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If you want to blame anybody, blame your democrat friend, neighbor or relative.

It's good that you want more government in your life, because under Biden and the Democrat House and Senate, you'll be getting plenty of that.

No sheit

You don't need any kind of license to sell commercially loaded ammunition. You need a Type 6 FFL if you're going to manufacture ammo for sale (reload for profit).

The only way to get into any sort of trouble "flipping" commercial ammo would be if the IRS thought you weren't paying the taxes on the profits.

Lots of small town convenience and hardware stores have a small section of ammo on the shelf sans any manner of FFL related to the business.

Razorback, are you perhaps the President or Sergeant at Arms of your HOA?

This is Biblical in the scope of having plenty of warning and still ignoring the signs. Old Testament story of 7 lean years and plenty of time to prepare and New Testament 10 virgins with lamps and only 5 with oil.

It is not a fairness doctrine, it is simply being smarter than a door knob. I will bet most of the idiots complaining about hoarding and shortages, don’t fill up their cars with gas until the gauge registers empty or close to it.

It’s pretty easy. It’s called the market. Raise prices until demand starts to soften. When that happens, supply will catch up as demand falls. When demand falls sufficiently, and supply is plentiful, prices will fall as well.

Lack of planning and foresight on your part does not constitute a crisis on my part.

Neither. Auction is the way to go.

This. Exactly.

Our Constitution fits into the category of a just law. It gives the federal government the right to regulate interstate commerce. If you sell something to someone in another state, you are engaging in interstate commerce and are subject to federal laws and regulations. On the other hand, under the Constitution, the individual states have the Constitutional authority over INTRAstate commerce, so rock on with whatever in-state face-to-face sales you want to conduct - that's under your state's laws.

This ammo shortage has hurt me.
I received a new tow from my son for Christmas
He was kind enough to also give a few boxes of ammo.
I have been able to get two more boxes so far[haven't gotten on any waiting lists, yet].
It sux but hey life goes on and I've plenty for everything else that I have.
I'll slowly but surely stock up for this one over time.

Every gun store I've been in lately has limits in place or at least so they say. But limits vs no limits, I think either way we're fuqed for the foreseeable future.

A lot of guys here saying that the ammo market as it is now is capitalism, and that's mostly true, but there are aspects of it that make it incomplete. Capitalism is unfettered voluntary exchange of private goods and services, meaning someone owns them, and decides what happens to them. The ammo manufacturers are not unfettered in how they are able to produce their products. They have hundreds of government edicts they must follow for the "privilege" of manufacturing, selling, and distributing ammo and components.

What we are seeing now is an authentic scarcity brought on by panic buying (a very real aspect of the free market in the best of times), authentic scarcity brought on by higher demand for ammo due to a greater number of firearms owners and users, authentic scarcity brought on by Remington's ammunition production facilities having to largely fold due to them not doing typical maintenance and replacement of worn out equipment, artificial scarcity due to high barriers of entry into the production side due to government regulation of accellerants, explosives, and lead, artificial scarcity in the work force due to Covid regulations and government subsidies (handouts so that people don't seek employment), and most significantly, artificial scarcity because, due to several obvious and some unclear factors, no significant investment is being made to increase production of ammo and primers, even though all the market signals are in place to do so. This last is where we seem to argue back and forth, with some contending that it is too high a barrier for not enough reward, particularly given the time investment involved.

I assert that, given the real price of ammo and components, as shown on auction sites like Gunbroker, there is some artificial pressure being applied to the big manufacturers to discourage them from permanently increasing ammunition supplies in the US by investing in new manufacturing capability, even though all the ingredients exist in the market already for them to turn larger profits by increasing production. The increased demand isn't going away any time soon.

The only reason I can imagine that they wouldn't want to increase production is they think demand will fall off sharply when the Baby Boomers die off, and their guns and ammo are distributed through the market.

Don't have any demorat "friends".

Dumbass relatives, however..

No, the reason ammo makers don’t want to invest heavily in new manufacturing facilities is because there is no actual shortage. This is a bubble. Given that .22 LR alone amounts to four or five billion rounds a year produced, there could literally be hundreds of billions of rounds of ammunition in the US alone. There is no shortage. This is the Tulip Bubble. Eventually, people will realize that there is all this ammo out there and demand will drop to virtually nothing, maybe for a long long time.

Your only fugged if you did' t prepare. And if you did prepare and aren't good with your plan because your worried about some twit who didn't prepare your still fugged. You are only responsible for you and yours that's what life as a man is about. Some can't or won't figure that out then whine around like a dull saw blade about " what's FAIR fug them Biden voters life ain't fair period..

Don't discount incompetence at the manufactures as a possibility. Big companies have their own internal "deep states" they have to contend with... entrenched status quo thinking that is almost impossible to overcome. Hell, you see it here. Suggest that the ammo companies learn to scale for capacity and you'll see a 100 reasons why that's impossible.

That first video by the Federal CEO said a lot. I've never seen a CEO get indignant with their customers like that, particularly as their customers are literally throwing their money at him.

It's hard to factor in incompetence. Profit motives work well, even for those with IQ well below a functional level. There does seem to be a cut-off, but I doubt that any of the people making decisions for these companies has an IQ below 50. That's why I assert there is more involved than is publicly discussed. Because, as you said, customers are willing to literally throw money at these companies. Can anyone here relate? Does anyone here think that solving a few problems to increase production isn't worth it, when you can pick a price-point several hundred percent above your recent price-point for the new production capacity, at least for the next 5 years? Hell, the new manufacturing would pay for itself in two, tops, and then it would be raining dollars. Anyone here think that's a hard pass?

Yeah, the Federal CEO video was not a good effort.
2nd one was a little better but still poisoned by the fist

Shoulda hired a bimbo w big tits to do the vid

very correct statment