmates. I did lots of jobs just like that one from the time I was 16 until I joined the Navy at 18. Part of the problem is our teenagers now days all want to start in middle management and retire at 30 from Microsoft and don't know what work is.

I'm a union electrician, my brother in law is a union plumber, a friend runs a union carpenter crew and every one of us see a lack of work ethic in our youth. It's no wonder that someone that wants a day's work for a day's pay hires Mexicans or someone else, legal or not, that will actually work for the money.

It's not just our government or our employers that are to blame. It's parents that raise lazy kids with sense of entitlement that feel they are above getting sweaty for a day's pay.

It doesnt help that the school system frowns on labor and trades. In high school (which wasn't very long ago) I never heard a word about the trade's or apprenticeship programs. Since I've graduated high school every teacher I've spoken with and told them that I was working construction, they just say "oh, well somebody has to do it" Not until a couple years after school did I learn about apprenticeship programs and now I'll be starting the program this fall. Moral of the story is, schools don't really lay out all the options for students.

Go ahead and call ICE. Since the foreman and owner admitted, expressly or tacitly, that their employees were illegal aliens, that puts them in the position of knowingly employing illegals. But DON'T tell the owner you're calling ICE. I hate it when people do that. Just do it!! Let him find out when ICE pays him a visit, if they do. Too many people want to get that jab in and say "I'm calling the cops...!" first. Don't taunt them or give them a heads-up that you're dropping a dime on them...let the call itself be the jab!

And yes, a lot of those Mexicans do work hard, often harder than an American would and for less money, some of which they may send home, and they may live packed to a ridiculous number in a motel or apartment room. And the employer is probably right...he/she would probably never find Americans willing to do that work for that pay in a million years. Mebbeso I'd do the same thing as the illegals, if I was in their position.

But their negative effects are also real. Hospitals that take indigents with full waiting rooms. People driving with no DL because they have no papers, or they had a DL which was suspended for DUI, or whatever reason. Gangs and drive-by's. Backdoor citizenship, wherein they get to America, have a kid, then claim it's cruel to breakup the family by deporting the parents, so please leave them here for the kids' sake, oh, guess what, they might as well be citizens now. Disturbance calls on Saturday and Sunday morning because unless most folks who drink till the wee hours and then go to bed, these bozo's drink all night long right into the next day and then the trouble starts around dawn. It's a friggin' mess.

But you can't deport them, because 'there's too many of them'. As long as we keep giving illegals 'a path to citizenship', they will keep coming, because even they can understand that if they can stay under the radar until the next 'immigration crisis', they will be given 'a path to citizenship' because the politicans say 'there's too many of them to deport'. The commission of a crime en masse makes it unpunishable? Or is it that each party wants to be their benefactor in hopes that when they become citizens and get the right to vote they will register and vote as (fill in the blank).

Intellectually, while the argument that 'there's too many to deport' may in practicality be correct, in principle it is indefensible. Good God, how many insurgents are there over in Iraq, and yet we have an entire army over there halfway around the world trying to ferret them out! People shouldn't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining...it insults my intelligence, and that I just plain don't like.

America has always been known as 'The Melting Pot', with it's arms open to the oppressed and poor and disenfranchised of other countries. And immigrants, from all countries, have historically contributed much to this nation, both in it's growth, and in it's culture. And no one says folks shouldn't be proud of their heritage. But if America is the Melting Pot, then melt, dammit! If you come to this country intending to remain here and enjoy it's horn of plenty and the fruits of liberty, then become an American. Not a Mexican-American, or an African-American, or an English-American. Become an American!! Learn to speak our language, and use it. What you speak at home is your businss, but don't expect the clerk at Wal-Mart or the Driver's License office employee to speak a foreign language. And for damn sure if you decide to wave a flag in this country, it better be an American flag!

If I found a magic lamp, and there was a genie inside who would grant me 3 wishes, he could keep 2 of them. I only wish that I was wiser than I am.

If you're asking me what the answer is to the problem, I'll tell you the truth. I don't know. It's a very complex issue, and has many elements on a legal, economic, moral, and humanitarian basis.

I'm curious as to how an employer handles any required (FICA/fed./state/local tax) withholdings for workers that he knows or strongly suspects their documentation is fake and are in this country illegally.

Does the employer simply send in their withholdings to the appropriate agencies as with any legal employee?

What happens to their money then since no accounts actually exist in their name?

Is it possible some unscrupulous employers might be keeping the withholdings themselves, figuring, "What the hell, who are they going to go to complain"?

I always admire somebody who sticks to principle even when it costs him something.

So kudos on that.

But of course I'm happy to see illegal aliens employed and working hard.

First, cheap labor is good for everybody.

Second, they're certainly not competing with me for jobs.

Third, it's a whole lot better than having them on the welfare rolls, right?

The immigration problem is caused by too much government. (Minimum wage and handouts, in this case.) Bringing more government into the issue will only make it worse, the way it always does. Most people don't understand this; therefore, I expect presently more government will be brought into the issue and it will get worse. Given that, the smart play is to learn to deal with it and perhaps even profit from it, not get all in a tizzy about it and demand even more government.

So...since I don't share your perspective, I wouldn't have done what you did; but even though I disagree with what you did, I admire you for doing it.

As far as I know they send it in using the SS number they were given by the illegal. In fact I have a lawyer friend that's working on a case like that. The guy was illegal and got caught because the SS# he was using for 17 years was actually for woman who is getting ready to retire now. He's not an illegal Mexican though...he's Canadian.

Or perhaps an unscrupulous government is happy to have all that "extra" money coming in that it knows it won't ever have to pay out (Social Security, etc.)?

What would I have done? I would have gone out and talked to them and gotten to know them... but that's just me.

Penny

SAKO75: I was in that position last year. I needed a walkway built that I couldn't do myself, and I was adamant that there'd be no illegal labor on my property. Turns out that I couldn't get contractor to return a call or come around to give me an estimate. I never even got a chance to explain my conditions for letting out the work. Obviously a result of "the worst economy since the Great Depression". I eventually found a guy who worked with his two brothers, and they were all legal. That was just a stroke of luck, though. It's getting near impossible to find contractors who won't use them.

Cheap labor does not out weigh the burden on our health care system that is about busted anyways and believe me, illegals find ways to get on the welfare and food stamps. My girlfriend works for the county and I know for a fact they have county employees that aid these illegals in getting these services. Also the jobs they do that no one else would do would be great jobs for those people who sit on welfare and food stamps for years and years and not lift a finger.

Call ICE, and get some sort of DOC. # on your report, ....request a follow up call from them......as to how they proceed against this "Contractor".

He IS a 5th columnists, ya' know.

You did the right thing, bro.

GTC

I wonder who'll get to claim the benefits, the Illegal, the lady, or does S.S. say, "neither, it's ours now"?

Pretty much what I expect, too, Penny.

Of course they do. But that's a good thing, not a bad thing. It points up the bankruptcy of the system and pushes it closer to collapse. Wouldn't you like to see the socialist government welfare system collapse--especially given that it's one of the two main causes of illegal immigration?


Again, you're right; but in the absence of illegal aliens, can you think of any way to persuade the people you're talking about to actually lift a finger?

Me either.

Except...if the government welfare system collapses and they're forced to work or starve.

That'd fetch 'em, all right.

And that's exactly where illegal aliens are taking us.

More power to 'em, that's what I say.

Muledude you are such a numbskull, hiring illegals because you THINK they do a better job than American labor is just pizzin in the wind. You blame the unions for the inadequacy of the American work force again you are 180 degrees off The down fall of American labor was the greed of business who want unions out so they can hire cheap labor at the expence of the rest of us to build your project. You are part of the problem not the answer. We need unions now as much or more than we needed them in their inception. But power corrups and absolute power corrupts absolutly. See George Bush for an example or Jimmy Hoffa.
Lets get rid of the illegal invaders and get our country back for the citizens of this country and put our kids and grandkids to work rebuilding this once great country, not the illegal invaders or their kids.

Bullwnkl.

We can be part of the problem or part of the solution. Congratulations on having morals and a back bone.
I have found the job costs the same with illegals doing the work as legal labor, the owner of the company just pockets what he saves on labor costs, to cover his tail in case he gets caught or has to pay out of pocket for medical expenses.
Also if one of his illegals gets injured on your property and the contractor has no coverage for them guess who their attorney will sue.