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About the same thing happened to me. I purchased a case 2000 230 gr 45 cal coated cast bullets from DG bullets. Package arrived from my small local post office in a garbage bag with a note attached stating "torn open on arrival". The bullets were well packaged in multiple heavy bags wrapped in bubble wrap in a HD box completely taped over with duck tape but I think it had been used as a wheel chock for USPS 18 wheelers, tossed from great heights, etc. I sent DG bullets photos and counted bullets - 197 short. DG sent me a 250 pak to to replace them! Great customer service - I can recommend DG bullets - NOT the seller on this post!


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
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I just looked at your post history. You came here to trade in the classifieds. I find it remarkable that you don't understand your responsibility as a shipper. You should have used reinforced tape. It cannot possibly break under the weight of the contents and is much more abrasion resistant. If you had used the correct tape to seal the box, then the post office would have a hard time denying a claim saying that it wasn't properly packaged.

Now you have ensured that your trading days here are over. I hope it was worth it to you.

As an aside, this is why I don't buy and sell in the classifieds. There are a lot of potential problems that I just don't want to deal with. What happens when the mail carrier delivers it 4 doors down and checks the delivered box? Who owns the loss there?


Won’t mean much but I’d vouch for you Paul.


I appreciate it, but given my luck, I don't recommend anyone ever conduct business with me.

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Originally Posted by Willicd76


Usps priority comes with $50 ins. If you want more, id have to get the rate.



This is no where near what would be necessary for you to make the claim you’re resting upon.

If you’d have said, “Usps priority comes with $50 ins. If you want more, id have to get the rate. if you choose not to buy more and something goes wrong in shipping that’s on you. Let me know.” This thread wouldn’t have even been necessary.

You owe him the full refund.

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Originally Posted by Willicd76
I CANT STAND THE GANG MENTALITY THAT IS SO PREVALENT ON THE WWW THESE DAYS. IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED, EVERYONE OF YOU WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IF SOMEONE CANT UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE CONCEPT OF DECLINING INSURANCE COVERAGE BY THE BUYER, I CANT MAKE IT ANYMORE CLEAR. IVE ALREADY REQUESTED TO BE BANNED FROM THESE FORUMS. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING BUSINESS HERE IN THE FUTURE. IT WILL BE FACE TO FACE AND HAND TO HAND FROM NOW ON.


This reply cracked me up. Classic example of “I refuse to look in the mirror because I am the real idiot”. Furthermore he goes all CAPS to make sure we know he’s real serious now.

On a positive note I do love how this website purges morons like this, feeling better already with this guy moving along . . .

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Originally Posted by cfran
Originally Posted by Willicd76
I CANT STAND THE GANG MENTALITY THAT IS SO PREVALENT ON THE WWW THESE DAYS. IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED, EVERYONE OF YOU WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IF SOMEONE CANT UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE CONCEPT OF DECLINING INSURANCE COVERAGE BY THE BUYER, I CANT MAKE IT ANYMORE CLEAR. IVE ALREADY REQUESTED TO BE BANNED FROM THESE FORUMS. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING BUSINESS HERE IN THE FUTURE. IT WILL BE FACE TO FACE AND HAND TO HAND FROM NOW ON.


This reply cracked me up. Classic example of “I refuse to look in the mirror because I am the real idiot”. Furthermore he goes all CAPS to make sure we know he’s real serious now.

On a positive note I do love how this website purges morons like this, feeling better already with this guy moving along . . .



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Something tells me the OP will be back under a different name. Hopefully someone will remember his address.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by cfran
Originally Posted by Willicd76
I CANT STAND THE GANG MENTALITY THAT IS SO PREVALENT ON THE WWW THESE DAYS. IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED, EVERYONE OF YOU WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IF SOMEONE CANT UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE CONCEPT OF DECLINING INSURANCE COVERAGE BY THE BUYER, I CANT MAKE IT ANYMORE CLEAR. IVE ALREADY REQUESTED TO BE BANNED FROM THESE FORUMS. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING BUSINESS HERE IN THE FUTURE. IT WILL BE FACE TO FACE AND HAND TO HAND FROM NOW ON.


This reply cracked me up. Classic example of “I refuse to look in the mirror because I am the real idiot”. Furthermore he goes all CAPS to make sure we know he’s real serious now.

On a positive note I do love how this website purges morons like this, feeling better already with this guy moving along . . .



If 95% of the people are telling you that you are on the wrong side of an issue, then you are probably on the wrong side of an issue.


Hows that Nosler rifle turning out?


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard


I just looked at your post history. You came here to trade in the classifieds. I find it remarkable that you don't understand your responsibility as a shipper. You should have used reinforced tape. It cannot possibly break under the weight of the contents and is much more abrasion resistant. If you had used the correct tape to seal the box, then the post office would have a hard time denying a claim saying that it wasn't properly packaged.

Now you have ensured that your trading days here are over. I hope it was worth it to you.

As an aside, this is why I don't buy and sell in the classifieds. There are a lot of potential problems that I just don't want to deal with. What happens when the mail carrier delivers it 4 doors down and checks the delivered box? Who owns the loss there?


Won’t mean much but I’d vouch for you Paul.


I appreciate it, but given my luck, I don't recommend anyone ever conduct business with me.


Especially gun companies!

If I owned one, there would be a letter going out to every distributor, retailer, FFL in garages, etc saying "Under NO circumstances are you to sell that Barnard guy a firearm. Should you do so, do not let him take possession, just send it back immediately as we will have to fix something. His real name is Joe Bfstplk"


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In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by cfran
Originally Posted by Willicd76
I CANT STAND THE GANG MENTALITY THAT IS SO PREVALENT ON THE WWW THESE DAYS. IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED, EVERYONE OF YOU WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IF SOMEONE CANT UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE CONCEPT OF DECLINING INSURANCE COVERAGE BY THE BUYER, I CANT MAKE IT ANYMORE CLEAR. IVE ALREADY REQUESTED TO BE BANNED FROM THESE FORUMS. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING BUSINESS HERE IN THE FUTURE. IT WILL BE FACE TO FACE AND HAND TO HAND FROM NOW ON.


This reply cracked me up. Classic example of “I refuse to look in the mirror because I am the real idiot”. Furthermore he goes all CAPS to make sure we know he’s real serious now.

On a positive note I do love how this website purges morons like this, feeling better already with this guy moving along . . .



If 95% of the people are telling you that you are on the wrong side of an issue, then you are probably on the wrong side of an issue.


Hows that Nosler rifle turning out?





Got it sighted in. First 3 shot group after I got it dialed in went 1/2" I am happy.

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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard


I just looked at your post history. You came here to trade in the classifieds. I find it remarkable that you don't understand your responsibility as a shipper. You should have used reinforced tape. It cannot possibly break under the weight of the contents and is much more abrasion resistant. If you had used the correct tape to seal the box, then the post office would have a hard time denying a claim saying that it wasn't properly packaged.

Now you have ensured that your trading days here are over. I hope it was worth it to you.

As an aside, this is why I don't buy and sell in the classifieds. There are a lot of potential problems that I just don't want to deal with. What happens when the mail carrier delivers it 4 doors down and checks the delivered box? Who owns the loss there?


Won’t mean much but I’d vouch for you Paul.


I appreciate it, but given my luck, I don't recommend anyone ever conduct business with me.


Especially gun companies!

If I owned one, there would be a letter going out to every distributor, retailer, FFL in garages, etc saying "Under NO circumstances are you to sell that Barnard guy a firearm. Should you do so, do not let him take possession, just send it back immediately as we will have to fix something. His real name is Joe Bfstplk"



lolol. I am glad I can laugh at myself. If I couldn't, all this razzing I am taking might hurt my feeling.

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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by cfran
Originally Posted by Willicd76
I CANT STAND THE GANG MENTALITY THAT IS SO PREVALENT ON THE WWW THESE DAYS. IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED, EVERYONE OF YOU WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IF SOMEONE CANT UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE CONCEPT OF DECLINING INSURANCE COVERAGE BY THE BUYER, I CANT MAKE IT ANYMORE CLEAR. IVE ALREADY REQUESTED TO BE BANNED FROM THESE FORUMS. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING BUSINESS HERE IN THE FUTURE. IT WILL BE FACE TO FACE AND HAND TO HAND FROM NOW ON.


This reply cracked me up. Classic example of “I refuse to look in the mirror because I am the real idiot”. Furthermore he goes all CAPS to make sure we know he’s real serious now.

On a positive note I do love how this website purges morons like this, feeling better already with this guy moving along . . .



If 95% of the people are telling you that you are on the wrong side of an issue, then you are probably on the wrong side of an issue.


Hows that Nosler rifle turning out?





Got it sighted in. First 3 shot group after I got it dialed in went 1/2" I am happy.


Well....nothing like taking the senic route once in a while.


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And think of all the new friends you made at Nosler! I bet your Christmas card list doubled😂


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard



lolol. I am glad I can laugh at myself. If I couldn't, all this razzing I am taking might hurt my feeling.


Well, the "razzing" you're getting is nothing compared to that of someone else on this thread.

sheesh.


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lolol. I am glad I can laugh at myself. If I couldn't, all this razzing I am taking might hurt my feeling.


Well, the "razzing" you're getting is nothing compared to that of someone else on this thread.

sheesh.


Might call for a double sheesh.


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Originally Posted by MadMooner
Originally Posted by Valsdad
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lolol. I am glad I can laugh at myself. If I couldn't, all this razzing I am taking might hurt my feeling.


Well, the "razzing" you're getting is nothing compared to that of someone else on this thread.

sheesh.


Might call for a double sheesh.


I'm actually trying to be nice to EVERYONE nowadays.

I'm not very good at being nice though, never have been. I pray about it though, and I'm getting better.

I left of the "Hold into the........................"


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Originally Posted by Willicd76
I CANT STAND THE GANG MENTALITY THAT IS SO PREVALENT ON THE WWW THESE DAYS. IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED, EVERYONE OF YOU WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. IF SOMEONE CANT UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE CONCEPT OF DECLINING INSURANCE COVERAGE BY THE BUYER, I CANT MAKE IT ANYMORE CLEAR. IVE ALREADY REQUESTED TO BE BANNED FROM THESE FORUMS. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN DOING BUSINESS HERE IN THE FUTURE. IT WILL BE FACE TO FACE AND HAND TO HAND FROM NOW ON.

Nope that aint how it works skippy..
You gotta make a official swan song exit stage left thread.
Only way Bin is gonna approve your request to ban you man.

And it has to be up here on the gen forum not down in the classifieds.



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It was worth the $$ just to see that the fine people of the fire still have your back. By the way, the 24hourcampfire hog hunt last week was still a big hit even though the previously frozen hogs didn’t always cooperate. Kill count was way down from last years but Always great to get together with the best guys from around the country and drink good bourbon, smoke good cigars and shoot the [bleep]. Thanks to all here who posted. Much appreciated.

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Hello. I'll take 1000 of the 75 gr Speer Gold Dots. Just let me know how you prefer to be paid. I can do Paypal friends and family, venmo, or mail payment.

My shipping address and phone number are:

Joe Traylor

Thank you!

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Whatever is most convenient for you will work.
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Usps priority comes with $50 ins. If you want more, id have to get the rate.

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Thanks, Chuck. Payment sent.

Please let me know when you ship. Thank you.

Joe

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Bullets are sent.

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Thank you.

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Chuck,

Just got home from TX from the 24hour campfire hog hunt and your package is here and it’s empty. There are stickers all over it saying that it arrived at the post office here in OR and that the contents were empty. The perforated part of the box is completely torn open and did not appear to be taped shut. There is duct tape around the outside edge of the package but not going across it or end to end. Let me know how you would like to proceed.

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If you shoot me a cel number, I will txt you pictures of the package.

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The entire box was taped with 2 layers of packaging tape and duct tape around the outer edge.

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Doesn’t look like it - and you didn’t answer my question. How do you propose to resolve this. The sticker on the back that the post office put on it is under all of the clear tape. You can’t ship a 15 lb brick of bullets in an $8 small flat rate box unless you wrap the entire box in duct tape. This happened to me a year ago with $160 of bullets and I refunded the guys money immediately even though someone at the post office obviously took the bullets. What do you propose? I’d understand it being equal fault of the post office lost the package, but with it not being packaged well enough to get here without breaking open, that’s not my fault. Send me your cel and I’ll send you pics of the box.

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Dont tell me what i did and didnt do in packaging! I have sent many thousands of these out EXACTLY the same way and they were ALL wrapped with 2 layers of packaging tape and duct tape around the edge. Send me your paypal and ill refund the amount your package was insured for.

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Looks like you still have 3000 of these that you haven’t sold yet (that I’m sure you purchased very reasonably). Let me help you with a fair and honorable resolution since you didn’t propose one - ship me 500 of them, and package them extremely well and we will call it good. Fair?

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I already told you i would refund the amount of insurance you purchased. How, exactly, is that not "fair and honorable"???

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That’s not the answer I was expecting. Most people here have a very strong sense of honor and integrity. I did when this exact same thing happened to me. No questions, instant refund. I can see where the tape is and where it isn’t. It isn’t packaged well enough. You need to use duct tape all the way around with that cheap cardboard and heavy Bullets. I can let the entire fire judge it and show them your responses if you’d prefer. I would prefer not to do that. I’ve got a 100% stellar reputation here though for over a decade and would never screw anyone over $350. It’s not worth my integrity. I hope you will reconsider.

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Insurance is for lost packages. Not for stuff that the seller didn’t package well enough to arrive.

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YOU WERE OFFERED EXTRA INSURANCE FOR THIS VERY REASON AND YOU OPTED OUT. I packaged the bullets VERY securely and mailed them just as we agreed upon. If you feel the need to post it up, feel free. What you say at this point is heresy. I have no way of knowing what you may or may not have received.

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Originally Posted by Killertraylor
Insurance is for lost packages. Not for stuff that the seller didn’t package well enough to arrive.

Are you really that ignorant?

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I’ve offered more than once to send you pics and asked for your cel which you haven’t provided. I’ve got a lot of campfire friends in your area of the country and everywhere else. They won’t be happy about this and will be eager to help me out. I will give you until tomorrow to reconsider your position. Even being a lawyer I’m not quick to jump into ruining someone’s reputation publicly as I’d prefer to see them step up and do the right thing. Right now it looks like the reason you offer insurance is because you know how poorly you pack stuff. Small flat rate boxes are terrible for shipping heavy stuff. Even their $8 tyvek bubble wrap envelope is better. I’m a reasonable man until someone isn’t reasonable with me. I hope you will reconsider amd do the tight thing and we can just put this behind us. Have a good night.

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You, and all of your "friends", here, there, and everywhere, can kiss my ass. Do you think being an attorney makes you special, intimidating, or entitled to special treatment? Attorneys are nothing but inspiring politicians who didnt make the cut. If you truly are an attorney, you know how libel works. Being an ex-cop, i know this is a "civil" matter and you've been offered your legal recourse.

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I’m sorry to find out you have no integrity. Given a polite chance to reconsider, most do. Pretty obvious from the way you treat people on the fire. I gave you several chances to do the right thing. Looks like that’s just not something you are good at. $350 is more important to you. I get it. You need the $$. Price gouging is your specialty. You’ll never sell anything here ever again, I’m sure of that. My PayPal is beavergunsgmail.com (which you already know because you received $350 from me at that address). I’ll be letting them know you are accepting payments for gun related items so you might want to make that refund quick before they shut down your account. I’ll be following you around here for awhile and probably paying a visit when I’m down in TX again Axis hunting.

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PLEASE "pay me a visit"! NOTHING WOULD GIVE ME MORE PLEASURE.

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It’s your responsibility as a seller to make sure the buyer gets his package. If you think a USPS employee cut the package open then file a claim with them and see what happens. In the meantime either refund the sellers ENTIRE amount or ship him the bullets and wait to see what USPS will do for you. Also FYI even if you had paid the extra insurance USPS would deny your claim and make you jump through a million hoops. You need an original proof of purchase for said item to prove it was even in the box. Do you have that?
Also Killertraylor is a STAND UP member and I’ve bought and sold with him over the years.
Funny thing is as a buyer and seller I always strive to have a great history and would personally not let 1000 bullets ruin that.
Just noticed the picture of the box also. So you used regular clear tape not fiber reinforced to put 1000 bullets in a Small flat rate box. How well did that fit? Did you tape the contents of the bag to the inside of flat rate box for extra security?
I doubt you will respond but these are just some ideas that I use when mailing anything these days to ensure it’s safe arrival.

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What a dump LOL

$37 k

No wonder he’s keeping the funds.



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Thats 300 sq ft larger than my garage.
LOL!!!

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The Box



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None of you guys are thinking on your feet???

This is material to be used right here guys.

Holy fugg !!!

Surprised none of you picked up on this????




His name is Chuck and he dont give a F u c k !!!


You guys are slipping.....
LOL!!!

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